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Fedora Classroom - Beginner's guide to getting involved - Paul Frields - Saturday, November 8, 2008
IRC Log of the Class
| -!- nirik changed the topic of #fedora-classroom to: Fedora Classroom - Beginner's guide to getting involved with your teacher: stickster - See Communicate/IRC/Classroom for more info | 22:00 | |
| * kdn *hearing the class bell ring** | 22:00 | |
| fengshaun | kdn, LOL!!!! | 22:00 |
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| stickster | Hello everyone! | 22:00 |
| fengshaun | stickster, hello!!! | 22:01 |
| stickster | First, thanks to Jon Stanley, a hard man to follow | 22:01 |
| Ineluctable | are logs going to be posted for every class? | 22:01 |
| erinlea80 | Hi Stickster! | 22:01 |
| kdn | hi, stickster | 22:01 |
| thomasj | hello stickster | 22:01 |
| @nirik | Ineluctable: yes. | 22:01 |
| mattia | hello stickster | 22:01 |
| stickster | And thank you also to Kevin Fenzi for setting up the Fedora Classroom | 22:01 |
| fengshaun | nirik, where? | 22:01 |
| Ineluctable | nirik:ty | 22:01 |
| @nirik | fengshaun: linked from the classroom page: Communicate/IRC/Classroom | 22:01 |
| stickster | and to the other instructors who are donating their time this weekend to help us all learn a little more about Fedora | 22:01 |
| fengshaun | nirik, good, thanks | 22:01 |
| @nirik | stickster: thanks. :) take it away. | 22:01 |
| stickster | So for those who don't know me, I'm the Fedora Project Leader | 22:02 |
| stickster | You probably know my predecessor Max Spevack | 22:02 |
| stickster | I started at Red Hat in February 2008 as the FPL | 22:02 |
| stickster | And I'm going to talk to you about how to get involved in Fedora. | 22:02 |
| stickster | I want to encourage everyone to ask questions as we go | 22:02 |
| stickster | Otherwise my typing hands are going to get very tired | 22:02 |
| stickster | And you'll get very bored. | 22:02 |
| stickster | The first question I want to talk about, which I'm sure a lot of people have, is "why?" | 22:03 |
| stickster | Why should I get involved in Fedora? | 22:03 |
| stickster | Well, let's step back to look at the bigger question, which is why to get involved in free software at all. | 22:04 |
| stickster | How is it that free software is free anyway? | 22:04 |
| Abd4llA | the community | 22:04 |
| stickster | True, some of the work that goes into free software is produced by companies -- like Red Hat, the company I work for. | 22:04 |
| They are, for example, the single biggest corporate contributor to the Linux kernel, which runs every Linux box out there | ||
| stickster | Abd4llA: EXACTLY! Excellent answer | 22:05 |
| stickster | Free software is free because ALL the work that goes into it is *donated*. | 22:05 |
| stickster | And the *vast* majority of those donations don't come from companies at all | 22:05 |
| stickster | They come from people who just love to help each other build and learn new things. | 22:05 |
| stickster | Free software, just like any software endeavor, is not just about code. | 22:06 |
| brunowolff | I like being able to fix stuff myself when needed. | 22:06 |
| stickster | It's also about all the things that bring it to as many people as possible. | 22:06 |
| stickster | brunowolff: Precisely! | 22:06 |
| stickster | Isn't that a great pleasure of free software? | 22:06 |
| erinlea80 | are most contributions non-monetary in nature? | 22:06 |
| fengshaun | brunowolff, +1 | 22:06 |
| stickster | You can do that because the code has been donated under a free license | 22:06 |
| kdn | If you can't void the warranty, if you can't open it, you don;t own it. | 22:07 |
| stickster | Someone took the precise step of making that code free, so you would be able to look at it and fix what you need to, | 22:07 |
| to make it do what you want. | ||
| brunowolff | That makes it easier and republishable, but binaries can get fixed when needed to, | 22:07 |
| brunowolff | too, | 22:07 |
| stickster | erinlea80: I think it's hard to say, but that's my suspicion, yes | 22:07 |
| stickster | Most contributions *are* non-monetary | 22:07 |
| stickster | They're more often -- I believe -- contributions of time, effort, and knowledge. | 22:07 |
| erinlea80 | :) | 22:08 |
| stickster | You don't have to be well-heeled to do something good for your community or for people halfway around the world | 22:08 |
| stickster | You just need to devote some time | 22:08 |
| kdn | +1 | 22:08 |
| stickster | Free software is used all over the world by people you may never meet, but whose life you're making better by your | 22:08 |
| investment of time and energy | ||
| ricky | I've been wondering - can the idea of open source apply to patents as well, and is there any common license that is used | 22:09 |
| to make patented ideas "open" ? | ||
| stickster | Teseting and quality assurance, translation, documentation, marketing... | 22:09 |
| stickster | *Testing | 22:09 |
| ricky | Patents as in the ideas themselves, as opposed to the expression of the ideas (the code) | 22:09 |
| jds2001 | ricky: there are things like OIN, if that's what you mean. | 22:10 |
| stickster | ricky: That's a good question, maybe outside the scope of getting involved, but generally patents can be granted in | 22:10 |
| ways that open them up to the community | ||
| stickster | jds2001: +1 | 22:10 |
| jds2001 | and let's not forget about the Firestar settlement. | 22:10 |
| ricky | Ah, cool | 22:10 |
| stickster | OIN is the Open Invention Network: | 22:10 |
| stickster | http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/ | 22:10 |
| stickster | So where was I? | 22:10 |
| stickster | OH yes | 22:10 |
| stickster | Testing and quality assurance, translation, documentation, marketing... | 22:11 |
| stickster | and many other efforts | 22:11 |
| stickster | All these things go into making software of any kind | 22:11 |
| stickster | And with free software, these are efforts the community can join | 22:11 |
| stickster | (Of course, if you write code, that's great too!) ;-) | 22:11 |
| fengshaun | stickster, question! | 22:11 |
| stickster | The more donations there are, the faster that free software improves. | 22:11 |
| stickster | fengshaun: Ask away! | 22:11 |
| fengshaun | how much coding knowledge should you have? | 22:11 |
| fengshaun | to contribute? | 22:12 |
| VileGent | ! | 22:12 |
| stickster | You don't need *any* coding knowledge for many of the things that Fedora needs | 22:12 |
| jds2001 | as much or as little as you like. | 22:12 |
| jds2001 | down to none. | 22:12 |
| fengshaun | for the coding part, I mean! | 22:12 |
| fengshaun | oh | 22:12 |
| stickster | If you *can* code, there are additional ways you can contribute, but even complete non-coders can help | 22:12 |
| stickster | fengshaun: Let me give you an example | 22:12 |
| stickster | ME | 22:12 |
| stickster | I am not a coder. | 22:12 |
| stickster | I started out in 1997 as a Linux user | 22:12 |
| VileGent | fengshaun, you can always help in #fedora as well | 22:12 |
| stickster | Linux helped me advance operations in my office, because the code was open and auditable | 22:13 |
| fengshaun | VileGent, yes, I try to do that as much as I can! | 22:13 |
| stickster | When I found out the Fedora Project existed, and Red Hat had started a community Linux distribution project, | 22:13 |
| I jumped at the chance | ||
| stickster | I became a documentation writer, which was good for me because I was not an experienced software developer | 22:13 |
| erinlea80 | What attracted you to the Fedora Project vs. other distro. efforts? | 22:14 |
| erinlea80 | (besides a paid job at RedHat) | 22:14 |
| stickster | erinlea80: The funny thing was, I got involved 5 years ago | 22:14 |
| nuonguy | can I give another reason to get involved? | 22:14 |
| stickster | erinlea80: And I never wanted a job at Red Hat | 22:14 |
| jds2001 | the paid job is a very recent thing. | 22:14 |
| Abd4llA | erinlea80: good question | 22:14 |
| erinlea80 | ah okay. | 22:14 |
| stickster | I did it because it was a way of giving back to a community that helped me build my career | 22:14 |
| stickster | A career that had nothing to do with free software itself | 22:14 |
| stickster | So I dived in to help | 22:15 |
| stickster | And eventually one thing led to another | 22:15 |
| stickster | working in Fedora Documentation became... | 22:15 |
| stickster | working on the Fedora Docs Steering Committee... | 22:15 |
| stickster | became... | 22:15 |
| stickster | working as an inaugural member of the Fedora Board... | 22:15 |
| stickster | became... | 22:15 |
| stickster | getting a call from Max to see if I was interested in a job. | 22:16 |
| stickster | And honestly, I didn't *need* this job, but it was too fascinating to pass up! | 22:16 |
| stickster | And now I get to spend all day (and many nights) ;-) working with and talking to fine people like yourselves! | 22:16 |
| stickster | erinlea80: There's another half to your question | 22:17 |
| stickster | I got involved in Fedora because it was the first community distribution that had its roots in a long-standing commercial product | 22:17 |
| stickster | I had used the commercial product for a long time so it was natural that I was interested in diving into building it | 22:17 |
| erinlea80 | That certainly makes sense. :) | 22:17 |
| stickster | Debian was *obviously* there earlier | 22:18 |
| stickster | But others like OpenSuSE and Ubuntu came about because Fedora blazed the trail of a partnership between commerce and community | 22:18 |
| * stickster pauses now to see if there are other questions he hasn't answered | 22:19 | |
| * roguedaemon waves | 22:19 | |
| stickster | OK then | 22:19 |
| stickster | moving on... | 22:19 |
| * thomasj waves back | 22:19 | |
| stickster | Now I've done a little rah-rah cheerleading, it's time to talk nuts and bolts a little. | 22:19 |
| stickster | The first thing you need to get involved is a Fedora account | 22:20 |
| Bugz | I'm interested a little in how to contribute to documentation, an overview of how the process works | 22:20 |
| stickster | Bugz: Great question | 22:20 |
| stickster | Bugz: And I'll get there in just a few minutes | 22:20 |
| stickster | Docs, like all our other projects, requires a Fedora account | 22:21 |
| stickster | Where do you get one? | 22:21 |
| stickster | https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts | 22:21 |
| stickster | This used to be a really difficult process but fortunately it's all a couple mouse clicks away now | 22:21 |
| Abd4llA | stickster: would a redhat account do ? | 22:21 |
| stickster | We don't really treat @redhat.com substantially different from anyone else | 22:22 |
| stickster | You'd still want a Fedora account | 22:22 |
| ricky | (they're two different systems) | 22:22 |
| stickster | ricky: +1, exactly | 22:22 |
| Abd4llA | k | 22:22 |
| stickster | What does a Fedora account get you? | 22:23 |
| stickster | 1. A Fedora identity, which you can use for group access for more technical tasks, if that's where you want to get involved | 22:23 |
| stickster | 2. A SSH account on fedorapeople.org, and 150 MB of shareable web space | 22:23 |
| * nirik also notes an openid you can use at sites that take openid too. | 22:24 | |
| stickster | 3. Other benefits like the possibility of an IRC cloak that makes you show up as (for example) "fedora/johnpublic" on IRC | 22:24 |
| thomasj | fas.. ok | 22:24 |
| domg472 | do we still need a telephone to be able to register? | 22:24 |
| stickster | 4. A Voice-over-IP account where you and fellow contributors can contact each other | 22:24 |
| zless | stickster, oh? i thought you still need approval from 'spot' for that IRC cloak. | 22:25 |
| stickster | zless: It's not automatic but there aren't any real entrance requirements; you just need to request one | 22:25 |
| Ineluctable | are there free voip accounts? | 22:25 |
| ivazquez | Not so much approval as much as he has to request it. | 22:25 |
| stickster | domg472: You need a contact number, whether it's your own or someone who can get a hold of you | 22:25 |
| domg472 | i don own a telephone :/ | 22:26 |
| jds2001 | someone you know surely does. | 22:26 |
| kdn | Could you elaborate on IRC cloaking? | 22:26 |
| domg472 | thanks for the answer | 22:26 |
| stickster | domg472: If you have family with a telephone, that would suffice I believe | 22:26 |
| stickster | This is a legal requirement since Fedora does have to adhere to US laws and regulations | 22:27 |
| kdn | 'twasn't clear to me how to make the request .. | 22:27 |
| stickster | Ineluctable: Yes, the VoIP account is free, but it does not allow outgoing calls | 22:27 |
| stickster | So you can't use it for free long-distance, for example | 22:27 |
| ivazquez | It doesn't have PSTN connectivity. | 22:27 |
| stickster | But you can use it to receive calls and to contact other Fedora contributors who are signed onto the VoIP system. | 22:27 |
| stickster | ivazquez: Actually it does, but only incoming. | 22:27 |
| Ineluctable | stickster: can I contact other fedora members? | 22:27 |
| ricky | kdn: FreenodeCloaks | 22:27 |
| ivazquez | Fair enough. | 22:28 |
| jds2001 | yes, you can call me at 5102788 for example. | 22:28 |
| stickster | Ineluctable: Yes, absolutely, if their phones are signed in. | 22:28 |
| brunowolff | That's neat. Is there a directory? Can people use it to call you? | 22:28 |
| kdn | tks, ricky | 22:28 |
| stickster | Yes | 22:28 |
| stickster | All right, so that's enough about the benefits | 22:29 |
| stickster | But to keep our eyes on the prize: | 22:29 |
| stickster | It's not all about what you get | 22:29 |
| stickster | It's what you *give* | 22:29 |
| stickster | Being a contributor is more than just being a proud user of free software | 22:29 |
| stickster | Although I think that everyone here is probably the latter, too | 22:29 |
| stickster | I know I am! | 22:29 |
| stickster | What are some ways to get involved in contributing to Fedora? | 22:29 |
| stickster | I'm going to talk about some of the groups in Fedora and what they do | 22:30 |
| brunowolff | Filing bug reports | 22:30 |
| stickster | brunowolff: +1, yes, QA and bug triage | 22:30 |
| stickster | (which jds2001 spoke about so eloquently earlier) | 22:30 |
| stickster | Anybody else have ideas? | 22:30 |
| doddo | packaging | 22:30 |
| brunowolff | Maintaining packages | 22:30 |
| stickster | doddo: +1 | 22:30 |
| stickster | brunowolff: OK, you've had your limelight! :-D | 22:30 |
| stickster | kidding! | 22:31 |
| stickster | anyone else? | 22:31 |
| brunowolff | In your intro you didn't mention artists. | 22:31 |
| domg472 | i am just helping people out on irc | 22:31 |
| Sid | there's way more, translation, documentation, infrastructure | 22:31 |
| stickster | What about translation? | 22:31 |
| Ineluctable | distribution of media or anything else that brings members to the community? | 22:31 |
| kdn | documenting? | 22:31 |
| erinlea80 | marketing and advocacy | 22:31 |
| cga | hi all | 22:31 |
| Abd4llA | What exactly is "Maintaining packages " ? | 22:31 |
| stickster | Sid: +3 | 22:31 |
| stickster | Ineluctable: +1 | 22:31 |
| stickster | kdn: +1 | 22:31 |
| thomasj | hopefully, helper in #fedora as well | 22:31 |
| stickster | erinlea80: +1 | 22:31 |
| stickster | thomasj: +1! | 22:32 |
| stickster | What about helping with website maintenance? | 22:32 |
| stickster | Web design? | 22:32 |
| stickster | What about system administration and infrastructure tasks? | 22:32 |
| stickster | All of these things allow you to get involved. | 22:32 |
| neverho0d | local community support | 22:32 |
| kanarip | Abd4llA, maybe i can answer that for you? | 22:32 |
| zless | getting ISPs to stop using bastardized and/or EOL versions of Fedora? | 22:33 |
| stickster | Abd4llA: kanarip: And I think ivazquez is doing a classroom session in ~30 minutes on that very subject | 22:33 |
| zless | :) | 22:33 |
| Ineluctable | how about host events that bring the community togther as well as non-members | 22:33 |
| erinlea80 | install fests. | 22:33 |
| stickster | Ineluctable: Yes, Ambassadorial duties +1 | 22:33 |
| stickster | So let's talk a little about some of these groups. | 22:33 |
| stickster | First, translation | 22:33 |
| kanarip | Abd4llA, a package, as you know, gets updates to make sure bugs are fixed, security issues are closed, | 22:33 |
| enhancements are incorporated | ||
| kanarip | Abd4llA, somebody has to update those packages and make sure everything works on an installed system; that is | 22:34 |
| practically what package maintainers do | ||
| Abd4llA | gr8 | 22:34 |
| stickster | So... | 22:35 |
| stickster | There are hundreds -- maybe *thousands* -- of people donating time to translate software and documentation | 22:35 |
| stickster | We have a Translation (also called Localization or "L10n" for short) team | 22:35 |
| stickster | that works on these issues | 22:35 |
| stickster | and a dedicated site and project | 22:35 |
| stickster | http://translate.fedoraproject.org/ | 22:36 |
| stickster | There is also a wiki page devoted to the L10n team whre you can find information on joining | 22:36 |
| stickster | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10n/Join | 22:36 |
| stickster | All you need is a computer, some time and energy, and knowledge of US English and at least one other language | 22:36 |
| fengshaun | darn, I have to go out! | 22:37 |
| stickster | Translators work on the software in Fedora that is specific to Fedora (like system-config-* tools) | 22:37 |
| fengshaun | sorry stickster, and see you everyone! | 22:37 |
| jds2001 | FergatROn: that's fine, the logs will be there :) | 22:37 |
| stickster | and documentation like the release notes and installation guide | 22:37 |
| stickster | our websites, and so on... | 22:37 |
| LinuxCode | stickster, I hope you meant International English | 22:37 |
| stickster | To make Fedora accessible to people all around the world | 22:38 |
| fengshaun | jds2001, thanks! | 22:38 |
| stickster | LinuxCode: Any English will probably do nicely ;-) | 22:38 |
| Abd4llA | what if I'm a developer, I get to work only in the software specific to Fedora ? | 22:38 |
| doddo | so how does it work IRL, for example the translation part, there must be some workflow, right? I meen you dont | 22:38 |
| just start translating randomly? | ||
| jds2001 | Abd4llA: we would very much encourage you to work upstream as well. | 22:39 |
| stickster | Abd4llA: Not at all, but if you want to work on non-Fedora specific software, you would probably want to get | 22:39 |
| involved with the upstream community that provides that software | ||
| stickster | doddo: That's right | 22:39 |
| jds2001 | and anything that you put in Fedora should be on a path to upstream. | 22:39 |
| stickster | doddo: And the people at the L10n team, as well as a locale-specific team in your nation, can help you get started | 22:39 |
| stickster | Obviously there's not time for me to tell everyone about how each specific team works | 22:40 |
| stickster | (and I'd probably get the details wrong if I tried!) | 22:40 |
| stickster | jds2001: +1 | 22:40 |
| stickster | jds2001 has pointed out a very important part of how Fedora contributions benefit the *entire* free software community | 22:40 |
| stickster | Everything we do, everything we use, and everything we create in Fedora is 100% free and open source | 22:41 |
| Discordian | Except the artwork etc? | 22:41 |
| stickster | Discordian: No, actually, artwork is exactly the same | 22:41 |
| Discordian | Ahhh ok | 22:41 |
| stickster | 100% free and open source, and more than that, *created* with free and open tools | 22:41 |
| Discordian | Yes I appreciate that | 22:42 |
| jds2001 | the only thing that you need permission for is the logo. | 22:42 |
| stickster | So the Artwork team uses, for example, tools like GIMP and Inkscape | 22:42 |
| jds2001 | but that is very specifically not included in the artwork. | 22:42 |
| ivazquez | Trademark law still applies. | 22:42 |
| stickster | jds2001: Yes, that's right -- the Fedora logo is an official trademark | 22:42 |
| Discordian | jds: thanks that's what I was thinking of | 22:42 |
| kiakli | and rpmfusion-free is 100% free? | 22:42 |
| stickster | Which is why we specifically *don't* put it in our artwork | 22:42 |
| stickster | So that others can use it | 22:42 |
| Discordian | inkscape is very cool | 22:42 |
| @nirik | kiakli: they are not part of fedora. ;) Ask them what they mean by free there. | 22:43 |
| stickster | So Discordian helped me get Artwork into the discussion | 22:43 |
| stickster | How about documentation? | 22:43 |
| stickster | Just about anyone can help with cleaning up wiki pages | 22:43 |
| stickster | Or collecting information into helpful pages | 22:43 |
| stickster | If you are willing to learn a few new skills, you can also work on some of our bigger documents | 22:44 |
| stickster | like the Release Notes and the Installation Guide | 22:44 |
| stickster | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join | 22:44 |
| kdn | Supposing that I have a FAS account(I do), and supposing I want to contribute(I do), how can I play along? | 22:44 |
| stickster | kdn: http://join.fedoraproject.org | 22:44 |
| kdn | brb | 22:44 |
| stickster | That URL will help you find a team that does things you might want to help do | 22:45 |
| Discordian | I'd certainly like to help if I can | 22:45 |
| zless | i suppose typical, example workflows would be helpful | 22:45 |
| brunowolff | Do you have to be in the Doc group to edit random (not your own) wiki pages or is CLA good enough? | 22:45 |
| stickster | brunowolff: Great question! | 22:45 |
| domg472 | i contribute to documents just by helping the writer, answering questions etc | 22:45 |
| stickster | brunowolff: When you get a Fedora account, that is *all* you need to help on the wiki | 22:45 |
| stickster | You sign into the wiki with the same user name and password. | 22:45 |
| stickster | domg472: And you can extend that work into your local community with the Ambassadors program too | 22:46 |
| domg472 | good to know | 22:46 |
| domg472 | most of my work is on irc | 22:46 |
| stickster | Ambassadors spend some of their free time talking to local individuals, groups, schools, businesses, government, etc. | 22:46 |
| about Fedora | ||
| * erinlea80 would love to hear more about local community initiatives... | 22:46 | |
| stickster | Ambassadors also give Fedora a presence at trade shows in their areas | 22:47 |
| stickster | To spread the word about Fedora and free software, and help answer questions in person | 22:47 |
| stickster | erinlea80: You would probably be very interested in what our Ambassadors do, then | 22:47 |
| stickster | They are really the bridge between Fedora and all the local communities in the world where free software can help make | 22:47 |
| people's lives better | ||
| stickster | I have a quesetion | 22:48 |
| stickster | Actually, I have a *question* | 22:48 |
| stickster | Are there any system administrators present (other than current Fedora principals)? | 22:48 |
| * erinlea80 raises her hand | 22:48 | |
| Discordian | I'm a sysadmin | 22:48 |
| doddo | yeah I am too | 22:48 |
| kdn | a-yup | 22:48 |
| stickster | You might be interested in our Infrastructure team | 22:48 |
| neverho0d | me too | 22:48 |
| domg472 | i adminstrate my system sure | 22:48 |
| stickster | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure | 22:48 |
| kiakli | +1 | 22:49 |
| stickster | In particular, sysadmins who run multiple systems for *other* people? | 22:49 |
| domg472 | not a pro here ;) | 22:49 |
| Discordian | Yeah I might be more use packaging stuff | 22:49 |
| Abd4llA | I amm | 22:49 |
| stickster | Even if you only administer *your* system | 22:49 |
| kdn | yep | 22:49 |
| neverho0d | i am | 22:49 |
| stickster | you can get involved in Fedora Infrastructure | 22:49 |
| Discordian | I run stuff for other people | 22:49 |
| erinlea80 | I run multiple systems for a fortune 100 giant | 22:49 |
| stickster | They maintain a world-class server backend that makes the whole Fedora Project run | 22:49 |
| stickster | including technologies like virtualization, change management systems, automated backups, distributed source | 22:50 |
| code management, and hosted projects | ||
| stickster | We have equipment located around the world | 22:50 |
| stickster | And a "follow-the-sun" team that keeps it all running smoothly | 22:50 |
| Discordian | I tend to use CentOS for servers but it's all part of the family | 22:50 |
| Discordian | Yeah I've done follow the sun with USA, JA and AU servers as well as UK | 22:51 |
| Abd4llA | stickster: are there any "windows" servers :P | 22:51 |
| stickster | It's a great place to learn about the methods they use for easy and scalable system administration | 22:51 |
| stickster | Abd4llA: HA HA HA! | 22:51 |
| stickster | :-) | 22:51 |
| stickster | So I would recommend that if you have skill or interest in that, Infra is where it's at | 22:52 |
| Discordian | Oh dear he said the W* word | 22:52 |
| LinuxCode | lets flog him | 22:52 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 22:52 |
| LinuxCode | in a hypothetically sense | 22:52 |
| stickster | Jon talked very eloquently already about bug triage, which is part of a larger quality assurance (QA) effort | 22:53 |
| LinuxCode | stickster, does the infrastructure team run git etc.. and decide on whats run ? | 22:53 |
| stickster | LinuxCode: I believe they use git for most of their source control tasks | 22:53 |
| LinuxCode | or does the steering committee decide on what software they want run ? | 22:54 |
| stickster | LinuxCode: They also provide CVS, SVN, bazaar, and Mercurial | 22:54 |
| stickster | And there may be one more in there that I'm forgetting | 22:54 |
| LinuxCode | interesting | 22:54 |
| stickster | They provide those SCM's for other projects too | 22:54 |
| Ineluctable | stickster: Just a thought but I think that the fedora-classroom should be add to http://fedoraproject.org/join-fedora | 22:54 |
| page as an on going live training, or school enviroment type of thing. | ||
| stickster | So each software project gets to choose its SCM | 22:54 |
| jds2001 | the main fedora repo uses CVS for specfiles. | 22:54 |
| Discordian | maybe the other is RCS or perforce? | 22:55 |
| jds2001 | however, each hosted project is free to choose their SCM. | 22:55 |
| stickster | Ineluctable: I'm absolutely sure that nirik will be doing that once we have settled into a routine and know that people like | 22:55 |
| this as a continuing effort | ||
| jds2001 | Discordian: neither of those :) | 22:55 |
| ivazquez | Within limits. | 22:55 |
| ivazquez | svn, git, hg, bzr, mtn. | 22:55 |
| stickster | mtn, that's the one. | 22:55 |
| jds2001 | ahh yes, mtn | 22:55 |
| Discordian | ahhh ok | 22:55 |
| @nirik | Ineluctable: yeah, we will be learning from these sessions and updating things. Thats a great idea. | 22:55 |
| stickster | Thank you ivazquez | 22:55 |
| stickster | There is also the Websites team, which is different from the Infrastructure team | 22:56 |
| stickster | They work on design and implementation of our sites | 22:56 |
| stickster | keeping everything looking good and showing helpful information on each main web page | 22:56 |
| Discordian | I couldn't design my way out of a paper bag lol | 22:56 |
| stickster | It's the intersection of usability, design, and Web programming | 22:56 |
| stickster | Another group I don't want to forget is the Fedora News team | 22:57 |
| stickster | They provide a weekly newsletter that lets everyone know what's been going on in Fedora | 22:57 |
| stickster | Being on the Fedora News team couldn't be simpler | 22:57 |
| brunowolff | They are pretty go about that. There was a bodhi update that required javascript for something to work so I | 22:57 |
| filed a complaint and | ||
| * kdn noting that the lecture hall now has > 80 members. Good! | 22:57 | |
| stickster | You just have to be able to summarize discussions and events in one specific area of Fedora (like, for example, | 22:57 |
| the Websites team) for publishing in the Fedora Weekly News | ||
| brunowolff | a couple of hours later there was a new bodhi release with a fix. I was stunned. | 22:58 |
| brunowolff | I think Luke did that. | 22:58 |
| stickster | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN | 22:58 |
| stickster | brunowolff: I'm constantly amazed at how much a volunteer team can get done | 22:58 |
| stickster | We do have some leadership from paid Red Hat employees in specific cases | 22:58 |
| Ineluctable | nirik: Awesome I am a beginer at linux and fedora but I do enjoy learning and maby one day teaching. I am going to | 22:58 |
| set up an fas account so I can contribute, please let me know how I can help with the fedora-classroom project, | ||
| stickster | But a *lot* of the work is done by contributors around the world | 22:59 |
| stickster | Wow, my time is nearly up here | 22:59 |
| stickster | I hope this has been a helpful introduciton | 22:59 |
| @nirik | Ineluctable: excellent. Feel free to find me after the sessions are over. | 22:59 |
| stickster | I would like to give a challenge to everyone watching -- | 22:59 |
| stickster | Get involved! | 22:59 |
| Discordian | Thank you stickster | 22:59 |
| stickster | You can make a difference in the lives of MILLIONS of people | 22:59 |
| @nirik | thanks stickster ! | 22:59 |
| erinlea80 | thank you stickster! | 22:59 |
| domg472 | thanks | 22:59 |
| Bugz | thank you stickster | 22:59 |
| * stickster waves at everyone and thanks nirik again for the opportunity | 22:59 | |
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