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Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2008-01-07
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| -!- Irssi: #fedora-meeting: Total of 78 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 77 normal] | <a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a> | |
| poelcat | f13: meeting today? | <a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a> |
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| f13 | yeah | <a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a> |
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting | <a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a> | |
| f13 | ping notting jeremy jwb rdieter wwoods spot warren poelcat lmacken | <a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a> |
| jwb | yo | <a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a> |
| warren | yo | <a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a> |
| * lmacken | <a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a> | |
| * spot is heah. | <a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a> | |
| rdieter | word | <a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a> |
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - F9 Alpha! | <a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a> | |
| f13 | yeah, freeze for Alpha is 8 days away. | <a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a> |
| warren | yet another secondary arch? | <a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a> |
| notting | <klaxon starts sounding> | <a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a> |
| f13 | my plan for today is to do a compose across the arches and see what pops as unresolvable deps | <a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a> |
| f13 | those we'll want to focus on getting fixed | <a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a> |
| notting | jwb: are you doing the ppc composes? | <a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a> |
| spot | i'm going to do perl 5.10 soon. | <a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a> |
| warren | f13, should we kick maintainers into fixing F8 > F9 issues? | <a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a> |
| spot | soon as in, today or tomorrow | <a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a> |
| jwb | notting, i believe that was the plan | <a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a> |
| f13 | warren: if you'd like. | <a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a> |
| warren | f13, I'm still on vacation | <a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a> |
| notting | beyond unresolvable deps, do we have an idea as to what is completely hosed? | <a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a> |
| jwb | however i wouldn't be opposed if f13 did some | <a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a> |
| jwb | f13, do we have koji tags for this already? | <a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a> |
| f13 | no | <a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a> |
| f13 | we create the tag on Tuesday | <a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a> |
| notting | if we're not freezing, why do we need tags? | <a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a> |
| f13 | or more likely monday night. | <a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a> |
| jwb | so you're just composing rawhide? | <a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a> |
| f13 | notting: we need a tag to compose from. | <a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a> |
| f13 | notting: it's a non-blocking freeze, we're not blocking rawhide from moving on | <a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a> |
| f13 | we're just taking a snapshot of it and updating as releng sees fit to get the alpha out | <a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a> |
| f13 | jwb: until tuesday yes. | <a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a> |
| notting | is it on releng to find new things that fix stuff, or people to ping releng? | <a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a> |
| f13 | notting: installer is pretty hosed right now. url method dead, network on x86_64 dead (haven't tried ppc) | <a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a> |
| f13 | notting: both, and with QA involved. | <a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a> |
| jwb | video is dead | <a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a> |
| f13 | yeah, X is not starting well during install | <a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a> |
| notting | aside from that, how was the play. mrs. lincoln? | <a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a> |
| f13 | and logging into X is pretty dead from GDM | <a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a> |
| f13 | at least logging into gnome | <a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a> |
| spot | intel X is pretty much hosed up too | <a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a> |
| jwb | gdm as a whole is dead | <a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a> |
| spot | GL ops fail, and X won't restart cleanly | <a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a> |
| f13 | notting: so all in all we're in pretty good shape! | <a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a> |
| f13 | oh and we're missing a good chunk of firstboot due to things up in the air. | <a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a> |
| lmacken | ship it! | <a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a> |
| jwb | f13, your compose configs are where again? | <a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a> |
| jwb | pungi repo? | <a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a> |
| * jwb blames xmas for killing most of his braincells | <a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a> | |
| f13 | jwb: yes, pungi repo. | <a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a> |
| f13 | conversely the live image configs are in the live repo | <a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a> |
| jwb | aye | <a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a> |
| jwb | f13, were you planning on using the quad to do composes or no? | <a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a> |
| f13 | so it's going to be a fun alpha. | <a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a> |
| f13 | jwb: if I'm going to do any ppc testing, sure. | <a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a> |
| jwb | are you? | <a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a> |
| f13 | I wouldn't be opposed. | <a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a> |
| f13 | mostly I only have the ps3 left for ppc testing though | <a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a> |
| warren | wow | <a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a> |
| jwb | understood. if you make the isos available, i can give them to omar | <a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a> |
| f13 | yeah, I was hoping to upload isos in progress to koji.fp.o/releng/ | <a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a> |
| jwb | excellent. i'll also be doing some composes on my own, but you have about 2x the machine i do :) | <a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a> |
| f13 | heh | <a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a> |
| jwb | at least until i get my new one | <a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a> |
| f13 | Seth also has a new createrepo for me to try out | <a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a> |
| f13 | so I'll be throwing that at the compose process too and trying to turn up any weirdness, which my useage set usually does | <a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a> |
| skvidal | and it might be broken! :) | <a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a> |
| * skvidal goes back to lurking | <a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a> | |
| f13 | lmacken will be handling the live image creations | <a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a> |
| lmacken | indeed | <a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a> |
| jwb | lmacken, i assume you won't be doing ppc? | <a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a> |
| lmacken | jwb: correct.. unless we want to do them, and I get access to a machine to do them on | <a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a> |
| jwb | that largely won't be a loss, as they were ppc32 IIRC | <a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a> |
| f13 | lmacken: you could have access to the quad | <a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a> |
| jwb | lmacken, as for access... the quad or dwmw2 would gladly give you access :) | <a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a> |
| lmacken | cool, so if we want to spin them, I'd be happy to do so | <a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a> |
| f13 | the quad needs updating badly though. I should do that soon | <a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a> |
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - FUDCon | <a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a> | |
| f13 | I'll be at fudcon this weekend, willing to do either barcamp or hackfest stuff surrounding releng | <a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a> |
| f13 | I do want to have a bit of a hackfest to re-evaluate how we do rawhide and find some better ways of doing it | <a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a> |
| f13 | more robust, less hack-o-doom | <a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a> |
| f13 | also we have to really look at reversing the netapp stream and what that's going to mean for releng and associated groups like QA | <a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a> |
| jwb | something like debian experimental, debian unstable, and debian stable? | <a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a> |
| f13 | jwb: no no, just the methodology we use to compose rawhide | <a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a> |
| jwb | oh good | <a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a> |
| f13 | jwb: it's all kinds of whacky | <a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a> |
| notting | that's putting it mildly | <a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a> |
| f13 | but it "works" for now, which is why we haven't touched it much | <a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a> |
| notting | f13: although, is it really *that* different than how alpha/beta/final is composed, aside from being automated? | <a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a> |
| f13 | notting: there are some significant differences. | <a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a> |
| f13 | not that how we do the other composes is great mind you. | <a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a> |
| f13 | we really need koji run-root capability, but there are other things we can clean up in the mean time. | <a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a> |
| jwb | from an outsider, the largest complication is that it does it all internally to the builder network | <a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a> |
| warren | run-root meaning? | <a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a> |
| jwb | which, of course, is the speedy part | <a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a> |
| notting | warren: a way to run commands on another arch inside a mock-created chroot | <a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a> |
| f13 | warren: a koji process to run a specific command in a chroot created from a specific tag. | <a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a> |
| f13 | like say pungi | <a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a> |
| notting | because, wow, is pungify a horror | <a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a> |
| f13 | yes | <a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a> |
| f13 | notting: so perhaps we can sit down and clean up some of that this weekend. | <a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a> |
| f13 | you know, right before we freeze (: | <a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a> |
| notting | heh | <a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a> |
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Open Discussion | <a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a> | |
| f13 | Anything anybody would like to discuss? | <a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a> |
| jwb | how are we going to handle the alpha tagging? | <a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a> |
| jwb | send email to rel-eng saying "i tagged this"? | <a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a> |
| f13 | jwb: you mean releng people tagging things for the alpha? | <a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a> |
| jwb | yes | <a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a> |
| f13 | We should use hte same methodology we did for previous freezes | <a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a> |
| f13 | if we do one ourselves that's not externally requested IRC would likely work OK too | <a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a> |
| notting | subscribe rel-eng@fp.o to koji tag notifications :P | <a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a> |
| jwb | i don't foresee a large problem. just curious | <a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a> |
| f13 | notting: could do that. | <a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a> |
| f13 | at least for that tag | <a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a> |
| jwb | except it doesn't tell you why | <a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a> |
| f13 | right | <a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a> |
| f13 | anything else? | <a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a> |
| wwoods | yeep. back | <a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a> |
| * wwoods reads scrollback quickly | <a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a> | |
| f13 | wwoods: I'll wait. | <a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a> |
| wwoods | I don't think url installs are broken (I just did one, and other than the 'user' command in kickstart causing a traceback, it worked) | <a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a> |
| wwoods | 'course that means grubby didn't run, so it's not bootable... | <a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a> |
| wwoods | I'd really like to help straighten out the pungify / mash stuff. or at least help myself understand how we go from koji -> tree | <a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a> |
| wwoods | but yeah, I'll be going into Release Testing Mode soon | <a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a> |
| wwoods | and bothering people about bugs that screw up the alpha release | <a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a> |
| f13 | wwoods: in boot.iso installs a sigsegv is thrown. | <a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a> |
| f13 | wwoods: it's a newt issue, that is already fixed upstream. | <a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a> |
| f13 | (upstream anaconda that is) | <a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a> |
| wwoods | gotcha | <a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a> |
| wwoods | this was network (using already-existing grub) | <a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a> |
| wwoods | anyway, yeah. nothing amazingly important to say. standard "oh shit oh shit release time" drill | <a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a> |
| f13 | k | <a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a> |
| wwoods | I'll try to keep <a href="http://wwoods.fedoraproject.org/rawhide.html">http://wwoods.fedoraproject.org/rawhide.html</a> up to date | <a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a> |
| f13 | k | <a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a> |
| wwoods | hopefully some of the hackfest time can go towards making that actually dynamic and automatic | <a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a> |
| wwoods | that's all I got. | <a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a> |
| f13 | ok, if there's nothing else, ending in 30. | <a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a> |
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