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Fedora Classroom - Beginner's guide to getting involved - Paul Frields - Saturday, November 7, 2008
IRC Log of the Class
22:00 -!- nirik changed the topic of #fedora-classroom to: Fedora Classroom - Beginner's guide to getting involved with your teacher: stickster - See https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC/Classroom for more info 22:00 * kdn *hearing the class bell ring** 22:00 < fengshaun> kdn, LOL!!!! 22:00 < stickster> Hello everyone! 22:01 < fengshaun> stickster, hello!!! 22:01 < stickster> First, thanks to Jon Stanley, a hard man to follow 22:01 < Ineluctable> are logs going to be posted for every class? 22:01 < erinlea80> Hi Stickster! 22:01 < kdn> hi, stickster 22:01 < thomasj> hello stickster 22:01 <@nirik> Ineluctable: yes. 22:01 < mattia> hello stickster 22:01 < stickster> And thank you also to Kevin Fenzi for setting up the Fedora Classroom 22:01 < fengshaun> nirik, where? 22:01 < Ineluctable> nirik:ty 22:01 <@nirik> fengshaun: linked from the classroom page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC/Classroom 22:01 < stickster> and to the other instructors who are donating their time this weekend to help us all learn a little more about Fedora 22:01 < fengshaun> nirik, good, thanks 22:01 <@nirik> stickster: thanks. :) take it away. 22:02 < stickster> So for those who don't know me, I'm the Fedora Project Leader 22:02 < stickster> You probably know my predecessor Max Spevack 22:02 < stickster> I started at Red Hat in February 2008 as the FPL 22:02 < stickster> And I'm going to talk to you about how to get involved in Fedora. 22:02 < stickster> I want to encourage everyone to ask questions as we go 22:02 < stickster> Otherwise my typing hands are going to get very tired 22:02 < stickster> And you'll get very bored. 22:03 < stickster> The first question I want to talk about, which I'm sure a lot of people have, is "why?" 22:03 < stickster> Why should I get involved in Fedora? 22:04 < stickster> Well, let's step back to look at the bigger question, which is why to get involved in free software at all. 22:04 < stickster> How is it that free software is free anyway? 22:04 < Abd4llA> the community 22:04 < stickster> True, some of the work that goes into free software is produced by companies -- like Red Hat, the company I work for. They are, for example, the single biggest corporate contributor to the Linux kernel, which runs every Linux box out there 22:05 < stickster> Abd4llA: EXACTLY! Excellent answer 22:05 < stickster> Free software is free because ALL the work that goes into it is *donated*. 22:05 < stickster> And the *vast* majority of those donations don't come from companies at all 22:05 < stickster> They come from people who just love to help each other build and learn new things. 22:06 < stickster> Free software, just like any software endeavor, is not just about code. 22:06 < brunowolff> I like being able to fix stuff myself when needed. 22:06 < stickster> It's also about all the things that bring it to as many people as possible. 22:06 < stickster> brunowolff: Precisely! 22:06 < stickster> Isn't that a great pleasure of free software? 22:06 < erinlea80> are most contributions non-monetary in nature? 22:06 < fengshaun> brunowolff, +1 22:06 < stickster> You can do that because the code has been donated under a free license 22:07 < kdn> If you can't void the warranty, if you can't open it, you don;t own it. 22:07 < stickster> Someone took the precise step of making that code free, so you would be able to look at it and fix what you need to, to make it do what you want. 22:07 < brunowolff> That makes it easier and republishable, but binaries can get fixed when needed to, 22:07 < brunowolff> too, 22:07 < stickster> erinlea80: I think it's hard to say, but that's my suspicion, yes 22:07 < stickster> Most contributions *are* non-monetary 22:07 < stickster> They're more often -- I believe -- contributions of time, effort, and knowledge. 22:08 < erinlea80> :) 22:08 < stickster> You don't have to be well-heeled to do something good for your community or for people halfway around the world 22:08 < stickster> You just need to devote some time 22:08 < kdn> +1 22:08 < stickster> Free software is used all over the world by people you may never meet, but whose life you're making better by your investment of time and energy 22:09 < ricky> I've been wondering - can the idea of open source apply to patents as well, and is there any common license that is used to make patented ideas "open" ? 22:09 < stickster> Teseting and quality assurance, translation, documentation, marketing... 22:09 < stickster> *Testing 22:09 < ricky> Patents as in the ideas themselves, as opposed to the expression of the ideas (the code) 22:10 < jds2001> ricky: there are things like OIN, if that's what you mean. 22:10 < stickster> ricky: That's a good question, maybe outside the scope of getting involved, but generally patents can be granted in ways that open them up to the community 22:10 < stickster> jds2001: +1 22:10 < jds2001> and let's not forget about the Firestar settlement. 22:10 < ricky> Ah, cool 22:10 < stickster> OIN is the Open Invention Network: 22:10 < stickster> http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/ 22:10 < stickster> So where was I? 22:10 < stickster> OH yes 22:11 < stickster> Testing and quality assurance, translation, documentation, marketing... 22:11 < stickster> and many other efforts 22:11 < stickster> All these things go into making software of any kind 22:11 < stickster> And with free software, these are efforts the community can join 22:11 < stickster> (Of course, if you write code, that's great too!) ;-) 22:11 < fengshaun> stickster, question! 22:11 < stickster> The more donations there are, the faster that free software improves. 22:11 < stickster> fengshaun: Ask away! 22:11 < fengshaun> how much coding knowledge should you have? 22:12 < fengshaun> to contribute? 22:12 < VileGent> ! 22:12 < stickster> You don't need *any* coding knowledge for many of the things that Fedora needs 22:12 < jds2001> as much or as little as you like. 22:12 < jds2001> down to none. 22:12 < fengshaun> for the coding part, I mean! 22:12 < fengshaun> oh 22:12 < stickster> If you *can* code, there are additional ways you can contribute, but even complete non-coders can help 22:12 < stickster> fengshaun: Let me give you an example 22:12 < stickster> ME 22:12 < stickster> I am not a coder. 22:12 < stickster> I started out in 1997 as a Linux user 22:12 < VileGent> fengshaun, you can always help in #fedora as well 22:13 < stickster> Linux helped me advance operations in my office, because the code was open and auditable 22:13 < fengshaun> VileGent, yes, I try to do that as much as I can! 22:13 < stickster> When I found out the Fedora Project existed, and Red Hat had started a community Linux distribution project, I jumped at the chance 22:13 < stickster> I became a documentation writer, which was good for me because I was not an experienced software developer 22:14 < erinlea80> What attracted you to the Fedora Project vs. other distro. efforts? 22:14 < erinlea80> (besides a paid job at RedHat) 22:14 < stickster> erinlea80: The funny thing was, I got involved 5 years ago 22:14 < nuonguy> can I give another reason to get involved? 22:14 < stickster> erinlea80: And I never wanted a job at Red Hat 22:14 < jds2001> the paid job is a very recent thing. 22:14 < Abd4llA> erinlea80: good question 22:14 < erinlea80> ah okay. 22:14 < stickster> I did it because it was a way of giving back to a community that helped me build my career 22:14 < stickster> A career that had nothing to do with free software itself 22:15 < stickster> So I dived in to help 22:15 < stickster> And eventually one thing led to another 22:15 < stickster> working in Fedora Documentation became... 22:15 < stickster> working on the Fedora Docs Steering Committee... 22:15 < stickster> became... 22:15 < stickster> working as an inaugural member of the Fedora Board... 22:15 < stickster> became... 22:16 < stickster> getting a call from Max to see if I was interested in a job. 22:16 < stickster> And honestly, I didn't *need* this job, but it was too fascinating to pass up! 22:16 < stickster> And now I get to spend all day (and many nights) ;-) working with and talking to fine people like yourselves! 22:17 < stickster> erinlea80: There's another half to your question 22:17 < stickster> I got involved in Fedora because it was the first community distribution that had its roots in a long-standing commercial product 22:17 < stickster> I had used the commercial product for a long time so it was natural that I was interested in diving into building it 22:17 < erinlea80> That certainly makes sense. :) 22:18 < stickster> Debian was *obviously* there earlier 22:18 < stickster> But others like OpenSuSE and Ubuntu came about because Fedora blazed the trail of a partnership between commerce and community 22:19 * stickster pauses now to see if there are other questions he hasn't answered 22:19 * roguedaemon waves 22:19 < stickster> OK then 22:19 < stickster> moving on... 22:19 * thomasj waves back 22:19 < stickster> Now I've done a little rah-rah cheerleading, it's time to talk nuts and bolts a little. 22:20 < stickster> The first thing you need to get involved is a Fedora account 22:20 < Bugz> I'm interested a little in how to contribute to documentation, an overview of how the process works 22:20 < stickster> Bugz: Great question 22:20 < stickster> Bugz: And I'll get there in just a few minutes 22:21 < stickster> Docs, like all our other projects, requires a Fedora account 22:21 < stickster> Where do you get one? 22:21 < stickster> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts 22:21 < stickster> This used to be a really difficult process but fortunately it's all a couple mouse clicks away now 22:21 < Abd4llA> stickster: would a redhat account do ? 22:22 < stickster> We don't really treat @redhat.com substantially different from anyone else 22:22 < stickster> You'd still want a Fedora account 22:22 < ricky> (they're two different systems) 22:22 < stickster> ricky: +1, exactly 22:22 < Abd4llA> k 22:23 < stickster> What does a Fedora account get you? 22:23 < stickster> 1. A Fedora identity, which you can use for group access for more technical tasks, if that's where you want to get involved 22:23 < stickster> 2. A SSH account on fedorapeople.org, and 150 MB of shareable web space 22:24 * nirik also notes an openid you can use at sites that take openid too. 22:24 < stickster> 3. Other benefits like the possibility of an IRC cloak that makes you show up as (for example) "fedora/johnpublic" on IRC 22:24 < thomasj> fas.. ok 22:24 < domg472> do we still need a telephone to be able to register? 22:24 < stickster> 4. A Voice-over-IP account where you and fellow contributors can contact each other 22:25 < zless> stickster, oh? i thought you still need approval from 'spot' for that IRC cloak. 22:25 < stickster> zless: It's not automatic but there aren't any real entrance requirements; you just need to request one 22:25 < Ineluctable> are there free voip accounts? 22:25 < ivazquez> Not so much approval as much as he has to request it. 22:25 < stickster> domg472: You need a contact number, whether it's your own or someone who can get a hold of you 22:26 < domg472> i don own a telephone :/ 22:26 < jds2001> someone you know surely does. 22:26 < kdn> Could you elaborate on IRC cloaking? 22:26 < domg472> thanks for the answer 22:26 < stickster> domg472: If you have family with a telephone, that would suffice I believe 22:27 < stickster> This is a legal requirement since Fedora does have to adhere to US laws and regulations 22:27 < kdn> 'twasn't clear to me how to make the request .. 22:27 < stickster> Ineluctable: Yes, the VoIP account is free, but it does not allow outgoing calls 22:27 < stickster> So you can't use it for free long-distance, for example 22:27 < ivazquez> It doesn't have PSTN connectivity. 22:27 < stickster> But you can use it to receive calls and to contact other Fedora contributors who are signed onto the VoIP system. 22:27 < stickster> ivazquez: Actually it does, but only incoming. 22:27 < Ineluctable> stickster: can I contact other fedora members? 22:27 < ricky> kdn: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreenodeCloaks 22:28 < ivazquez> Fair enough. 22:28 < jds2001> yes, you can call me at 5102788 for example. 22:28 < stickster> Ineluctable: Yes, absolutely, if their phones are signed in. 22:28 < brunowolff> That's neat. Is there a directory? Can people use it to call you? 22:28 < kdn> tks, ricky 22:28 < stickster> Yes 22:29 < stickster> All right, so that's enough about the benefits 22:29 < stickster> But to keep our eyes on the prize: 22:29 < stickster> It's not all about what you get 22:29 < stickster> It's what you *give* 22:29 < stickster> Being a contributor is more than just being a proud user of free software 22:29 < stickster> Although I think that everyone here is probably the latter, too 22:29 < stickster> I know I am! 22:29 < stickster> What are some ways to get involved in contributing to Fedora? 22:30 < stickster> I'm going to talk about some of the groups in Fedora and what they do 22:30 < brunowolff> Filing bug reports 22:30 < stickster> brunowolff: +1, yes, QA and bug triage 22:30 < stickster> (which jds2001 spoke about so eloquently earlier) 22:30 < stickster> Anybody else have ideas? 22:30 < doddo> packaging 22:30 < brunowolff> Maintaining packages 22:30 < stickster> doddo: +1 22:30 < stickster> brunowolff: OK, you've had your limelight! :-D 22:31 < stickster> kidding! 22:31 < stickster> anyone else? 22:31 < brunowolff> In your intro you didn't mention artists. 22:31 < domg472> i am just helping people out on irc 22:31 < Sid> there's way more, translation, documentation, infrastructure 22:31 < stickster> What about translation? 22:31 < Ineluctable> distribution of media or anything else that brings members to the community? 22:31 < kdn> documenting? 22:31 < erinlea80> marketing and advocacy 22:31 < cga> hi all 22:31 < Abd4llA> What exactly is "Maintaining packages " ? 22:31 < stickster> Sid: +3 22:31 < stickster> Ineluctable: +1 22:31 < stickster> kdn: +1 22:31 < thomasj> hopefully, helper in #fedora as well 22:31 < stickster> erinlea80: +1 22:32 < stickster> thomasj: +1! 22:32 < stickster> What about helping with website maintenance? 22:32 < stickster> Web design? 22:32 < stickster> What about system administration and infrastructure tasks? 22:32 < stickster> All of these things allow you to get involved. 22:32 < neverho0d> local community support 22:32 < kanarip> Abd4llA, maybe i can answer that for you? 22:33 < zless> getting ISPs to stop using bastardized and/or EOL versions of Fedora? 22:33 < stickster> Abd4llA: kanarip: And I think ivazquez is doing a classroom session in ~30 minutes on that very subject 22:33 < zless> :) 22:33 < Ineluctable> how about host events that bring the community togther as well as non-members 22:33 < erinlea80> install fests. 22:33 < stickster> Ineluctable: Yes, Ambassadorial duties +1 22:33 < stickster> So let's talk a little about some of these groups. 22:33 < stickster> First, translation 22:33 < kanarip> Abd4llA, a package, as you know, gets updates to make sure bugs are fixed, security issues are closed, enhancements are incorporated 22:34 < kanarip> Abd4llA, somebody has to update those packages and make sure everything works on an installed system; that is practically what package maintainers do 22:34 < Abd4llA> gr8 22:35 < stickster> So... 22:35 < stickster> There are hundreds -- maybe *thousands* -- of people donating time to translate software and documentation 22:35 < stickster> We have a Translation (also called Localization or "L10n" for short) team 22:35 < stickster> that works on these issues 22:35 < stickster> and a dedicated site and project 22:36 < stickster> http://translate.fedoraproject.org/ 22:36 < stickster> There is also a wiki page devoted to the L10n team whre you can find information on joining 22:36 < stickster> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10n/Join 22:36 < stickster> All you need is a computer, some time and energy, and knowledge of US English and at least one other language 22:37 < fengshaun> darn, I have to go out! 22:37 < stickster> Translators work on the software in Fedora that is specific to Fedora (like system-config-* tools) 22:37 < fengshaun> sorry stickster, and see you everyone! 22:37 < jds2001> FergatROn: that's fine, the logs will be there :) 22:37 < stickster> and documentation like the release notes and installation guide 22:37 < stickster> our websites, and so on... 22:37 < LinuxCode> stickster, I hope you meant International English 22:38 < stickster> To make Fedora accessible to people all around the world 22:38 < fengshaun> jds2001, thanks! 22:38 < stickster> LinuxCode: Any English will probably do nicely ;-) 22:38 < Abd4llA> what if I'm a developer, I get to work only in the software specific to Fedora ? 22:38 < doddo> so how does it work IRL, for example the translation part, there must be some workflow, right? I meen you dont just start translating randomly? 22:39 < jds2001> Abd4llA: we would very much encourage you to work upstream as well. 22:39 < stickster> Abd4llA: Not at all, but if you want to work on non-Fedora specific software, you would probably want to get involved with the upstream community that provides that software 22:39 < stickster> doddo: That's right 22:39 < jds2001> and anything that you put in Fedora should be on a path to upstream. 22:39 < stickster> doddo: And the people at the L10n team, as well as a locale-specific team in your nation, can help you get started 22:40 < stickster> Obviously there's not time for me to tell everyone about how each specific team works 22:40 < stickster> (and I'd probably get the details wrong if I tried!) 22:40 < stickster> jds2001: +1 22:40 < stickster> jds2001 has pointed out a very important part of how Fedora contributions benefit the *entire* free software community 22:41 < stickster> Everything we do, everything we use, and everything we create in Fedora is 100% free and open source 22:41 < Discordian> Except the artwork etc? 22:41 < stickster> Discordian: No, actually, artwork is exactly the same 22:41 < Discordian> Ahhh ok 22:41 < stickster> 100% free and open source, and more than that, *created* with free and open tools 22:42 < Discordian> Yes I appreciate that 22:42 < jds2001> the only thing that you need permission for is the logo. 22:42 < stickster> So the Artwork team uses, for example, tools like GIMP and Inkscape 22:42 < jds2001> but that is very specifically not included in the artwork. 22:42 < ivazquez> Trademark law still applies. 22:42 < stickster> jds2001: Yes, that's right -- the Fedora logo is an official trademark 22:42 < Discordian> jds: thanks that's what I was thinking of 22:42 < kiakli> and rpmfusion-free is 100% free? 22:42 < stickster> Which is why we specifically *don't* put it in our artwork 22:42 < stickster> So that others can use it 22:42 < Discordian> inkscape is very cool 22:43 <@nirik> kiakli: they are not part of fedora. ;) Ask them what they mean by free there. 22:43 < stickster> So Discordian helped me get Artwork into the discussion 22:43 < stickster> How about documentation? 22:43 < stickster> Just about anyone can help with cleaning up wiki pages 22:43 < stickster> Or collecting information into helpful pages 22:44 < stickster> If you are willing to learn a few new skills, you can also work on some of our bigger documents 22:44 < stickster> like the Release Notes and the Installation Guide 22:44 < stickster> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join 22:44 < kdn> Supposing that I have a FAS account(I do), and supposing I want to contribute(I do), how can I play along? 22:44 < stickster> kdn: http://join.fedoraproject.org 22:44 < kdn> brb 22:45 < stickster> That URL will help you find a team that does things you might want to help do 22:45 < Discordian> I'd certainly like to help if I can 22:45 < zless> i suppose typical, example workflows would be helpful 22:45 < brunowolff> Do you have to be in the Doc group to edit random (not your own) wiki pages or is CLA good enough? 22:45 < stickster> brunowolff: Great question! 22:45 < domg472> i contribute to documents just by helping the writer, answering questions etc 22:45 < stickster> brunowolff: When you get a Fedora account, that is *all* you need to help on the wiki 22:45 < stickster> You sign into the wiki with the same user name and password. 22:46 < stickster> domg472: And you can extend that work into your local community with the Ambassadors program too 22:46 < domg472> good to know 22:46 < domg472> most of my work is on irc 22:46 < stickster> Ambassadors spend some of their free time talking to local individuals, groups, schools, businesses, government, etc. about Fedora 22:46 * erinlea80 would love to hear more about local community initiatives... 22:47 < stickster> Ambassadors also give Fedora a presence at trade shows in their areas 22:47 < stickster> To spread the word about Fedora and free software, and help answer questions in person 22:47 < stickster> erinlea80: You would probably be very interested in what our Ambassadors do, then 22:47 < stickster> They are really the bridge between Fedora and all the local communities in the world where free software can help make people's lives better 22:48 < stickster> I have a quesetion 22:48 < stickster> Actually, I have a *question* 22:48 < stickster> Are there any system administrators present (other than current Fedora principals)? 22:48 * erinlea80 raises her hand 22:48 < Discordian> I'm a sysadmin 22:48 < doddo> yeah I am too 22:48 < kdn> a-yup 22:48 < stickster> You might be interested in our Infrastructure team 22:48 < neverho0d> me too 22:48 < domg472> i adminstrate my system sure 22:48 < stickster> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure 22:49 < kiakli> +1 22:49 < stickster> In particular, sysadmins who run multiple systems for *other* people? 22:49 < domg472> not a pro here ;) 22:49 < Discordian> Yeah I might be more use packaging stuff 22:49 < Abd4llA> I amm 22:49 < stickster> Even if you only administer *your* system 22:49 < kdn> yep 22:49 < neverho0d> i am 22:49 < stickster> you can get involved in Fedora Infrastructure 22:49 < Discordian> I run stuff for other people 22:49 < erinlea80> I run multiple systems for a fortune 100 giant 22:49 < stickster> They maintain a world-class server backend that makes the whole Fedora Project run 22:50 < stickster> including technologies like virtualization, change management systems, automated backups, distributed source code management, and hosted projects 22:50 < stickster> We have equipment located around the world 22:50 < stickster> And a "follow-the-sun" team that keeps it all running smoothly 22:50 < Discordian> I tend to use CentOS for servers but it's all part of the family 22:51 < Discordian> Yeah I've done follow the sun with USA, JA and AU servers as well as UK 22:51 < Abd4llA> stickster: are there any "windows" servers :P 22:51 < stickster> It's a great place to learn about the methods they use for easy and scalable system administration 22:51 < stickster> Abd4llA: HA HA HA! 22:51 < stickster> :-) 22:52 < stickster> So I would recommend that if you have skill or interest in that, Infra is where it's at 22:52 < Discordian> Oh dear he said the W* word 22:52 < LinuxCode> lets flog him 22:52 < LinuxCode> ;-p 22:52 < LinuxCode> in a hypothetically sense 22:53 < stickster> Jon talked very eloquently already about bug triage, which is part of a larger quality assurance (QA) effort 22:53 < LinuxCode> stickster, does the infrastructure team run git etc.. and decide on whats run ? 22:53 < stickster> LinuxCode: I believe they use git for most of their source control tasks 22:54 < LinuxCode> or does the steering committee decide on what software they want run ? 22:54 < stickster> LinuxCode: They also provide CVS, SVN, bazaar, and Mercurial 22:54 < stickster> And there may be one more in there that I'm forgetting 22:54 < LinuxCode> interesting 22:54 < stickster> They provide those SCM's for other projects too 22:54 < Ineluctable> stickster: Just a thought but I think that the fedora-classroom should be add to http://fedoraproject.org/join-fedora page as an on going live training, or school enviroment type of thing. 22:54 < stickster> So each software project gets to choose its SCM 22:54 < jds2001> the main fedora repo uses CVS for specfiles. 22:55 < Discordian> maybe the other is RCS or perforce? 22:55 < jds2001> however, each hosted project is free to choose their SCM. 22:55 < stickster> Ineluctable: I'm absolutely sure that nirik will be doing that once we have settled into a routine and know that people like this as a continuing effort 22:55 < jds2001> Discordian: neither of those :) 22:55 < ivazquez> Within limits. 22:55 < ivazquez> svn, git, hg, bzr, mtn. 22:55 < stickster> mtn, that's the one. 22:55 < jds2001> ahh yes, mtn 22:55 < Discordian> ahhh ok 22:55 <@nirik> Ineluctable: yeah, we will be learning from these sessions and updating things. Thats a great idea. 22:55 < stickster> Thank you ivazquez 22:56 < stickster> There is also the Websites team, which is different from the Infrastructure team 22:56 < stickster> They work on design and implementation of our sites 22:56 < stickster> keeping everything looking good and showing helpful information on each main web page 22:56 < Discordian> I couldn't design my way out of a paper bag lol 22:56 < stickster> It's the intersection of usability, design, and Web programming 22:57 < stickster> Another group I don't want to forget is the Fedora News team 22:57 < stickster> They provide a weekly newsletter that lets everyone know what's been going on in Fedora 22:57 < stickster> Being on the Fedora News team couldn't be simpler 22:57 < brunowolff> They are pretty go about that. There was a bodhi update that required javascript for something to work so I filed a complaint and 22:57 * kdn noting that the lecture hall now has > 80 members. Good! 22:57 < stickster> You just have to be able to summarize discussions and events in one specific area of Fedora (like, for example, the Websites team) for publishing in the Fedora Weekly News 22:58 < brunowolff> a couple of hours later there was a new bodhi release with a fix. I was stunned. 22:58 < brunowolff> I think Luke did that. 22:58 < stickster> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN 22:58 < stickster> brunowolff: I'm constantly amazed at how much a volunteer team can get done 22:58 < stickster> We do have some leadership from paid Red Hat employees in specific cases 22:58 < Ineluctable> nirik: Awesome I am a beginer at linux and fedora but I do enjoy learning and maby one day teaching. I am going to set up an fas account so I can contribute, please let me know how I can help with the fedora-classroom project, 22:59 < stickster> But a *lot* of the work is done by contributors around the world 22:59 < stickster> Wow, my time is nearly up here 22:59 < stickster> I hope this has been a helpful introduciton 22:59 <@nirik> Ineluctable: excellent. Feel free to find me after the sessions are over. 22:59 < stickster> I would like to give a challenge to everyone watching -- 22:59 < stickster> Get involved! 22:59 < Discordian> Thank you stickster 22:59 < stickster> You can make a difference in the lives of MILLIONS of people 22:59 <@nirik> thanks stickster ! 22:59 < erinlea80> thank you stickster! 22:59 < domg472> thanks 22:59 < Bugz> thank you stickster 22:59 * stickster waves at everyone and thanks nirik again for the opportunity