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2009-06-10 0500 UTC on #fedora-i18n at Freenode
Agenda
- previous meeting I18N/InputMethods/Meetings/2009-06-03
- ibus-anthy
- buglist review
- ibus remote script
- xkb
Next meeting I18N/InputMethods/Meetings/2009-06-17
bug lists: core IMEs imsettings scim
Summary
- ibus-anthy still needs work current setup seems to be UI skeleton
- reassigned ibus-anthy to Jens
- talked about several bugs
- libhangul updated to 0.0.9
- new ibus build in f11 updates-testing
- some discussion on xkb and keymap branch
Action Items
Log
| juhp | I18N/InputMethods/Meetings/2009-06-10 | Jun 10 15:09 |
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| juhp | ping phuang, tagoh3, dychen, paragan, pravins | Jun 10 15:10 |
| phuang | hi | Jun 10 15:10 |
| juhp | I cooked up an agenda page... | Jun 10 15:10 |
| dychen | Hi, juhp | Jun 10 15:10 |
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| juhp | any particular other topics for today? | Jun 10 15:10 |
| juhp | perhaps we should go through the bug list today? | Jun 10 15:12 |
| tagoh3 | hi | Jun 10 15:12 |
| juhp | I think all rawhide bugs were moved to f11 | Jun 10 15:12 |
| paragn | hi | Jun 10 15:14 |
| juhp | phuang: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/libhangul-0.0.9-1.fc11 btw | Jun 10 15:14 |
| pravins | hi juhp | Jun 10 15:14 |
| phuang | juhp, thanks | Jun 10 15:14 |
| juhp | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?product=Fedora&component=ibus&bug_status=NEW,ASSIGNED | Jun 10 15:20 |
| juhp | ah wait | Jun 10 15:20 |
| juhp | let's talk briefly about ibus-anthy first | Jun 10 15:21 |
| juhp | tagoh3: you said the Abe-san's latest code still not completely functional I guess? | Jun 10 15:21 |
| juhp | in ibus-anthy-setup I mean | Jun 10 15:22 |
| tagoh3 | yep | Jun 10 15:22 |
| juhp | the setup UI looks ok but I guess maybe still needs some glue for state and gconf etc? | Jun 10 15:23 |
| tagoh3 | well, keybindings list just contains keys for not-yet-implemented-feature | Jun 10 15:23 |
| juhp | I didn't look at the code yet | Jun 10 15:23 |
| juhp | ok | Jun 10 15:23 |
| juhp | but presumably he is planning to do that | Jun 10 15:23 |
| tagoh3 | dunno - it looked like borrowing list from scim-anthy though | Jun 10 15:24 |
| juhp | ok | Jun 10 15:24 |
| juhp | well hopefully anyway - guess it is a good start anyway | Jun 10 15:24 |
| juhp | tagoh3: do you see more important things missing from setup skeleton? | Jun 10 15:25 |
| tagoh3 | not sure if it should be entered into setup but apparently we are missing dictionary stuff there | Jun 10 15:26 |
| juhp | tagoh3: right you mean kasumi support? | Jun 10 15:26 |
| tagoh3 | since we no longer have a desktop entry for kasumi, it's really hard to do maintain anthy dictionary | Jun 10 15:26 |
| juhp | aha | Jun 10 15:26 |
| juhp | I suppose we could bring back the desktop file in the meantime ;) | Jun 10 15:27 |
| juhp | I dunno how commonly it is used? | Jun 10 15:27 |
| tagoh3 | juhp: that's an idea - ideally better invoking that from IM side so that that would be intuitive | Jun 10 15:28 |
| juhp | anyway should be hard to add a kasumi button | Jun 10 15:28 |
| tagoh3 | shouldn't? | Jun 10 15:28 |
| juhp | tagoh3: does scim-anthy have a shortcut for it? | Jun 10 15:28 |
| juhp | tagoh3: right | Jun 10 15:28 |
| tagoh3 | juhp: you mean keybinding? I thought it's only available from toolbar. | Jun 10 15:29 |
| juhp | ok | Jun 10 15:29 |
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| juhp | hope I did that right | Jun 10 15:31 |
| *juhp updated ibus-anthy in pkgdb... | Jun 10 15:31 | |
| juhp | okay | Jun 10 15:31 |
| juhp | phuang: btw you have a new ibus build in updates-testing I think? | Jun 10 15:36 |
| juhp | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?product=Fedora&component=ibus&bug_status=NEW,ASSIGNED | Jun 10 15:36 |
| phuang | yeah. I just built one today | Jun 10 15:36 |
| juhp | cool | Jun 10 15:36 |
| juhp | good for everyone to test that please | Jun 10 15:37 |
| phuang | But it does not include changes for resolving xkb conflict | Jun 10 15:37 |
| juhp | sure | Jun 10 15:37 |
| juhp | good :) | Jun 10 15:37 |
| phuang | For xkb testing, need build from git tree keymaps branch | Jun 10 15:38 |
| juhp | any bugs anyone wants to raise? | Jun 10 15:38 |
| juhp | phuang: yep | Jun 10 15:38 |
| juhp | phuang: sure any xkb testing should be done in f12 :) | Jun 10 15:38 |
| juhp | or scratch builds of course :) | Jun 10 15:38 |
| juhp | .bug 486272 | Jun 10 15:39 |
| zodbot | juhp: Bug 486272 need a hotmenu for focus-follows-mouse wm - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=486272 | Jun 10 15:39 |
| juhp | phuang: any more thoughts on this | Jun 10 15:40 |
| juhp | we have touched on it in a while | Jun 10 15:40 |
| juhp | haven't | Jun 10 15:40 |
| juhp | dropping my not's today ;) | Jun 10 15:40 |
| phuang | I think we discussed it yesterday | Jun 10 15:41 |
| phuang | about the replace toolbar with sys menu | Jun 10 15:41 |
| juhp | aha | Jun 10 15:42 |
| phuang | tagoh3's comment of this bug | Jun 10 15:42 |
| juhp | well that was systray menu | Jun 10 15:42 |
| juhp | but that would work yes | Jun 10 15:42 |
| juhp | hotkey to bring up menu | Jun 10 15:42 |
| juhp | phuang: so would the menus be combined in this case? | Jun 10 15:43 |
| phuang | yeah | Jun 10 15:43 |
| phuang | and the menu must be triggered by hotkey | Jun 10 15:43 |
| juhp | okay | Jun 10 15:44 |
| phuang | mouse clicking also has same problem | Jun 10 15:44 |
| juhp | agree - if we add support for toolbar actions in command menu then easier to do that part | Jun 10 15:44 |
| juhp | but first step might be to allow switching IME from hotmenu | Jun 10 15:45 |
| phuang | But I am afraid: If the mouse leaves the window, maybe ibus will has problem too | Jun 10 15:45 |
| phuang | Still thinking it is minor case. could be ignored | Jun 10 15:48 |
| juhp | .bug 491040 | Jun 10 15:54 |
| zodbot | juhp: Bug 491040 candidate selection needs scrollbar and selection by mouse - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=491040 | Jun 10 15:54 |
| phuang | juhp, it is difficult to implement. All engines need changes to support it. :( | Jun 10 16:00 |
| juhp | hmm | Jun 10 16:01 |
| juhp | I see | Jun 10 16:01 |
| pravins | phuang: as talked you yesterday, selection by mouse will help ibus-rawcode also :) | Jun 10 16:01 |
| phuang | pravins, yeah. I will consider support it | Jun 10 16:02 |
| pravins | cool | Jun 10 16:03 |
| pravins | between i started working on .bug 501911 | Jun 10 16:03 |
| phuang | I could add api for it. But if the engine want to support it, engine developers should add related code for it. | Jun 10 16:03 |
| pravins | sure | Jun 10 16:04 |
| juhp | phuang: how about PageUp/PageDown? | Jun 10 16:04 |
| juhp | .bug 501911 | Jun 10 16:04 |
| zodbot | juhp: Bug 501911 [ibus][Indic] - ZWJ Candidate window not showing Hexadecimal values in list - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=501911 | Jun 10 16:04 |
| pravins | thanks phuang for adding hex api in IbusLookuptabe | Jun 10 16:04 |
| phuang | could add pageup and pagedown buttons too | Jun 10 16:05 |
| pravins | s/IbusLookuptabe/IBusLookupTable | Jun 10 16:05 |
| juhp | phuang: not buttons | Jun 10 16:06 |
| pravins | yeah, will require that two | Jun 10 16:06 |
| phuang | juhp, ? | Jun 10 16:06 |
| juhp | phuang: keys :) | Jun 10 16:06 |
| juhp | same story? | Jun 10 16:06 |
| phuang | ibus always supports pagedown, pageup keys. | Jun 10 16:07 |
| phuang | I think | Jun 10 16:07 |
| juhp | in candidate list? | Jun 10 16:07 |
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| phuang | in your keyboard | Jun 10 16:07 |
| juhp | phuang: so not currently available I guess | Jun 10 16:08 |
| phuang | but no buttons on candidate window | Jun 10 16:08 |
| juhp | I think PageUp and PageDown is essential for candidate list | Jun 10 16:08 |
| juhp | not working for me anyway | Jun 10 16:08 |
| phuang | key does not work? | Jun 10 16:09 |
| phuang | which engine? | Jun 10 16:09 |
| juhp | no | Jun 10 16:09 |
| juhp | PageUp/PageDown does not seem to do anything | Jun 10 16:09 |
| juhp | is it just me? | Jun 10 16:09 |
| pravins | juhp: it shows in ibus-rawcode | Jun 10 16:09 |
| pravins | but i have not implemented function for that | Jun 10 16:09 |
| juhp | ok | Jun 10 16:10 |
| juhp | perhaps it is ibus-anthy? | Jun 10 16:10 |
| phuang | If the PageUp & PageDown keys do not work. It is the problem of engine. | Jun 10 16:10 |
| juhp | so IME implements that | Jun 10 16:10 |
| phuang | yeah | Jun 10 16:10 |
| juhp | ok | Jun 10 16:10 |
| juhp | hmm so everyone IME needs to implement that? | Jun 10 16:11 |
| phuang | yeah | Jun 10 16:13 |
| juhp | hmm | Jun 10 16:13 |
| juhp | ok | Jun 10 16:13 |
| phuang | Some engines do not send the lookup table with all candidates | Jun 10 16:13 |
| juhp | sure | Jun 10 16:13 |
| phuang | so can not implement in ibus | Jun 10 16:14 |
| juhp | phuang: pinyin is only showing 5 candidates at time? :) | Jun 10 16:14 |
| phuang | no. it is configurable | Jun 10 16:14 |
| phuang | and Pinyin will only send the current page to ibus-daemon | Jun 10 16:14 |
| phuang | because performance issue | Jun 10 16:15 |
| juhp | ok | Jun 10 16:16 |
| juhp | just thought 5 is not that many but anyway | Jun 10 16:16 |
| juhp | ok I think we need more contributions to ibus core from the team | Jun 10 16:17 |
| phuang | yeah | Jun 10 16:18 |
| juhp | if everyone took one ibus bug and submitted a patch it would help cut down the rfe list a lot | Jun 10 16:18 |
| juhp | either that I we need to become more nasty and close some rfe wontfix | Jun 10 16:18 |
| juhp | I think some of the bugs are not so big work | Jun 10 16:19 |
| juhp | anyway we over time | Jun 10 16:20 |
| juhp | so let's close the meeting if nothing else | Jun 10 16:20 |
| juhp | I added a comment to bz about remote use | Jun 10 16:20 |
| juhp | and maybe we can talk more about xkb next time | Jun 10 16:20 |
| phuang | ok | Jun 10 16:21 |
| phuang | added comment about remote use too | Jun 10 16:21 |
| juhp | phuang: but let me ask currently xkb scan codes is either all on or off? | Jun 10 16:21 |
| juhp | phuang: thanks | Jun 10 16:21 |
| juhp | phuang: no IME differentiation yet? | Jun 10 16:21 |
| phuang | no different | Jun 10 16:21 |
| juhp | I guess we need some meta data for IMEs that don't need it | Jun 10 16:22 |
| juhp | ok | Jun 10 16:22 |
| juhp | phuang: maybe a setup config we would be a start? | Jun 10 16:23 |
| juhp | to turn it on and off? | Jun 10 16:23 |
| phuang | We need a detail design for it | Jun 10 16:24 |
| juhp | right | Jun 10 16:25 |
| juhp | tagoh3: anything you want to mention on imsettings or other stuff? | Jun 10 16:26 |
| dychen | juhp, phuang: perhaps some API for the IMEs do care. | Jun 10 16:28 |
| juhp | yeah | Jun 10 16:28 |
| tagoh3 | juhp: not particularly so far. | Jun 10 16:29 |
| juhp | ok | Jun 10 16:29 |
| juhp | we can continue talking but let's end the formal meeting here :) | Jun 10 16:29 |
| phuang | IME could choice keyboard layout in IME describe xml file | Jun 10 16:30 |
| juhp | phuang: right | Jun 10 16:31 |
| phuang | and ibus will convert scan code to the specified keyboard layout | Jun 10 16:31 |
| juhp | I guess m17n may be hardest | Jun 10 16:31 |
| juhp | since some maps may need it and not others - dunno | Jun 10 16:31 |
| phuang | each engines in m17n could specified different layout | Jun 10 16:32 |
| dychen | phuang: but dvorak user have no chance to change keyboard layout to their favour. | Jun 10 16:32 |
| juhp | changing topic but anyone see the thread on f-i-l started by ankit and gdm langlist? | Jun 10 16:32 |
| dychen | juhp: I did. | Jun 10 16:33 |
| phuang | but I don't know if keymap files in m17n have those information | Jun 10 16:33 |
| juhp | phuang: right | Jun 10 16:33 |
| phuang | dvorak layout works with chewing. ? | Jun 10 16:34 |
| dychen | juhp, I am not quite sure whether the system manager would like user to auto-add the language files. | Jun 10 16:34 |
| dychen | phuang: Yes, chewing support dvorak, dvorak 26 keys. | Jun 10 16:35 |
| dychen | phuang: So I suggest it should be in either IBus or IME's schemas. | Jun 10 16:36 |
| phuang | Actually, I am not clear about those use cases. | Jun 10 16:37 |
| phuang | dychen, Do you have detail information? | Jun 10 16:37 |
| dychen | phuang: How many keyboard layout are you supporting so far? | Jun 10 16:38 |
| phuang | dychen, keyboard layouts are loaded from text file. It is easy to add new one | Jun 10 16:38 |
| phuang | currently, I only has several layouts converted from qemu projects | Jun 10 16:39 |
| phuang | s/I/It/ | Jun 10 16:40 |
| dychen | phuang: Those may be sufficient. | Jun 10 16:40 |
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