Meeting:Docs IRC log 20090114

Desktop/Fedora Meeting 14 Jan 2009

quaid	<meeting id="Docs team">	<a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a>
* quaid still hoping for zodbot meeting logging :)		<a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a>
Sparks	+1	<a href="#t14:02" class="time">14:02</a>
quaid	le roll call?	<a href="#t14:02" class="time">14:02</a>
* Sparks is present		<a href="#t14:02" class="time">14:02</a>
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<a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Wednesday.2C_14_January_2008">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Wednesday.2C_14_January_2008</a> FUDCon results
quaid	I'm here too	<a href="#t14:03" class="time">14:03</a>
* quaid makes a sound of crickets chirping		<a href="#t14:03" class="time">14:03</a>
quaid	ok then	<a href="#t14:04" class="time">14:04</a>
Sparks	Where is everyone?	<a href="#t14:04" class="time">14:04</a>
quaid	refering to <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_tasks_during_FUDConF11">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_tasks_during_FUDConF11</a>	<a href="#t14:04" class="time">14:04</a>
quaid	dunno	<a href="#t14:05" class="time">14:05</a>
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* laubersm here		<a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a>
quaid	since I just did the 'hit their nick thing' we can wait a moment	<a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a>
* quaid forgets how useful that is		<a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a>
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quaid	I regularly get saved in to a meeting because some kind soul hit my nick to remind me it was time :)	<a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a>
* ke4qqq is here		<a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a>
* jsmith stumbles in, but is on two phone calls at the moment, and won't be much use in the meeting		<a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a>
Sparks	jsmith: That's a neat trick	<a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a>
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fozzmoo	heh heh. The Asterisk guy is on 2 phone calls. har har.	<a href="#t14:07" class="time">14:07</a>
quaid	heh	<a href="#t14:07" class="time">14:07</a>
quaid	he needs an Asterisk Turing plugin	<a href="#t14:07" class="time">14:07</a>
jsmith	fozzmoo: It would be funnier if it weren't true :-(	<a href="#t14:07" class="time">14:07</a>
quaid	refering to <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_tasks_during_FUDConF11">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_tasks_during_FUDConF11</a>	<a href="#t14:07" class="time">14:07</a>
quaid	from a hackfest point of view, results were mixed	<a href="#t14:08" class="time">14:08</a>
* dbewley partially here		<a href="#t14:08" class="time">14:08</a>
quaid	* we didn't get the beats renamed	<a href="#t14:08" class="time">14:08</a>
quaid	* I should have known Paul wouldn't be available since he was /running the conference/ and I didn't do too much on process by myself	<a href="#t14:08" class="time">14:08</a>
quaid	* we still need pages renamed, but could have tho' didn't categorize the pages	<a href="#t14:08" class="time">14:08</a>
quaid	* jsmith was looking a bit on moving the needle on the IG conversion/how to convert to Publican stuff	<a href="#t14:09" class="time">14:09</a>
quaid	* we taught about the wiki	<a href="#t14:09" class="time">14:09</a>
quaid	* docbook was taught, yay	<a href="#t14:09" class="time">14:09</a>
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quaid	* probably a dozen people were positively influenced about the wiki, but we wanted the whole room to bow to our methods	<a href="#t14:09" class="time">14:09</a>
quaid	that's all I had	<a href="#t14:10" class="time">14:10</a>
ke4qqq	do we have owners for the various groups of pages?	<a href="#t14:10" class="time">14:10</a>
jsmith	quaid: FWIW, stickster and I took a stab at the Publican stuff, but ran into problems with stickster's XSL transform	<a href="#t14:10" class="time">14:10</a>
stickster	jsmith: I think I knocked most of those out	<a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a>
stickster	The newest tarball should hopefully work better	<a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a>
laubersm	I got nudged into taking lead on Packaging docs	<a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a>
jsmith	stickster: Cool... I'll give it a shot when I get a free minute	<a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a>
stickster	<a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_convert_to_from_fedora-docs-util_to_Publican">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_convert_to_from_fedora-docs-util_to_Publican</a>	<a href="#t14:11" class="time">14:11</a>
quaid	ke4qqq: we have owners or people working on all BUT the release notes	<a href="#t14:12" class="time">14:12</a>
quaid	laubersm++	<a href="#t14:12" class="time">14:12</a>
ke4qqq	wow laubersm!!!!	<a href="#t14:12" class="time">14:12</a>
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quaid	yeah, I think the Packaging Guide is a great fit -- laubersm has the skills to learn it on the job :), and it's probably the most impactful	<a href="#t14:13" class="time">14:13</a>
thing we can be working on, in terms of making Fedorans' lives better.
jsmith-busy	Amen!	<a href="#t14:13" class="time">14:13</a>
laubersm	I don't think the renaming and adding catagories will be hard... then we;ll go from there	<a href="#t14:13" class="time">14:13</a>
* quaid expects others will pitch in esp. as they see momentum		<a href="#t14:13" class="time">14:13</a>
quaid	laubersm: go ahead and talk too much about it on fedora-docs-list; ask lots of questions on fedora-wiki@lists.fp.org; etc.	<a href="#t14:14" class="time">14:14</a>
laubersm	will do	<a href="#t14:14" class="time">14:14</a>
ke4qqq	yeah I finished all of the Ambassador renaming during fudcon - I'd guess maybe an hour per 100 pages if you know the content.	<a href="#t14:15" class="time">14:15</a>
Sparks	+1	<a href="#t14:15" class="time">14:15</a>
quaid	ke4qqq: sweet, yeah, I saw the PSV file	<a href="#t14:16" class="time">14:16</a>
quaid	g / G_work is probably still asleep ...	<a href="#t14:16" class="time">14:16</a>
quaid	we maybe need to enable ianweller to use wikibot more or something.	<a href="#t14:17" class="time">14:17</a>
quaid	I'd like to see us push those naming changes through asap.	<a href="#t14:17" class="time">14:17</a>
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Sparks	quaid: How long does it take wikibot to do all the work?	<a href="#t14:18" class="time">14:18</a>
quaid	dunno, it should be pretty fast	<a href="#t14:18" class="time">14:18</a>
quaid	it's making changes in the database perhaps?	<a href="#t14:18" class="time">14:18</a>
quaid	yeah, I think so; it's not scraping and inputing via the usual web interface.	<a href="#t14:18" class="time">14:18</a>
Sparks	heck, give him the keys and let him go nuts	<a href="#t14:18" class="time">14:18</a>
quaid	+1	<a href="#t14:19" class="time">14:19</a>
quaid	so, we'll update the main task list from the fudcon did/didn't list when we get there	<a href="#t14:19" class="time">14:19</a>
Sparks	Can we create a new position?  Like Wiki Czar?	<a href="#t14:19" class="time">14:19</a>
ke4qqq	Sparks: isn't that ian?	<a href="#t14:19" class="time">14:19</a>
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Sparks	ke4qqq: My point exactly.  :)	<a href="#t14:19" class="time">14:19</a>
quaid	Sparks: basically, yes, I think we did that a while ago	<a href="#t14:19" class="time">14:19</a>
Sparks	quaid: Cool	<a href="#t14:20" class="time">14:20</a>
quaid	a few months, not sure if it was Czar, but I like that	<a href="#t14:20" class="time">14:20</a>
quaid	hope it wouldn't get any any czarists angry :)	<a href="#t14:20" class="time">14:20</a>
quaid	so, did everyone read my email on CMS to f-docs-l?	<a href="#t14:20" class="time">14:20</a>
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Sparks	I did.	<a href="#t14:21" class="time">14:21</a>
laubersm	I did	<a href="#t14:21" class="time">14:21</a>
* jsmith-busy read it, threw his hands in the air, and did nothing else		<a href="#t14:21" class="time">14:21</a>
ke4qqq	yes, and I am curious as to what response you have had.	<a href="#t14:21" class="time">14:21</a>
quaid	laubersm: cheat, you proofread it for me before I sent it!	<a href="#t14:21" class="time">14:21</a>
* laubersm laughs		<a href="#t14:21" class="time">14:21</a>
quaid	ke4qqq: I haven't looked outside of the list yet, but p'raps it's time to send to the other lists	<a href="#t14:21" class="time">14:21</a>
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* ke4qqq thought you already sent it to -devel		<a href="#t14:22" class="time">14:22</a>
quaid	nothing from the wider community; Max and Greg thought it was a good plan.	<a href="#t14:22" class="time">14:22</a>
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quaid	ke4qqq: oops, not yet	<a href="#t14:22" class="time">14:22</a>
quaid	why stall?  not sure ...	<a href="#t14:22" class="time">14:22</a>
Sparks	quaid: Is there a wiki page for the CMS discussion?	<a href="#t14:22" class="time">14:22</a>
quaid	Sparks: yeah ...	<a href="#t14:22" class="time">14:22</a>
quaid	<a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CMS_solution_for_Fedora_Project_websites">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CMS_solution_for_Fedora_Project_websites</a>	<a href="#t14:22" class="time">14:22</a>
* ke4qqq thinks we should send it to -devel and -art and maybe even just the fedora list		<a href="#t14:22" class="time">14:22</a>
laubersm	quaid: send it out	<a href="#t14:23" class="time">14:23</a>
quaid	ke4qqq: +1 ... hadn't thought about art though	<a href="#t14:23" class="time">14:23</a>
quaid	definitely -list and -devel-list	<a href="#t14:23" class="time">14:23</a>
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Sparks	quaid: We should build profiles on each option that has been proposed and show pros and cons.	<a href="#t14:25" class="time">14:25</a>
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quaid	Sparks: ah, see ...	<a href="#t14:26" class="time">14:26</a>
Sparks	quaid: Maybe we can narrow the list down based on specific things we have to have or can't live with.	<a href="#t14:26" class="time">14:26</a>
Sparks	quaid: Plus the ability of someone to maintain it upstream.	<a href="#t14:26" class="time">14:26</a>
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ke4qqq	the problem we identified at FUDcon is that virtually all of the options meet most if not all of the needs.	<a href="#t14:26" class="time">14:26</a>
Sparks	ke4qqq: That's the kind of problem I like!	<a href="#t14:26" class="time">14:26</a>
quaid	right, and the process of going beyond marketing materials	<a href="#t14:26" class="time">14:26</a>
quaid	is a huge vetting operation.	<a href="#t14:26" class="time">14:26</a>
quaid	Sparks: except then nothing stands out as a clear winner	<a href="#t14:27" class="time">14:27</a>
Sparks	quaid: True	<a href="#t14:27" class="time">14:27</a>
ke4qqq	and really, we are looking for owners.	<a href="#t14:27" class="time">14:27</a>
quaid	we also have the problem that anything we bring to Infrastructure is going to be new to them; they are already well taxed with other	<a href="#t14:27" class="time">14:27</a>
complexity, etc.
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quaid	ke4qqq: +1	<a href="#t14:27" class="time">14:27</a>
Sparks	So we would need a buy in from them as well.	<a href="#t14:28" class="time">14:28</a>
Sparks	We don't want something that is going to add so much work, etc.	<a href="#t14:28" class="time">14:28</a>
quaid	Sparks: that was the brainwave at FUDCon -- we aren't looking for a CMS as much as owners for a CMS, who are preferably passionate about it	<a href="#t14:28" class="time">14:28</a>
otherwise.
quaid	e.g. note Basil's response on list	<a href="#t14:28" class="time">14:28</a>
ke4qqq	Sparks: Mike & Co. seem pretty open to just about anything within reason.	<a href="#t14:28" class="time">14:28</a>
jsmith-busy	quaid: I talked to mmcgrath about that, and he didn't seem *that* concerned about bringing in a new CMS	<a href="#t14:28" class="time">14:28</a>
Sparks	Have we drawn a line in the sand to say "no more" than the seven on the list now?	<a href="#t14:29" class="time">14:29</a>
quaid	jsmith-busy: I know, but then I talked with Toshio ...	<a href="#t14:29" class="time">14:29</a>
ke4qqq	jsmith-busy: but on Sunday he did point out that the wiki migration was really successful because it had an owner (Ian)	<a href="#t14:29" class="time">14:29</a>
quaid	right, and the wiki is the reference model	<a href="#t14:30" class="time">14:30</a>
quaid	when we announced that we were going to move to a specific wiki solution, the person passionate about it showed up.	<a href="#t14:30" class="time">14:30</a>
jsmith-busy	Sparks: No, it may be premature to draw that line (as much as I hate to admit it)	<a href="#t14:30" class="time">14:30</a>
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Sparks	jsmith-busy: Well, that's a problem in itself.	<a href="#t14:30" class="time">14:30</a>
quaid	and if we just said "Drupal" that would probably happen, but then we had the thought ... why not just approach this through the	<a href="#t14:30" class="time">14:30</a>
passion/interest as a primary scope item.
Sparks	jsmith-busy: As you already know	<a href="#t14:30" class="time">14:30</a>
* danielsmw waves hello		<a href="#t14:30" class="time">14:30</a>
quaid	hey danielsmw	<a href="#t14:31" class="time">14:31</a>
* jsmith-busy has to run		<a href="#t14:31" class="time">14:31</a>
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quaid	we are catching up on CMS; ref. email sent to f-docs-l	<a href="#t14:31" class="time">14:31</a>
danielsmw	k	<a href="#t14:31" class="time">14:31</a>
quaid	<a href="http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-January/msg00077.html">http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-January/msg00077.html</a> for the IRC records :)	<a href="#t14:32" class="time">14:32</a>
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quaid	Sparks: one thing I appreciated about Basil's email was that he narrowed it to "PHP-based" but was willing to consider outside of his	<a href="#t14:33" class="time">14:33</a>
expertise; that leaves room for e.g. Joomla experts to show up and he can join that team.
quaid	hey harveybetty	<a href="#t14:33" class="time">14:33</a>
ke4qqq	right, but the MW decision was pushed based on the technical need.	<a href="#t14:33" class="time">14:33</a>
quaid	we are catching up on CMS; ref. email sent to f-docs-l	<a href="#t14:33" class="time">14:33</a>
harveybetty	Hi there - I was in the wrong channel	<a href="#t14:33" class="time">14:33</a>
quaid	ke4qqq: right, and we have no clear cms winner as we did for wiki	<a href="#t14:33" class="time">14:33</a>
quaid	plus that was some months of work on mmcgrath's part; he vetted the solutions, ran scripts, etc.	<a href="#t14:33" class="time">14:33</a>
quaid	the part of this that we could do but haven't nor really want to :)	<a href="#t14:33" class="time">14:33</a>
quaid	harveybetty: yeah, we got our meeting time secured; the other group moved to a different day	<a href="#t14:34" class="time">14:34</a>
harveybetty	Is there a list of CMS's that are being considered?	<a href="#t14:34" class="time">14:34</a>
danielsmw	harveybetty: this was the original page on the topic that lists some on the bottom:	<a href="#t14:35" class="time">14:35</a>
<a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CMS_solution_for_Fedora_Project_websites#Background">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CMS_solution_for_Fedora_Project_websites#Background</a>
danielsmw	although i don't know what's been discussed here	<a href="#t14:35" class="time">14:35</a>
quaid	we are talkinga bout	<a href="#t14:35" class="time">14:35</a>
quaid	the idea of having a team self-identify as being willing	<a href="#t14:36" class="time">14:36</a>
quaid	to deploy and maintain	<a href="#t14:36" class="time">14:36</a>
quaid	and they choose their own solution	<a href="#t14:36" class="time">14:36</a>
danielsmw	ooh.	<a href="#t14:36" class="time">14:36</a>
quaid	i.e., email to fedora-list gets some Drupal people interested	<a href="#t14:36" class="time">14:36</a>
quaid	so it's Drupal, they run it, and we work with them.	<a href="#t14:36" class="time">14:36</a>
quaid	otherwise we are in a deep rabbit hole looking at 100+ solutions that nearly all fit our needs, without any technical contributors to fix the	<a href="#t14:37" class="time">14:37</a>
gaps, and still nothing deployed with no one to deploy it :)
harveybetty	Drupal is a nice solution.  There is an XML module that fits nicely.  I have run into a problem when trying to install faceted search	<a href="#t14:38" class="time">14:38</a>
because the search doesn't understand XML and causes errors. I am investigating integrating SOLR as the search engine.
quaid	ok, so I'm sending email to f-devel-l and fedora-list and fedora-art-list	<a href="#t14:38" class="time">14:38</a>
quaid	harveybetty: honestly, considering how many Drupalheads I know of, I'd bet that one has a clear run for the lead; if you are interested in	<a href="#t14:39" class="time">14:39</a>
being part of a team that deploys/maintains, that is even better :)
quaid	we haven't heard of any DocBook module other than that one	<a href="#t14:39" class="time">14:39</a>
* quaid ready to move on to the next agenda item		<a href="#t14:39" class="time">14:39</a>
quaid	anything more here?	<a href="#t14:39" class="time">14:39</a>
ke4qqq	nothing - but I'd like to ask a bunch of questions of harveybetty at some point regarding drupal	<a href="#t14:40" class="time">14:40</a>
Sparks	ke4qqq: Maybe we should have a separate session after the meeting	<a href="#t14:40" class="time">14:40</a>
harveybetty	Be glad too.  It is a generic XML module and you can plug Docbook in.	<a href="#t14:40" class="time">14:40</a>
* danielsmw agrees		<a href="#t14:40" class="time">14:40</a>
Sparks	ke4qqq: I have questions as well	<a href="#t14:40" class="time">14:40</a>
quaid	ok, maybe on #fedora-docs, start anytime IMO	<a href="#t14:41" class="time">14:41</a>
harveybetty	I can be available later on #fedora-docs.	<a href="#t14:41" class="time">14:41</a>
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quaid	this remains our only un-led guide	<a href="#t14:41" class="time">14:41</a>
quaid	other than wider recruiting ...	<a href="#t14:42" class="time">14:42</a>
quaid	any other thoughts on that one?	<a href="#t14:42" class="time">14:42</a>
* quaid notes that it is in fact usually much easier on the writing and much harder on the wrangling of cats than other content		<a href="#t14:42" class="time">14:42</a>
Sparks	This is probably one of our biggest project that gets the most attention.	<a href="#t14:42" class="time">14:42</a>
quaid	yeah, I think it's unlikely we'll just drop it	<a href="#t14:43" class="time">14:43</a>
quaid	despite whatever stickster and I have said :)	<a href="#t14:43" class="time">14:43</a>
quaid	so it might be worth a wider recruiting effort?	<a href="#t14:44" class="time">14:44</a>
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stickster	quaid: How many wider recruiting efforts have we had at this point, do you think?	<a href="#t14:44" class="time">14:44</a>
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* ke4qqq wonders if laubersm can be nudged more?		<a href="#t14:44" class="time">14:44</a>
* Sparks warms up the pokers		<a href="#t14:44" class="time">14:44</a>
* laubersm runs fast		<a href="#t14:44" class="time">14:44</a>
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Sparks	laubersm: I'm sure you'll have support if you do take the project.	<a href="#t14:46" class="time">14:46</a>
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quaid	stickster: not that much outside of my occasional pleas via blogging	<a href="#t14:46" class="time">14:46</a>
Sparks	laubersm: Just need someone to "manage" its development.	<a href="#t14:46" class="time">14:46</a>
laubersm	sparks: I already have a project	<a href="#t14:46" class="time">14:46</a>
Sparks	:)	<a href="#t14:46" class="time">14:46</a>
ke4qqq	there's been the mailing list posts as well	<a href="#t14:46" class="time">14:46</a>
quaid	yeah, that's my concern, we don't want to overload those who are already taking on assignments	<a href="#t14:46" class="time">14:46</a>
quaid	stickster: but with one thing to recruit for, maybe that will help?	<a href="#t14:47" class="time">14:47</a>
ke4qqq	so here is my concern.....	<a href="#t14:47" class="time">14:47</a>
* quaid listens		<a href="#t14:47" class="time">14:47</a>
ke4qqq	you are essentially talking about taking a person from 0 - to responsible for what is arguably the most important document we produce at	<a href="#t14:47" class="time">14:47</a>
least in terms of # of readers.
quaid	ke4qqq: honestly, I'm going to be there all the way alongside	<a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a>
quaid	but that is a good point	<a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a>
Sparks	quaid: How long does it take to put all the changes in?	<a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a>
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quaid	Sparks: ideally one watches the wiki along the way and makes it easier	<a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a>
ke4qqq	that sounds scary......even though there is handholding available.	<a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a>
quaid	true	<a href="#t14:49" class="time">14:49</a>
quaid	maybe I could ask for "interns" to work directly with me for the release	<a href="#t14:50" class="time">14:50</a>
quaid	with the idea that one of them will step-up to lead for the F12 release.	<a href="#t14:50" class="time">14:50</a>
ke4qqq	why not target the beat writers for F10?	<a href="#t14:50" class="time">14:50</a>
ke4qqq	esp the non-new feature writers	<a href="#t14:51" class="time">14:51</a>
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quaid	ke4qqq: as in, direct asking if they want to lead?	<a href="#t14:51" class="time">14:51</a>
ke4qqq	yes	<a href="#t14:51" class="time">14:51</a>
quaid	that's not a bad idea in fact :)	<a href="#t14:52" class="time">14:52</a>
* quaid makes himself a list		<a href="#t14:52" class="time">14:52</a>
quaid	so ...	<a href="#t14:52" class="time">14:52</a>
ke4qqq	that's a 'promotion'....lol	<a href="#t14:52" class="time">14:52</a>
quaid	1. Ask existing beat writers from F10	<a href="#t14:52" class="time">14:52</a>
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quaid	2. If no bites, maybe recruit ass't editors who get promoted in the future.	<a href="#t14:52" class="time">14:52</a>
quaid	3. If no go there, decide if we are going to do the guide anyway or not	<a href="#t14:52" class="time">14:52</a>
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* ke4qqq thinks FESCo will fire us if we don't.....besides that gets more rave reviews.... - perhaps we drop another document and refocus on that.		<a href="#t14:53" class="time">14:53</a>
* ke4qqq shrugs		<a href="#t14:53" class="time">14:53</a>
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Sparks	I see the Docs Project working on two kinds of projects:	<a href="#t14:53" class="time">14:53</a>
Sparks	1) The projects we are passionate about	<a href="#t14:54" class="time">14:54</a>
Sparks	2) The projects that need to get done for Fedora	<a href="#t14:54" class="time">14:54</a>
quaid	well, one can self-volunteer for 2) but you can't really go asking for that too much.	<a href="#t14:54" class="time">14:54</a>
Sparks	While we all like doing the first type of projects we all need to do the second type.	<a href="#t14:54" class="time">14:54</a>
* ke4qqq doesn't see many projects that aren't #2, even if the reason for working on them are #1.		<a href="#t14:55" class="time">14:55</a>
Sparks	ke4qqq: true	<a href="#t14:56" class="time">14:56</a>
* ke4qqq can't get subjects and verbs to agree		<a href="#t14:56" class="time">14:56</a>
quaid	right, and the idea is to get #2 done via the #1 method	<a href="#t14:56" class="time">14:56</a>
quaid	then it's done better, with more fun, etc.	<a href="#t14:56" class="time">14:56</a>
ke4qqq	+1	<a href="#t14:56" class="time">14:56</a>
Sparks	+1	<a href="#t14:57" class="time">14:57</a>
laubersm	and if there is someone out there passionate about having release notes.....	<a href="#t14:57" class="time">14:57</a>
quaid	:D	<a href="#t14:57" class="time">14:57</a>
quaid	well, if we drop the work, they'll sure notice :)	<a href="#t14:57" class="time">14:57</a>
ke4qqq	there are lots of people passionate about having them....just not about writing them.	<a href="#t14:57" class="time">14:57</a>
quaid	is anyone available/interested in helping with the recruting for RN lead?	<a href="#t14:57" class="time">14:57</a>
* ke4qqq will work on recruiting a new RN lead		<a href="#t14:58" class="time">14:58</a>
quaid	ke4qqq: you're on!	<a href="#t14:58" class="time">14:58</a>
quaid	thx	<a href="#t14:58" class="time">14:58</a>
* quaid will update our tasks table with this stuff, too		<a href="#t14:58" class="time">14:58</a>
quaid	since we are near closing	<a href="#t14:59" class="time">14:59</a>
quaid	how about if we call this here and retire to #fedora-docs?	<a href="#t14:59" class="time">14:59</a>
ke4qqq	+1	<a href="#t14:59" class="time">14:59</a>
danielsmw	+1	<a href="#t14:59" class="time">14:59</a>
quaid	sweet	<a href="#t14:59" class="time">14:59</a>
* quaid closes in 5		<a href="#t14:59" class="time">14:59</a>
quaid	4	<a href="#t14:59" class="time">14:59</a>
quaid	3	<a href="#t14:59" class="time">14:59</a>
quaid	2	<a href="#t14:59" class="time">14:59</a>
quaid	1	<a href="#t14:59" class="time">14:59</a>
quaid	</meeting>	<a href="#t14:59" class="time">14:59</a>