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Fedora globalization meeting with the involvement of l10n, i18n, zanata and fltg groups. You are welcome to join and express if any suggestions.

Time: 0430 UTC

Place: #fedora-meeting on Freenode

Action items

Action items from previous meeting

  • Collaborate on Zanata article in Fedora Magazine

Agenda

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Oct 21 10:04:32 <pravins>       #startmeeting g11n
Oct 21 10:04:36 <pravins>       #meetingname g11n
Oct 21 10:04:39 <pravins>       #topic agenda and roll call
Oct 21 10:04:41 <mfabian>       Hi!
Oct 21 10:04:43 <pravins>       #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Meetings/2015-10-21
Oct 21 10:04:45 <pravins>       hi mfabian :)
Oct 21 10:04:47 <juhp>   zodbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
Oct 21 10:04:51 <pravins>       who else available for meeting today
Oct 21 10:05:02 <epico> hi
Oct 21 10:05:03 <pravins>       ohh
Oct 21 10:05:10 <juhp>  hi
Oct 21 10:05:22 <juhp>  anyway we can still have a lively meeting :)
Oct 21 10:05:24 <pravins>       in that case need to manually copy paste log :(
Oct 21 10:05:43 <juhp>  yeah dunno who can restart it
Oct 21 10:05:48 <pravins>       hi epico juhp :)
Oct 21 10:05:55 <pravins>       #chair mfabian juggler epico
Oct 21 10:06:01 <suanand>       hi
Oct 21 10:06:04 *       juhp just commented on the FAD ticket...
Oct 21 10:06:26 <pravins>       hi suanand :)
Oct 21 10:06:38 <pravins>       #topic Upcoming schedule
Oct 21 10:06:42 <pravins>       #info 2015-10-27        Fedora 23 Final Release
Oct 21 10:07:24 <pravins>       Just few days remained for F23 release
Oct 21 10:07:42 <pravins>       does anyone planning any blog or simply highlight activities G11N for F23?
Oct 21 10:08:13 <pravins>       As far as i think we have number of activities. One can simply go through meeting minutes or observe bugzilla.
Oct 21 10:09:18 *       zodbot (supybot@fedora/bot/zodbot) has joined #fedora-meeting
Oct 21 10:09:46 <pravins>       Will be nice if someone can volunteer for this. Me or juhp can help later for editing and improvement.
Oct 21 10:09:52 <tagoh_>        hi
Oct 21 10:09:55 <pravins>       hi tagoh_ :)
Oct 21 10:10:01 tagoh_ than_ theinric_ threebean thunderbirdtr tibbs tonet666p tristanC
Oct 21 10:10:20 <pravins>       #chair tagoh_
Oct 21 10:10:35 <pravins>       though zodbot not there i am following usual commands ;)
Oct 21 10:11:34 <juhp>  I might try to write a brief blog post next week to explain roughly we are planning to do but others also well to spread awareness about the FAD
Oct 21 10:12:08 <pravins>       great.
Oct 21 10:12:20 *       mkim (mkim@nat/redhat/x-rjqmhydmftesubjk) has joined #fedora-meeting
Oct 21 10:12:20 <aeng_> hi
Oct 21 10:12:33 *       pravins added in my todo as well.
Oct 21 10:12:36 <pravins>       hi aeng_ :)
Oct 21 10:12:38 <pravins>       moving to next topic
Oct 21 10:12:42 <mkim>  hi
Oct 21 10:12:45 <pravins>       #topic G11N FAD
Oct 21 10:12:48 <pravins>       hi mkim :)
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Oct 21 10:12:51 <pravins>       #info #43: G11N FAD in 2015
Oct 21 10:12:54 <pravins>       #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/43
Oct 21 10:13:07 <pravins>       We played little bit more on schedule.
Oct 21 10:13:16 <juhp>  yeah
Oct 21 10:14:00 <juhp>  maybe I should comment on the proposed changes to extend the Hackathon time during the FAD
Oct 21 10:14:24 <pravins>       yes
Oct 21 10:14:49 <aeng_> so now hackaton on first and second day?
Oct 21 10:15:00 <pravins>       #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p2jAxbo778CvBbr0h6n9hICTkQh5rMmbKY7g0kdGUWE/edit
Oct 21 10:15:18 <juhp>  one day for the Hackathon seems too short to do much - so I'd like to suggest (actually tagoh_ also brought this up offline)
Oct 21 10:15:45 <juhp>  so how about we start the Hackathon Sunday afternoon and continue to Tue morning
Oct 21 10:16:01 <juhp>  we would still have common sessions Sun morning and Tue afternoon
Oct 21 10:16:30 <juhp>  I tried to rework the schedule to show that it looks possible
Oct 21 10:16:42 <juhp>  how does that sound?
Oct 21 10:17:07 <pravins>       I also now things this idea is good.
Oct 21 10:17:16 <juhp>  sleep is optional ;-P   <justkidding/>
Oct 21 10:18:01 <paragan>       hi
Oct 21 10:18:02 <pravins>       s/thinks
Oct 21 10:18:02 <juhp>  People/groups who feel more discussion is needed are free to continue into the Hackathon time
Oct 21 10:18:38 <juhp>  but maybe not everyone may want to participate in all those longer discussions
Oct 21 10:18:46 *       ani (apeter@nat/redhat/x-yhqwrqmlupglxeqp) has joined #fedora-meeting
Oct 21 10:18:49 <aeng_> ok
Oct 21 10:19:04 <pravins>       do you think we should have short summary session on second day, regarding hackthon?
Oct 21 10:19:26 <juhp>  halftime sync up?
Oct 21 10:19:40 <pravins>       yes
Oct 21 10:19:42 <juhp>  perhaps it is good
Oct 21 10:20:24 <tagoh_>        personally no need so that it's not so long
Oct 21 10:20:54 <pravins>       my only wish is everyone in FAD should aware whats happening around :)
Oct 21 10:20:59 <pravins>       so sync in between will help.
Oct 21 10:22:05 <juhp>  yeah - word of mouth may also be good
Oct 21 10:22:17 <juhp>  we can think about it anyway
Oct 21 10:22:30 <pravins>       yes
Oct 21 10:22:59 <pravins>       looks everyone happy with restructured schedule with more time for hackathon
Oct 21 10:23:12 <pravins>       anyone has other opinion?
Oct 21 10:23:31 <aeng_> happy
Oct 21 10:23:40 <pravins>       great.
Oct 21 10:23:45 <juhp>  happy to hear other views too but I hope this will make a more effective and productive FAD
Oct 21 10:23:52 <pravins>       +1
Oct 21 10:23:55 *       camunoz (camunoz@nat/redhat/x-pjaxymrfukwiebcv) has joined #fedora-meeting
Oct 21 10:24:26 <juhp>  a few more specialist sessions were folded into the hackathon for this
Oct 21 10:24:34 <pravins>       so present schedule looks like this https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p2jAxbo778CvBbr0h6n9hICTkQh5rMmbKY7g0kdGUWE/edit#
Oct 21 10:25:01 <pravins>       hi camunoz :)
Oct 21 10:25:10 <juhp>  ah there is also a new separate page for the Hackathon planning
Oct 21 10:25:35 <juhp>  linked also from the schedule page
Oct 21 10:26:35 <pravins>       do you think allotted one hour on 3rd day sufficient for hackathon presentation?
Oct 21 10:26:35 <juhp>  https://docs.google.com/document/d/17LU-PmtuirbGd7wfxUuKTz7X6fsv82PVPgZaDELi4js
Oct 21 10:26:42 *       hhorak (hhorak@nat/redhat/x-knluxqcdkgelvejq) has joined #fedora-meeting
Oct 21 10:26:45 <juhp>  not sure
Oct 21 10:27:19 <juhp>  might depend on how many projects we have
Oct 21 10:27:53 <juhp>  and how much time we need for F24
Oct 21 10:27:54 <pravins>       We have around 10-15 hackathon idea.
Oct 21 10:28:21 <juhp>  1.5 hours might be better to be safe perhaps
Oct 21 10:28:29 <pravins>       yeah
Oct 21 10:28:38 <juhp>  but don't want it to drag out either
Oct 21 10:28:40 <pravins>       since Q/A will include for each topic
Oct 21 10:28:52 <juhp>  short discussions around the work might be good though
Oct 21 10:28:57 <juhp>  right
Oct 21 10:29:55 <juhp>  we could combine it lunch perhaps?
Oct 21 10:30:05 <juhp>  with
Oct 21 10:30:35 <tagoh_>        aha. sounds good
Oct 21 10:30:47 <pravins>       nice idea
Oct 21 10:30:57 <juhp>  or the F24  Planning
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Oct 21 10:32:10 <pravins>       yes, we can adjust accordingly
Oct 21 10:33:10 <juhp>  yeah
Oct 21 10:33:24 <pravins>       F24 planning after hackathon summary will be helpful
Oct 21 10:33:30 <juhp>  ah
Oct 21 10:33:35 <pravins>       since we will know at what stage we are presently and then can use it for planning F24
Oct 21 10:33:38 <juhp>  true
Oct 21 10:33:40 <pravins>       earlier was good :)
Oct 21 10:33:57 <juhp>  ok
Oct 21 10:34:24 <pravins>       lets move to hacktahon schedule now :)
Oct 21 10:34:37 <pravins>       https://docs.google.com/document/d/17LU-PmtuirbGd7wfxUuKTz7X6fsv82PVPgZaDELi4js
Oct 21 10:35:05 *       toppledwagon_ (~anonymous@192.77.237.98) has joined #fedora-meeting
Oct 21 10:35:57 <pravins>       still lots of hackathon topic missing from table
Oct 21 10:36:13 <pravins>       can every lead choose one slot from table?
Oct 21 10:36:24 <pravins>       it will help other interested participant to join during same time.
Oct 21 10:37:37 <juhp>  not sure if we have enough Spaces...
Oct 21 10:37:54 <juhp>  maybe a spreadsheet would better?
Oct 21 10:38:13 <pravins>       table looks good
Oct 21 10:38:44 <juhp>  pravins, it only allows 4 parallel sessions...
Oct 21 10:39:32 <pravins>       i think 4 parallel session will be enough
Oct 21 10:39:45 <juhp>  actually we have triple duplication of info on the Hackathon page - wish/suspect there is some clever app that could handle this for us
Oct 21 10:39:49 <pravins>       specifically considering we are around 15, so each group 3/4 people.
Oct 21 10:39:54 <juhp>  pravins, I doubt for all
Oct 21 10:40:08 <pravins>       true
Oct 21 10:40:45 <juhp>  I could imagine we might be up to 7-8 groups sometimes
Oct 21 10:40:53 <juhp>  pair work etc too
Oct 21 10:41:02 <pravins>       agree, its possible
Oct 21 10:41:09 <juhp>  yeah dunno
Oct 21 10:41:58 <pravins>       i think after this meeting lets complete those block and see how many parallel session required.
Oct 21 10:42:06 <juhp>  perhaps it could be done more effectively by a speadsheet wizard... but maybe we have to live with the doc
Oct 21 10:42:27 <pravins>       yeah, spreadsheet will give good look :)
Oct 21 10:43:35 <pravins>       lets move ahead
Oct 21 10:43:40 <pravins>       regarding F23 release party
Oct 21 10:43:51 <pravins>       unfortunately no reply from Dramsey yet.
Oct 21 10:44:00 <pravins>       dunno whether he will be available or not.
Oct 21 10:44:21 <pravins>       We should announce release party to local community at least one week in advance
Oct 21 10:44:37 <pravins>       say by Oct 28 we should announce we are going to have release party
Oct 21 10:45:16 <juhp>  yeah even earlier might be good period if we want to attract more people
Oct 21 10:45:25 <juhp>  s/period//
Oct 21 10:45:31 <pravins>       i was waiting for confirmation from dramsey
Oct 21 10:45:58 <pravins>       may be i can simply remove name of presenter and then we can announce on Japan local lists
Oct 21 10:46:11 <pravins>       lets announce it on next Monday
Oct 21 10:46:23 <juhp>  general impression is that Ambassadors in Japan not so active
Oct 21 10:46:37 <juhp>  yeah sounds good
Oct 21 10:46:49 <pravins>       lets move to next topic
Oct 21 10:46:53 <pravins>       #topic Zanata feedback survey
Oct 21 10:46:56 <pravins>       #3: Zanata translation platform user survey
Oct 21 10:46:56 <juhp>  also need to work out about cake (or whether to mention it;)
Oct 21 10:47:29 <pravins>       will work on it after meeting.
Oct 21 10:47:35 <pravins>       #link https://pagure.io/g11n/issue/3
Oct 21 10:47:40 <pravins>       lukebrooker: welcome back :)
Oct 21 10:47:49 *       dhritishikhar (~dhriti@14.140.40.14) has joined #fedora-meeting
Oct 21 10:48:09 <pravins>       aeng_: We discussed last time to once announce on mailing list that "we are closing survey"
Oct 21 10:48:28 <aeng_> yup, but havent finalised the date
Oct 21 10:48:33 <pravins>       survey is already open for 3 weeks not, so even given reminder of only couple of days will be fine.
Oct 21 10:48:45 <pravins>       We were waiting for lukebrooker to come back :)
Oct 21 10:48:52 <pravins>       We can do it today.
Oct 21 10:48:54 <aeng_> lukebrooker is back
Oct 21 10:48:55 <pravins>       no blocker.
Oct 21 10:48:59 <lukebrooker>   pravins, thanks
Oct 21 10:49:43 langdon Leates_ linex linuxmodder lmacken log-of-danofsatx lukebrooker lupinix
Oct 21 10:49:56 <ani>   I think we need to send a reminder mail first
Oct 21 10:50:01 <pravins>       ani: yeah
Oct 21 10:50:06 <ani>   and then after a couple of days about closing survey
Oct 21 10:50:55 <pravins>       lukebrooker: would you like to do that?
Oct 21 10:50:56 <ani>   what I think is today we can send a reminder mail and a closing date - lets say next wed 28th
Oct 21 10:51:05 <aeng_> I would say closing date is 30th
Oct 21 10:51:13 <ani>   and then another reminder mail on 27th and close it on 28th
Oct 21 10:51:17 <pravins>       why so late?
Oct 21 10:51:17 <aeng_> or ealier
Oct 21 10:51:23 <ani>   thats the normal way how we work on surveys
Oct 21 10:51:25 <aeng_> earlier is fine
Oct 21 10:51:34 <ani>   all of sudden please do not close
Oct 21 10:51:48 <lukebrooker>   Yeah I can send it today
Oct 21 10:51:55 <ani>   else we should have send the reminder mail earlier which we have not
Oct 21 10:51:59 <ani>   lukebrooker, hi
Oct 21 10:52:08 <pravins>       point is survey is open for 3 weeks already, if anyone interested they will quickly do by seeing reminder, else other will simply ignore as they have done for 3 weeks
Oct 21 10:52:09 <ani>   so what should be the closing date
Oct 21 10:52:19 <ani>   pravins, thats fine
Oct 21 10:52:31 <juhp>  next week sounds fine
Oct 21 10:52:40 <pravins>       i remember someone suggested, just say that we will consider input only given on "xyx" date and after that we will not consider.
Oct 21 10:53:15 <pravins>       so survey will remain open for some more time but we will consider submission only happened before given date.
Oct 21 10:53:35 <ani>   yes thats the normal way, but we have not send a closing date yet and all of a sudden closing it is not the way
Oct 21 10:53:46 <pravins>       ani: +1
Oct 21 10:54:11 <lukebrooker>   How about next Wednesday?
Oct 21 10:54:17 <lukebrooker>   Closing date
Oct 21 10:54:18 <aeng_> fine by me
Oct 21 10:54:22 <ani>   lukebrooker, yes lest keep that the closing date
Oct 21 10:54:28 <lukebrooker>   28th
Oct 21 10:54:34 <ani>   and please lets send out a reminder mail today announcing the closing date
Oct 21 10:54:38 <pravins>       sure
Oct 21 10:54:46 <pravins>       #agreed send reminder for closing Zanata survey today and close survey on 28th
Oct 21 10:55:06 <ani>   lukebrooker, so you will be sending it out? or you want anyone esle to do that
Oct 21 10:55:12 <ani>   *else
Oct 21 10:55:27 <lukebrooker>   I am happy to send it out. Which lists?
Oct 21 10:55:39 <ani>   lukebrooker, cool
Oct 21 10:55:41 <ani>   same lists
Oct 21 10:55:50 <ani>   where we have send the surveys
Oct 21 10:55:53 <ani>   *survey
Oct 21 10:56:01 <pravins>       will need 10min extra for todays meeting.
Oct 21 10:56:26 <ani>   lukebrooker, reminder to fill up the survey + 28th is the closing date :)
Oct 21 10:56:56 <ani>   by 28th we can close and do a discussion on this during FAD
Oct 21 10:57:13 <pravins>       #topic Moving translation deadlines around Beta
Oct 21 10:58:00 <pravins>       #2: Moving translation deadlines around Beta
Oct 21 10:58:15 <pravins>       #link https://pagure.io/g11n/issue/2
Oct 21 10:58:35 <pravins>       Noriko mentioned last time, we should have consensus before proposing anything to council
Oct 21 10:58:45 <pravins>       i thought will discuss this today, but less time
Oct 21 10:58:53 <pravins>       lets do this on email
Oct 21 10:59:45 <pravins>       this is very crucial topic for us. I saw number of request for L10N after translation deadline this time.
Oct 21 10:59:52 <pravins>       specifically after L10N test day.
Oct 21 11:00:21 <pravins>       moving to last topic
Oct 21 11:00:25 <pravins>       #topic Open Floor
Oct 21 11:00:55 <pravins>       please everyone list down action item for yourself prior to G11N FAD.
Oct 21 11:01:51 <pravins>       if you do not find any, please ping me ;) We have some in plate :)
Oct 21 11:02:23 <pravins>       please bring if we missed any topic, else we will close meeting in couple of minutes
Oct 21 11:02:28 <pravins>       any queries
Oct 21 11:02:33 <ani>   pravins, I can see that Zanata survey discussion is mussing in the doc now
Oct 21 11:02:40 <ani>   *missing...
Oct 21 11:02:44 <juhp>  please all make sure you are down on the Hackathon doc with project(s)/sessions against your name
Oct 21 11:02:49 *       ani making too many typos today.. grrr
Oct 21 11:03:00 <ani>   juhp, okies
Oct 21 11:03:37 <juhp>  ani, I thought it could be part of the Hackathon discussion
Oct 21 11:03:47 <ani>   ah okay.. cool
Oct 21 11:03:48 <juhp>  (presentations)
Oct 21 11:03:57 <ani>   okies
Oct 21 11:05:06 <pravins>       ani: good point, dunno will that be part of Zanata status discussion as well. But i think that topic has number of other things included as well.
Oct 21 11:05:12 <pravins>       may be we can do it in hackthon
Oct 21 11:05:16 <pravins>       hackathon
Oct 21 11:05:28 <ani>   yup I agree.. as long as we discuss no issues :D
Oct 21 11:05:30 <pravins>       Ani please choose one slot for it.
Oct 21 11:05:38 <ani>   yup will do that
Oct 21 11:06:33 <pravins>       though no bot today:)
Oct 21 11:06:37 <pravins>       thanks all for meeting
Oct 21 11:06:40 <pravins>       #endmeeting g11n
Oct 21 11:07:17 <aeng_> thanks pravins
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