Meeting:IRC Support SIG 2009-02-26

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nirik	who all is here for the irc support sig meeting?	Feb 26 09:30
*thomasj		Feb 26 09:30
*roguedaemon		Feb 26 09:30
*zcat		Feb 26 09:31
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*Sonar_Guy is here		Feb 26 09:31
*nirik waits another min for a few more folks, then we will get started.		Feb 26 09:32
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nirik	ok, lets go ahead I guess...	Feb 26 09:33
---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG meeting - Classroom		Feb 26 09:33
nirik	you've heard it before. ;) Need teachers for the next session... consider signing up or asking someone you know to.	Feb 26 09:34
nirik	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom is the page. :)	Feb 26 09:34
nirik	any questions on that? shall we move on?	Feb 26 09:35
Sonar_Guy	none here	Feb 26 09:35
---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG meeting - weekly stats		Feb 26 09:35
nirik	so Sonar_Guy has been running some weekly stats for us...	Feb 26 09:35
Sonar_Guy	http://theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html	Feb 26 09:36
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nirik	I think there's some good info here we can look at...	Feb 26 09:36
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nirik	first, 12 and 23 are the hours with the most activity. We could look at trying to get more folks around to help at those times.	Feb 26 09:37
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roguedaemon	i take it thats EST	Feb 26 09:38
nirik	secondly, the list of top links are interesting. I don't know how we could get users to see them easier without telling them though.	Feb 26 09:38
Sonar_Guy	roguedaemon: yes	Feb 26 09:38
nirik	That says that many folks are being pointed to the pulse faq... so thats good to know.	Feb 26 09:39
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zcat	Sonar_Guy, that's not a full 7 days, yet, right? you just enabled weekly?	Feb 26 09:40
nirik	also, over this time we only had flood kicks from fedbot... which is pretty amazing.	Feb 26 09:40
nirik	yeah, this isn't the full week.	Feb 26 09:40
Sonar_Guy	zcat not yet	Feb 26 09:40
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Southern_Gentlem	thomasj is busy from 0-7 ish	Feb 26 09:40
Sonar_Guy	zcat: this is actually only about 2 1/2 days, I did not get it configured till early tuesday	Feb 26 09:40
nirik	so we might have more info next week, but I think it could help us...	Feb 26 09:41
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zcat	anything to add about fenrus / _drj2?	Feb 26 09:41
nirik	he's a question answering fiend... but i just hope he doesn't burn out. ;)	Feb 26 09:42
Sonar_Guy	zcat: he rocks and never sleeps	Feb 26 09:42
nirik	anyone have anything more on the stats? or shall we look at them after a full week and see what we might want to adjust/change in the channel?	Feb 26 09:44
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daMaestro	we should disclose we are logging but not publishing	Feb 26 09:44
Southern_Gentlem	stabby-mc does a pretty good job as well	Feb 26 09:44
daMaestro	(not in the topic or anything.. but somewhere on the wiki)	Feb 26 09:44
Southern_Gentlem	no	Feb 26 09:45
roguedaemon	zcat: like what	Feb 26 09:45
nirik	daMaestro: we added it to the join message that the channel could be logged.	Feb 26 09:45
Southern_Gentlem	already stated that the channel is logged	Feb 26 09:45
daMaestro	nirik, k. i know it's common knowledge, but yeah	Feb 26 09:45
*nirik wonders if that has discouraged some of the trolling... it's been a quiet week.		Feb 26 09:45
Southern_Gentlem	seems to have	Feb 26 09:45
Southern_Gentlem	the idiots have seemed to have claimed down on the magic paste that kicks people	Feb 26 09:46
zcat	roguedaemon, ops, if more needed. channel hasn't really grown / got more rowdy though.	Feb 26 09:46
roguedaemon	well, we are at almost 500 and its not release time...	Feb 26 09:47
inode0	would you guys like to see how things look after a longer period?	Feb 26 09:47
roguedaemon	inode0: what do you mean	Feb 26 09:48
nirik	yeah, it's an ebb in the cycle... after alpha, before beta, etc.	Feb 26 09:48
nirik	inode0: we do have longer stats, but weekly seems to me to be a good indicator of current channel activity.	Feb 26 09:48
Southern_Gentlem	zcat you think the channel has gotten my rowdy?	Feb 26 09:48
Southern_Gentlem	more rowdy rather	Feb 26 09:49
roguedaemon	nirik: seems like 100 more than this time last year, not sure if i remember correctly or not though	Feb 26 09:49
zcat	Southern_Gentlem, nope	Feb 26 09:49
nirik	http://www.scrye.com/~kevin/fedora/fedora-20090219.html	Feb 26 09:49
Southern_Gentlem	i think it has claimed down alot	Feb 26 09:49
nirik	thats a year and a half or so.	Feb 26 09:49
inode0	nirik: I've been poking StabbyMc about IRC classroom too, which he is ideally suited for and he is very interested in helping out there.	Feb 26 09:49
roguedaemon	nirik: heh ive been quiet for a while and am still #3	Feb 26 09:50
*roguedaemon chuckles		Feb 26 09:50
nirik	inode0: yep. We are over in classroom now talking about it.	Feb 26 09:50
roguedaemon	oh you didnt combine gents	Feb 26 09:51
nirik	I guess monthly could be interesting as well.	Feb 26 09:51
nirik	yeah, not much config. I just ran it real quick the other day.	Feb 26 09:51
Southern_Gentlem	roguedaemon, i have stopped posting as much and i am still #1	Feb 26 09:51
roguedaemon	heheh	Feb 26 09:51
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nirik	ok, shall we move on and revisit the stats next week?	Feb 26 09:53
---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG meeting - status of the channel.		Feb 26 09:53
nirik	so, how are things going? Any ideas for improvement? any problems or questions this week?	Feb 26 09:53
zcat	All's well, IMO, 'cept for a Dosimal thorn in everybody's side :)	Feb 26 09:54
Southern_Gentlem	IMHO i think the channel is doing fine, things are very claim (which worries me a little bit)	Feb 26 09:54
zcat	and fnewton's renewed semi-anti-fedora ranting	Feb 26 09:54
*nirik tried to get a description of Dosimals issue last night with no paste that I can recall seeing. Oh well. All we can do is keep trying.		Feb 26 09:55
nirik	Southern_Gentlem: yeah, it's quiet alright.	Feb 26 09:55
---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG meeting - Open Floor		Feb 26 09:55
nirik	anything else? or shall we stick a fork in this meeting?	Feb 26 09:55
Southern_Gentlem	fork it	Feb 26 09:55
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nirik	ok. Keep up the good work everyone... thanks for coming.	Feb 26 09:56
---nirik has changed the topic to: Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting_channel for meeting schedule		Feb 26 09:57
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nirik	oh shoot. I just remembed another topic. Oh well, next week.	Feb 26 09:57
thomasj	we're still all here	Feb 26 09:57
roguedaemon	or mention it at least	Feb 26 09:57
thomasj	Well, i guess so :)	Feb 26 09:58
nirik	was going to mention #fedora-social... should there be any policing there at all, and if so what?	Feb 26 09:58
nirik	I guess we should ping ivazquez about it, since he started the channel...	Feb 26 09:58
roguedaemon	its pretty much troll proof	Feb 26 09:59
roguedaemon	one or 2 incidents	Feb 26 09:59
roguedaemon	nirik: what sort of policing	Feb 26 09:59
roguedaemon	like stopping my drunken ramblings? :)	Feb 26 10:00
nirik	well, I have been operating on the idea we should just leave it alone... anyone can do what they want there. There have been 2 incidents that I know of:	Feb 26 10:00
roguedaemon	i'm not op there so i cant kick myself	Feb 26 10:00
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nirik	1 was someone posting nasty illegal links (I don't remember if it was kiddie porn or warez or what)	Feb 26 10:00
roguedaemon	worse than X?	Feb 26 10:00
zcat	#fedora-social is anything goes, except for extreme douchebaggery, unending political rants, and flooding... imo	Feb 26 10:00
zcat	roguedaemon, yeah. has to be worse than X :)	Feb 26 10:01
roguedaemon	all X ever did was post dead bodies and fat chicks	Feb 26 10:01
nirik	another was the guy who was ranting about politics and religion to a vast extent, making the channel unusable for others.	Feb 26 10:01
roguedaemon	oh daemonxp	Feb 26 10:01
Sonar_Guy	zcat: and that would be how it is being run, only ban that has been set recently was on daemonXP	Feb 26 10:01
nirik	yeah.	Feb 26 10:01
zcat	ok	Feb 26 10:01
nirik	I would be inclined to say one of: a) no rules, any op can just kick/ban anyone if they feel they need to. or b) no rules, only illegal stuff or stuff that causes the channel to not be usable are grounds for kick/ban.	Feb 26 10:02
Sonar_Guy	nirik: what I typically do is leave it up to the people in the channel, if they want somebody removed for being disruptive they tell me.	Feb 26 10:02
nirik	but I guess we could just not worry about it.	Feb 26 10:02
nirik	Sonar_Guy: but thats kinda mob rule...	Feb 26 10:03
Sonar_Guy	maybe but it has worked this long	Feb 26 10:03
Sonar_Guy	only 4 people on the ban list in there	Feb 26 10:03
roguedaemon	if you listen to fools, the mob rules	Feb 26 10:03
che	if no one is offended there is no reason for action	Feb 26 10:03
Sonar_Guy	exactly	Feb 26 10:03
che	if people are offended one has to use common sense ;).	Feb 26 10:04
nirik	ok. I am also not sure how much that channel falls under our sig... but I guess we can just keep going as we are. ;)	Feb 26 10:04
nirik	anyhow, if people could mull over it, we can bring it up next time. ;)	Feb 26 10:05
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Southern_Gentlem	i have had someone come get me for an incident in social when i went in the room the person claimed down	Feb 26 10:08

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