BugZappers/Meetings/Minutes-2008-Oct-28

Bug Triage Meeting :: 2008-10-28

Attendees

• poelcat
• jds2001
• kulll
• jlaska
• quantumburnz

Important points

• Still no update from FEver owner--poelcat sent email
• triage priorities remain the same... http://tinyurl.com/6llac8
  • 605 untriaged bugs presently
• poelcat still needs to update BugZapper wiki page with "why triage is important"
• getting https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Fedora10 prepared
  • quantumburnz updated the page and took a shot at the queries--we need to double check them
  • whiteboard tag of noauto is not in use for any bug--we will not include it in our queries
  • bugs which package maintainers want to remain indefinitely in rawhide version should add keyword: FutureFeature
    • even if it is not an RFE this is okay

Meeting Time and Day

• With change to Day Light Savings Time meeting will still occur at 10:00 AM Eastern
• Adjust to new time of 15:00 UTC starting with next meeting on 2008-11-04

IRC Transcript

poelcat	good {morning,afternoon,evening}	07:02
poelcat	who is here?	07:02
* jds2001		07:03
kulll	elo	07:03
poelcat	jds2001: kulll hi	07:03
kulll	what's the agenda	07:04
poelcat	kulll: followup https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Meetings/Minutes-2008-Oct-21	07:04
poelcat	and whatever else people want to discuss	07:04
poelcat	kulll jds2001 anything you'd like to cover specifically?	07:05
* jds2001 sucks and joined the blocker review channel but didnt do anything :(		07:06
* jds2001 was working at $DAYJOB til about 9pm yesterday and the festivities had concluded :)		07:06
* jlaska alert		07:06
poelcat	jlaska: hi	07:07
poelcat	okay, i'll run through last week's followup and then we can go from there	07:07
poelcat	1) FEver... I emailed the owner to see what they decided to do	07:08
poelcat	and haven't heard back yet	07:08
poelcat	so no more news there	07:08
poelcat	2) triage priorities remain the same... http://tinyurl.com/6llac8	07:08
poelcat	keep reviewing NEW/incoming rawhide bugs to make sure we are identifying blockers	07:09
poelcat	any comments so far?	07:09
* jlaska sees 605 bugs found		07:09
poelcat	yes, they are there :)	07:12
* jds2001 should work on some, I've been slacking, working more on python-bugzilla and learning python :/		07:12
poelcat	it is about 130 bugs less than last week!	07:12
jds2001	great!	07:13
rsc	poelcat: oh, shall I open up a few new ones? ;)	07:14
* poelcat is running out of ideas for how to enage more people, etc.		07:14
poelcat	rsc: as long as you triage 5 for every one that you open ;-)	07:14
jlaska	poelcat: wow, you guys are on fire	07:16
* kulll wonders how many people who do the triage		07:17
jds2001	quantumburnz has been doing good :)	07:17
jds2001	i opened a bug against one of my packages a few months ago for an update and forgot to close it :)	07:17
poelcat	kulll: it is kind of hard to tell	07:18
jds2001	he found it and mentioned it was already fixed, complete with the relevant changelog :)	07:18
poelcat	on a related note... our next followup was 3) "why triage bugs"	07:18
* jds2001 wonders what angle to take at FUDCon in Jan.		07:19
poelcat	i was supposed to update the wiki after waiting for more feedback	07:19
poelcat	i accomplished the second part, but not the first :)	07:19
jds2001	lol	07:19
poelcat	any preferences on where to put the information?	07:19
jds2001	was there feedback?	07:19
poelcat	one comment to my blog	07:20
poelcat	two actually.. http://poelcat.wordpress.com/2008/10/20/why-bug-triage/#comments	07:20
poelcat	4) next topic was getting https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Fedora10 prepared	07:22
poelcat	quantumburnz updated the page and took a shot at the queries	07:22
poelcat	we need to verify the queries, wording, etc. by next week's meeting	07:22
poelcat	and then i'll file the tickets with RHT eng-ops	07:22
jds2001	cool, i didnt get email though	07:23
* jds2001 hates not being able to watch an entire namespace in MW		07:23
jds2001	ianweller_afk!!!!! :)	07:23
poelcat	quantumburnz also floated the idea of rebasing CLOSED rawhide bugs... which I'm not sure if we've considered before	07:24
jds2001	not a bad idea, but what's to be gained?	07:24
poelcat	it sounds messy/unecessary to me, but we can discuss it if people want to	07:24
jds2001	oh, we should probably loudly advertise the noauto option in the status whiteboard	07:25
poelcat	just the idea of being completely consistent with pegging rawhide bugs to their actual numerical value release	07:25
jds2001	that way we don't get flamefest (we still will, but we can say lookie here....)	07:26
poelcat	jds2001: would you be up for drafting another announce to fed-dev-ann ?	07:26
jds2001	sure thing!	07:26
poelcat	explaing that the rebase is coming on or around GA and how to opt out	07:26
poelcat	i'd prefer to focus on use of FutureFeature keyword for keeping things pegged to 'rawhide' version	07:27
jds2001	yep, me too.	07:27
* poelcat has already forgotten what 'noauto' was supposed to do		07:27
poelcat	i don't think it is documented anywhere either, though i could be wrong	07:28
jds2001	oh, i thought i saw it last week	07:28
* jds2001 could be seeing things again		07:29
poelcat	undocumented feature? :)	07:29
jds2001	nah, it's to opt out of the rebase	07:31
jds2001	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/HouseKeeping/TicketTemplate#Rawhide_Rebase	07:31
jds2001	i think some maintainers said that things that weren't really RFE's should remain in rawhide	07:32
poelcat	i guess i was leaning towards overloading meaning of FutureFeature instead of two different methods	07:33
poelcat	whiteboard vs. keyword	07:33
jds2001	yeah	07:37
jds2001	sorry, checking mail :)	07:37
poelcat	so 'noauto' is in our procedure, but i'm not sure where we tell people how/when to use it	07:38
jds2001	right	07:39
jds2001	we should either take it out, since we have other things to perform the same function	07:39
jds2001	or leave it and advertise it.	07:39
poelcat	i'd vote for taking it out	07:43
poelcat	unless we have specifically told people how/where to use it	07:43
* jds2001 looks		07:44
* jds2001 searched my gmail and finds no reference		07:45
kulll	elo quantumburnz	07:50
jds2001	poelcat: so the vote is to remove it?	07:51
poelcat	+1	07:51
jds2001	+1 here	07:51
poelcat	jds2001: i guess a last step would be a query to find any bugs that have it	07:52
* jds2001 is gonna bet 0		07:52
poelcat	anything else before we wrap-up?	07:53
jds2001	Zarro Boogs found.	07:53
quantumburnz	hey kulll, how's everyone doin?	07:53
poelcat	quantumburnz: hi	07:53
quantumburnz	i'm an hour late aren't i?	07:53
jds2001	yeah :)	07:54
poelcat	53 minutes ;-)	07:54
quantumburnz	bah. damn UTC time.	07:54
jds2001	10AM eastern :)	07:54
poelcat	one last question... should I keep sending reminders to f-t-l about our meetings or is that getting old/unecessary?	07:54
jds2001	well, reminders are sent about pretty much every other meeting :)	07:55
poelcat	"for a limited time" i'd be willing to send personalized reminders if it can help increase attendance :)	07:55
quantumburnz	i think it's a nice reminder	07:55
jds2001	btw, what are we gonna do about DST?	07:56
* jds2001 votes keeping it at 10AM :)		07:56
poelcat	so move to 13:00 UTC ?	07:57
jds2001	er, 15:00UTC	07:58
quantumburnz	1500UTC = 11AM EST?	07:58
ivazquez	11am EDT.	07:59
jds2001	10AM EST	08:00
poelcat	i'll figure out the correct UTC to continue to have our meeting at 10 AM eastern	08:02
poelcat	and include in next week's reminder	08:02
poelcat	does anyone want a personal reminder?	08:02
poelcat	otherwise I think that is all for today	08:02
quantumburnz	i'm gonna put a reminder for 10am eastern in my phone right now for next week ;)	08:03
poelcat	thanks everyone!	08:04

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