Meeting:IRC Support SIG 2009-02-12

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nirik	who all is here for the irc support sig meeting?	Feb 12 09:31
Southern_Gentlem	+1	Feb 12 09:31
Southern_Gentlem	for a change	Feb 12 09:31
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*linuxguru is here		Feb 12 09:31
rjune	I'm here. but do I matter?	Feb 12 09:31
nirik	everybody matters. ;)	Feb 12 09:32
*nirik waits a bit for more folks.		Feb 12 09:32
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*vwbusguy rings a bell.		Feb 12 09:33
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McGiwer	hi	Feb 12 09:33
McGiwer	PawelSadowski	Feb 12 09:33
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nirik	ok, I guess we should get started. I don't have all that much on the agenda today...	Feb 12 09:34
---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG meeting - Classes		Feb 12 09:34
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nirik	we had some classes last weekend... hard to tell how good attendence was. ;)	Feb 12 09:34
nirik	always looking for folks to teach, the next set of classes is in march.	Feb 12 09:35
Southern_Gentlem	looking at my schedule i will look at possible june	Feb 12 09:35
nirik	anyone have any questions or comments on classes?	Feb 12 09:35
nirik	Southern_Gentlem: cool. :)	Feb 12 09:35
nirik	ok, moving along...	Feb 12 09:36
---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG meeting - State of the channel		Feb 12 09:36
Southern_Gentlem	possible a jigdo class or maybe a pyjigdo	Feb 12 09:36
nirik	how do folks think we are doing currently? better? worse? is there anything we can do to improve?	Feb 12 09:36
rjune	When are the classess chedule	Feb 12 09:37
Southern_Gentlem	all in all i think the channel is in fairly good shape	Feb 12 09:37
rjune	doh, sorry.	Feb 12 09:37
nirik	rjune: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom	Feb 12 09:37
linuxguru	have been few days since i came back and it seems to be going great. probably much better then when i left.	Feb 12 09:38
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nirik	I think it's been going much as it has for a while... not sure what to do to improve things anymore though. ;)	Feb 12 09:38
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nirik	linuxguru: just out of curiosity, why did you leave and why did you come back? anything related to the channel? or just outside time/other issues?	Feb 12 09:39
linuxguru	nirik, lack of internet and time actually.	Feb 12 09:39
inode0	nirik: no one has come to #rhel complaining in a long time - so I think things are better	Feb 12 09:39
nirik	ok, no worries. :) Welcome back.	Feb 12 09:39
nirik	inode0: did that used to happen?	Feb 12 09:40
inode0	yes	Feb 12 09:40
nirik	interesting. ok.	Feb 12 09:40
inode0	still happens from #centos	Feb 12 09:40
*nirik nods.		Feb 12 09:40
Southern_Gentlem	i am afraid that the IQ level in the channel has dropped again	Feb 12 09:40
Southern_Gentlem	which tells me we are getting new people	Feb 12 09:41
nirik	right now the best thing I can think of to improve things is get more folks who know things involved in helping... but thats always hard to do as everyone is busy.	Feb 12 09:41
nirik	I did notice a rise of 'I used $otherbrowndistro and am switching to fedora, how do I...' in the last few weeks. No idea what would have caused it though.	Feb 12 09:42
Southern_Gentlem	inode0, because they are running centos or EOL?	Feb 12 09:42
nirik	anyhow, any feedback or ideas on improving things are always welcome.	Feb 12 09:42
---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG meeting - Open Floor		Feb 12 09:44
nirik	anyone have anything else they would like to bring up?	Feb 12 09:44
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linuxguru	oh. is the ati binary driver issue resolved with f10?	Feb 12 09:45
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jwb	we don't know and can't do anything about it	Feb 12 09:45
Southern_Gentlem	Fedora Unity is looking for PPC testers for the new F10 re-spin	Feb 12 09:45
Southern_Gentlem	linuxguru, newer issue or just an issue	Feb 12 09:46
nirik	linuxguru: 'issue'?	Feb 12 09:46
Southern_Gentlem	i know that rpmfusion has kmod-fglrx for f10	Feb 12 09:46
*nirik might be able to reinstall his ppc box... as long as rawhide is installable so he can go back.		Feb 12 09:46
linuxguru	okay	Feb 12 09:47
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linuxguru	well it's a ati problem i know. might be that i didn't correctly phrased it	Feb 12 09:48
Southern_Gentlem	linuxguru, mobile 9800 i think may be flacky but thomasj would be the person to talk to	Feb 12 09:48
*Southern_Gentlem trys to stay out of ati and sound issues		Feb 12 09:48
linuxguru	and one more thing are the classes target for only beginners ?	Feb 12 09:49
nirik	linuxguru: no, they can be any level...	Feb 12 09:49
nirik	whatever people are willing to teach.	Feb 12 09:49
Southern_Gentlem	targeted at whatever level the instructor wants to set it at	Feb 12 09:49
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linuxguru	march 8 sounds a good date for me. semester exams end by that time.	Feb 12 09:50
linuxguru	i might be interested in taking a intermediate selinux class.	Feb 12 09:50
Southern_Gentlem	especially if there has been a beginners level i hope someone will do the next steps	Feb 12 09:50
linuxguru	when is the last date to register a class	Feb 12 09:50
Southern_Gentlem	to take the class you show up	Feb 12 09:50
nirik	taking? or teaching? :)	Feb 12 09:50
linuxguru	oh. teaching i mean.	Feb 12 09:51
nirik	for teaching it would be good to get it signed up at least a week before, so we have time to advertise the classes.	Feb 12 09:51
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nirik	I'd love to get the next classes table filled up sooner than that.	Feb 12 09:51
nirik	it's been hard to find teachers though. ;(	Feb 12 09:52
*herlo agrees		Feb 12 09:52
linuxguru	teaching is a hard job. i helped 3 people pass the selinux policy exam but it was very demanding	Feb 12 09:52
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nirik	classes are 1 hour, so you can't get too deep into a subject, unless you do a series or something.	Feb 12 09:53
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Southern_Gentlem	more series the better	Feb 12 09:53
nirik	although the classroom channel is open 24x7, so you could always schedule a longer class for some other time.	Feb 12 09:53
linuxguru	i think continuing from where herlo left will be a great idea.	Feb 12 09:53
vwbusguy	inode0, at least one person complains about #Fedora in #RHEL. But I don't think that person can be helped about that right now.	Feb 12 09:55
Southern_Gentlem	welcome thomasj	Feb 12 09:55
thomasj	Thanks	Feb 12 09:55
nirik	another suggestion I got the other day was to do a series on a project... start from design, coding, testing, packaging for fedora, reviewing, updating, etc.	Feb 12 09:55
*thomasj missed the meeting again.. sorry..		Feb 12 09:56
nirik	ie, from start to finish show how the entire process goes.	Feb 12 09:56
Southern_Gentlem	nirik i agree	Feb 12 09:56
Southern_Gentlem	thomasj, nope you made it	Feb 12 09:56
*nirik would love to see that, but it needs people to drive it forward. ;)		Feb 12 09:56
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thomasj	Southern_Gentlem, true, but late	Feb 12 09:56
vwbusguy	as far as EOL thing. I think it is a good policy so far to tell them to upgrade / offer assistance with upgrading / pointing them to CentOS and then if they keep pushing it send them to #Fedora-EOL. I think that has been working	Feb 12 09:56
linuxguru	nirik, you mean to practically starting a project	Feb 12 09:56
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linuxguru	say*	Feb 12 09:56
nirik	linuxguru: yes.	Feb 12 09:56
linuxguru	that will really be nice. but it involves so many things.	Feb 12 09:57
mj0vy	We should direct issues on generic topics like Grub/LVM/Filesystem to #fedora-eol if they are running EOL Fedora or take it on #fedora itself?	Feb 12 09:57
nirik	yeah, it would. It would be pretty cool though as a series of classes.	Feb 12 09:57
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nirik	mj0vy: you're welcome to help if you know the answer, but suggest they upgrade or go to eol if they need more help.	Feb 12 09:58
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vwbusguy	mj0vy, somethings that seem general are complicated by variances in old releases	Feb 12 09:58
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nirik	yeah, even things you think you know may well have been different in a very old release.	Feb 12 09:58
vwbusguy	I'm personally of the opinion that if someone wants to help them AND they are not distracting current version users, that it's not a problem in #Fedora	Feb 12 09:58
vwbusguy	it's also not a problem in #Fedora for them to be continuously advised to upgrade / migrate	Feb 12 09:59
linuxguru	i think its better that way yes. if traffic is low you can accommodate eol users in #fedora itself	Feb 12 09:59
nirik	right, which they will be. :) I'm happy to tell them to upgrade, and point them at eol. ;)	Feb 12 09:59
vwbusguy	ok, I have to go to an appointment	Feb 12 10:00
vwbusguy	later	Feb 12 10:00
nirik	have fun vwbusguy	Feb 12 10:00
*vwbusguy &		Feb 12 10:00
linuxguru	laterz vwbusguy	Feb 12 10:00
nirik	ok, anything further today? or shall we wrap up?	Feb 12 10:00
*linuxguru wishes everyone a very happy valentine day. enjoy		Feb 12 10:01
*nirik will close the meeting in a few if nothing else comes up.		Feb 12 10:01
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nirik	thanks for coming everyone.	Feb 12 10:02

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