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Bug Triage Meeting :: 2008-10-28
Attendees
- poelcat
- jds2001
- kulll
- jlaska
- quantumburnz
Important points
- Still no update from FEver owner--poelcat sent email
- triage priorities remain the same... http://tinyurl.com/6llac8
- 605 untriaged bugs presently
- poelcat still needs to update BugZapper wiki page with "why triage is important"
- getting BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Fedora10 prepared
- quantumburnz updated the page and took a shot at the queries--we need to double check them
- whiteboard tag of noauto is not in use for any bug--we will not include it in our queries
- bugs which package maintainers want to remain indefinitely in rawhide version should add keyword: FutureFeature
- even if it is not an RFE this is okay
Meeting Time and Day
- With change to Day Light Savings Time meeting will still occur at 10:00 AM Eastern
- Adjust to new time of 15:00 UTC starting with next meeting on 2008-11-04
IRC Transcript
| poelcat | good {morning,afternoon,evening} | 07:02 |
|---|---|---|
| poelcat | who is here? | 07:02 |
| * jds2001 | 07:03 | |
| kulll | elo | 07:03 |
| poelcat | jds2001: kulll hi | 07:03 |
| kulll | what's the agenda | 07:04 |
| poelcat | kulll: followup BugZappers/Meetings/Minutes-2008-Oct-21 | 07:04 |
| poelcat | and whatever else people want to discuss | 07:04 |
| poelcat | kulll jds2001 anything you'd like to cover specifically? | 07:05 |
| * jds2001 sucks and joined the blocker review channel but didnt do anything :( | 07:06 | |
| * jds2001 was working at $DAYJOB til about 9pm yesterday and the festivities had concluded :) | 07:06 | |
| * jlaska alert | 07:06 | |
| poelcat | jlaska: hi | 07:07 |
| poelcat | okay, i'll run through last week's followup and then we can go from there | 07:07 |
| poelcat | 1) FEver... I emailed the owner to see what they decided to do | 07:08 |
| poelcat | and haven't heard back yet | 07:08 |
| poelcat | so no more news there | 07:08 |
| poelcat | 2) triage priorities remain the same... http://tinyurl.com/6llac8 | 07:08 |
| poelcat | keep reviewing NEW/incoming rawhide bugs to make sure we are identifying blockers | 07:09 |
| poelcat | any comments so far? | 07:09 |
| * jlaska sees 605 bugs found | 07:09 | |
| poelcat | yes, they are there :) | 07:12 |
| * jds2001 should work on some, I've been slacking, working more on python-bugzilla and learning python :/ | 07:12 | |
| poelcat | it is about 130 bugs less than last week! | 07:12 |
| jds2001 | great! | 07:13 |
| rsc | poelcat: oh, shall I open up a few new ones? ;) | 07:14 |
| * poelcat is running out of ideas for how to enage more people, etc. | 07:14 | |
| poelcat | rsc: as long as you triage 5 for every one that you open ;-) | 07:14 |
| jlaska | poelcat: wow, you guys are on fire | 07:16 |
| * kulll wonders how many people who do the triage | 07:17 | |
| jds2001 | quantumburnz has been doing good :) | 07:17 |
| jds2001 | i opened a bug against one of my packages a few months ago for an update and forgot to close it :) | 07:17 |
| poelcat | kulll: it is kind of hard to tell | 07:18 |
| jds2001 | he found it and mentioned it was already fixed, complete with the relevant changelog :) | 07:18 |
| poelcat | on a related note... our next followup was 3) "why triage bugs" | 07:18 |
| * jds2001 wonders what angle to take at FUDCon in Jan. | 07:19 | |
| poelcat | i was supposed to update the wiki after waiting for more feedback | 07:19 |
| poelcat | i accomplished the second part, but not the first :) | 07:19 |
| jds2001 | lol | 07:19 |
| poelcat | any preferences on where to put the information? | 07:19 |
| jds2001 | was there feedback? | 07:19 |
| poelcat | one comment to my blog | 07:20 |
| poelcat | two actually.. http://poelcat.wordpress.com/2008/10/20/why-bug-triage/#comments | 07:20 |
| poelcat | 4) next topic was getting BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Fedora10 prepared | 07:22 |
| poelcat | quantumburnz updated the page and took a shot at the queries | 07:22 |
| poelcat | we need to verify the queries, wording, etc. by next week's meeting | 07:22 |
| poelcat | and then i'll file the tickets with RHT eng-ops | 07:22 |
| jds2001 | cool, i didnt get email though | 07:23 |
| * jds2001 hates not being able to watch an entire namespace in MW | 07:23 | |
| jds2001 | ianweller_afk!!!!! :) | 07:23 |
| poelcat | quantumburnz also floated the idea of rebasing CLOSED rawhide bugs... which I'm not sure if we've considered before | 07:24 |
| jds2001 | not a bad idea, but what's to be gained? | 07:24 |
| poelcat | it sounds messy/unecessary to me, but we can discuss it if people want to | 07:24 |
| jds2001 | oh, we should probably loudly advertise the noauto option in the status whiteboard | 07:25 |
| poelcat | just the idea of being completely consistent with pegging rawhide bugs to their actual numerical value release | 07:25 |
| jds2001 | that way we don't get flamefest (we still will, but we can say lookie here....) | 07:26 |
| poelcat | jds2001: would you be up for drafting another announce to fed-dev-ann ? | 07:26 |
| jds2001 | sure thing! | 07:26 |
| poelcat | explaing that the rebase is coming on or around GA and how to opt out | 07:26 |
| poelcat | i'd prefer to focus on use of FutureFeature keyword for keeping things pegged to 'rawhide' version | 07:27 |
| jds2001 | yep, me too. | 07:27 |
| * poelcat has already forgotten what 'noauto' was supposed to do | 07:27 | |
| poelcat | i don't think it is documented anywhere either, though i could be wrong | 07:28 |
| jds2001 | oh, i thought i saw it last week | 07:28 |
| * jds2001 could be seeing things again | 07:29 | |
| poelcat | undocumented feature? :) | 07:29 |
| jds2001 | nah, it's to opt out of the rebase | 07:31 |
| jds2001 | BugZappers/HouseKeeping/TicketTemplate#Rawhide_Rebase | 07:31 |
| jds2001 | i think some maintainers said that things that weren't really RFE's should remain in rawhide | 07:32 |
| poelcat | i guess i was leaning towards overloading meaning of FutureFeature instead of two different methods | 07:33 |
| poelcat | whiteboard vs. keyword | 07:33 |
| jds2001 | yeah | 07:37 |
| jds2001 | sorry, checking mail :) | 07:37 |
| poelcat | so 'noauto' is in our procedure, but i'm not sure where we tell people how/when to use it | 07:38 |
| jds2001 | right | 07:39 |
| jds2001 | we should either take it out, since we have other things to perform the same function | 07:39 |
| jds2001 | or leave it and advertise it. | 07:39 |
| poelcat | i'd vote for taking it out | 07:43 |
| poelcat | unless we have specifically told people how/where to use it | 07:43 |
| * jds2001 looks | 07:44 | |
| * jds2001 searched my gmail and finds no reference | 07:45 | |
| kulll | elo quantumburnz | 07:50 |
| jds2001 | poelcat: so the vote is to remove it? | 07:51 |
| poelcat | +1 | 07:51 |
| jds2001 | +1 here | 07:51 |
| poelcat | jds2001: i guess a last step would be a query to find any bugs that have it | 07:52 |
| * jds2001 is gonna bet 0 | 07:52 | |
| poelcat | anything else before we wrap-up? | 07:53 |
| jds2001 | Zarro Boogs found. | 07:53 |
| quantumburnz | hey kulll, how's everyone doin? | 07:53 |
| poelcat | quantumburnz: hi | 07:53 |
| quantumburnz | i'm an hour late aren't i? | 07:53 |
| jds2001 | yeah :) | 07:54 |
| poelcat | 53 minutes ;-) | 07:54 |
| quantumburnz | bah. damn UTC time. | 07:54 |
| jds2001 | 10AM eastern :) | 07:54 |
| poelcat | one last question... should I keep sending reminders to f-t-l about our meetings or is that getting old/unecessary? | 07:54 |
| jds2001 | well, reminders are sent about pretty much every other meeting :) | 07:55 |
| poelcat | "for a limited time" i'd be willing to send personalized reminders if it can help increase attendance :) | 07:55 |
| quantumburnz | i think it's a nice reminder | 07:55 |
| jds2001 | btw, what are we gonna do about DST? | 07:56 |
| * jds2001 votes keeping it at 10AM :) | 07:56 | |
| poelcat | so move to 13:00 UTC ? | 07:57 |
| jds2001 | er, 15:00UTC | 07:58 |
| quantumburnz | 1500UTC = 11AM EST? | 07:58 |
| ivazquez | 11am EDT. | 07:59 |
| jds2001 | 10AM EST | 08:00 |
| poelcat | i'll figure out the correct UTC to continue to have our meeting at 10 AM eastern | 08:02 |
| poelcat | and include in next week's reminder | 08:02 |
| poelcat | does anyone want a personal reminder? | 08:02 |
| poelcat | otherwise I think that is all for today | 08:02 |
| quantumburnz | i'm gonna put a reminder for 10am eastern in my phone right now for next week ;) | 08:03 |
| poelcat | thanks everyone! | 08:04 |
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