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Agenda
Time:2009-11-25 0500 UTC
Place: #fedora-i18n at Freenode
Summary
- reviewed ibus buglists
Actions
- move long-term ibus future RFE bugs to upstream issues
Log
| juhp | shall we do the IM meeting? | Nov 25 15:06 |
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| juhp | ping tagoh3, fujiwarat, phuang, paragan | Nov 25 15:07 |
| paragan | pong juhp | Nov 25 15:07 |
| tagoh3 | hi | Nov 25 15:07 |
| phuang | pong | Nov 25 15:07 |
| juhp | shall we do a catchup on IM issues? | Nov 25 15:07 |
| juhp | I don't have any particular agenda... and forgot to update the meeting page | Nov 25 15:08 |
| fujiwarat | hi | Nov 25 15:08 |
| juhp | tagoh3: btw what does your imsettings update do? didn't have a chance to look yet | Nov 25 15:09 |
| juhp | not sure but think dychen might have finished makerdialog? | Nov 25 15:09 |
| tagoh3 | juhp: including a fix of crash on XFCE | Nov 25 15:09 |
| juhp | aha | Nov 25 15:09 |
| dychen | juhp: Yes, I am checking the package. | Nov 25 15:10 |
| juhp | cool | Nov 25 15:10 |
| juhp | fujiwarat: see your new anthy icon | Nov 25 15:11 |
| fujiwarat | phuang: probably I'll need a new branch on google for fedora12 for icon enhancement. I'm not sure if we need to bump to 1.3. | Nov 25 15:11 |
| juhp | I was trying to remember what we talked about at the meeting | Nov 25 15:11 |
| juhp | fujiwarat: google code? | Nov 25 15:11 |
| juhp | fujiwarat: I guess the new icon is not ideal as underlay for status say though | Nov 25 15:12 |
| phuang | fujiwarat, If you want, I think you could bump ibus-anthy version separately. | Nov 25 15:12 |
| juhp | fujiwarat: you want to branch 1.2 you mean? | Nov 25 15:13 |
| fujiwarat | juhp: I mean trunk on ibus community github.com. Oh not google. | Nov 25 15:13 |
| juhp | yeah | Nov 25 15:13 |
| juhp | ibus branch for ui work? | Nov 25 15:13 |
| juhp | fujiwarat: I think you can do it in your tree? | Nov 25 15:14 |
| fujiwarat | phuang: OK, I'll create 1.3 for ibus enhancement and glade to gtkbuilder. | Nov 25 15:14 |
| phuang | fujiwarat, ibus or ibus-anthy? | Nov 25 15:14 |
| fujiwarat | I mean currently almost ibus module version is 1.2.x. | Nov 25 15:14 |
| fujiwarat | phuang: i mean ibus-anthy. | Nov 25 15:15 |
| juhp | fujiwarat: not sure what you want - think you can worry about version later?? | Nov 25 15:15 |
| phuang | fujiwarat, ok | Nov 25 15:15 |
| juhp | fujiwarat: seems too much to bump major version just for icon - depends on your version scheme I guess? | Nov 25 15:16 |
| juhp | anyway... | Nov 25 15:16 |
| juhp | hmm | Nov 25 15:17 |
| juhp | tagoh3: did you see the anthy icon? | Nov 25 15:17 |
| tagoh3 | juhp: yep | Nov 25 15:17 |
| juhp | fujiwarat: another comment - y is off the key but guess it is ok maybe | Nov 25 15:18 |
| juhp | bottom of y | Nov 25 15:18 |
| juhp | (y of anthy to clarify) | Nov 25 15:18 |
| tagoh3 | looks good - as you said it may be not sufficient for the status icon right. but I thought we are trying to replace the crown icon yes? so it should works enough I think. | Nov 25 15:18 |
| juhp | okay | Nov 25 15:18 |
| juhp | let's try it in rawhide then | Nov 25 15:19 |
| fujiwarat | juhp: I imply "Anthy" string is not drawn with the key image. | Nov 25 15:19 |
| juhp | (I requested imsettings-0.107.4-3.fc12 to stable) | Nov 25 15:19 |
| juhp | fujiwarat: ok I see | Nov 25 15:20 |
| juhp | fujiwarat: it might be the best anthy icon so far | Nov 25 15:20 |
| juhp | I might still prefer ibus-off icon + あ (or status) later | Nov 25 15:21 |
| fujiwarat | Today I also sent hidegit the icon. | Nov 25 15:21 |
| juhp | like pidgin or some other notification icons | Nov 25 15:21 |
| juhp | aha | Nov 25 15:21 |
| juhp | any feedback? | Nov 25 15:21 |
| juhp | you made it yourself? :) | Nov 25 15:22 |
| fujiwarat | No just 30 minutes ago :). | Nov 25 15:22 |
| juhp | ok | Nov 25 15:22 |
| juhp | cool | Nov 25 15:22 |
| fujiwarat | juhp: If other icons could be changed to ibus-off + something, I'll back to that design. If not, it might be a little strange for me when ibus-anthy only uses ibus-off. | Nov 25 15:25 |
| juhp | fujiwarat: of course they should all be changed :) | Nov 25 15:25 |
| juhp | which why I asked about ibus tree :) | Nov 25 15:25 |
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| fujiwarat | juhp: OK, I understood. | Nov 25 15:26 |
| juhp | fujiwarat: I think you could just add the icon in fedora build for now even | Nov 25 15:26 |
| juhp | I18N/InputMethods/Bugs | Nov 25 15:27 |
| fujiwarat | juhp: OK, I'll keep 1.2. | Nov 25 15:28 |
| juhp | read bug 530976 | Nov 25 15:30 |
| juhp | ^I | Nov 25 15:30 |
| juhp | bug 530976 | Nov 25 15:30 |
| juhp | .bug 530976 | Nov 25 15:30 |
| zodbot | juhp: Bug 530976 [Indic] Default keymap need to set for various languages - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=530976 | Nov 25 15:30 |
| phuang | this bug has been fixed | Nov 25 15:31 |
| juhp | so I see | Nov 25 15:32 |
| juhp | was curious | Nov 25 15:32 |
| juhp | launguaes <- pretty good misspelling ;) | Nov 25 15:33 |
| juhp | I am looking the IME list first... | Nov 25 15:33 |
| paragan | .bug 538270 | Nov 25 15:33 |
| zodbot | paragan: Bug 538270 Typo in ibus-m17n.spec - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=538270 | Nov 25 15:33 |
| juhp | yes | Nov 25 15:34 |
| paragan | can be fixed in next release | Nov 25 15:34 |
| paragan | or phuang can even commit it in spec only for now | Nov 25 15:34 |
| juhp | was about to... | Nov 25 15:34 |
| juhp | done | Nov 25 15:40 |
| juhp | let's fix the trivial bugs early... | Nov 25 15:40 |
| juhp | fujiwarat: still a few ibus-anthy error bugs | Nov 25 15:43 |
| fujiwarat | juhp: really? | Nov 25 15:43 |
| juhp | in bugzilla yes | Nov 25 15:43 |
| juhp | fujiwarat: would you like bug 504735 ? | Nov 25 15:45 |
| juhp | looking at ibus bugs now | Nov 25 15:45 |
| juhp | .bug 504735 | Nov 25 15:45 |
| zodbot | juhp: Bug 504735 reflect IME toolbar UI in systray applet menu - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=504735 | Nov 25 15:45 |
| juhp | hmm menu? | Nov 25 15:45 |
| juhp | ah that is different | Nov 25 15:46 |
| juhp | thought it was status in panel | Nov 25 15:46 |
| juhp | phuang: planning to work on any ibus bugs? | Nov 25 15:47 |
| phuang | juhp, yeah. | Nov 25 15:47 |
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| phuang | I am fixing some abrt crash problem | Nov 25 15:47 |
| juhp | aha | Nov 25 15:48 |
| juhp | .bug 529920: "I just hit Ctrl-space accidentally (that happens uncomfortably often to me...)" | Nov 25 15:49 |
| zodbot | juhp: Error: '529920:' is not a valid integer. | Nov 25 15:49 |
| juhp | .bug 529920 : "I just hit Ctrl-space accidentally (that happens uncomfortably often to me...)" | Nov 25 15:49 |
| zodbot | juhp: (bug <number>) -- Return the name and URL of a Red Hat Bugzilla ticket. | Nov 25 15:49 |
| juhp | .bug 529920 | Nov 25 15:49 |
| zodbot | juhp: Bug 529920 language panel pops up on the wrong monitor - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=529920 | Nov 25 15:49 |
| juhp | clever bot | Nov 25 15:49 |
| phuang | Maybe he used extension mode for second monitor. | Nov 25 15:53 |
| juhp | extension? | Nov 25 15:53 |
| juhp | phuang: I say it on my laptop too during meeting | Nov 25 15:53 |
| juhp | saw | Nov 25 15:53 |
| juhp | and also on this box... | Nov 25 15:54 |
| juhp | phuang: you can reproduce? | Nov 25 15:54 |
| juhp | can't | Nov 25 15:54 |
| phuang | ibus get the desktop size from window manager, and put the panel on the right bottom | Nov 25 15:55 |
| juhp | I noticed something I hadn't realised while testing ru kbd setting from gdm | Nov 25 15:56 |
| phuang | probably window manager consider the two monitor as one big desktop | Nov 25 15:56 |
| juhp | phuang: heh | Nov 25 15:56 |
| juhp | hmm | Nov 25 15:56 |
| juhp | phuang: can't it ask for bottom of screen? | Nov 25 15:56 |
| phuang | So maybe ibus should not use desktop size | Nov 25 15:57 |
| juhp | right | Nov 25 15:57 |
| juhp | it shouldn't I guess | Nov 25 15:57 |
| juhp | for multiscreen | Nov 25 15:57 |
| phuang | Need some research on it | Nov 25 15:57 |
| juhp | ok | Nov 25 15:57 |
| juhp | matthias might be able to give some clues on it | Nov 25 15:57 |
| phuang | ok | Nov 25 15:58 |
| juhp | there are various RFEs that we have had lying around too long... we should open issues upstream and close the fedora bugs | Nov 25 15:58 |
| juhp | I guess | Nov 25 15:59 |
| phuang | yeah | Nov 25 15:59 |
| juhp | let's try to do that before next time | Nov 25 15:59 |
| paragan | hmm | Nov 25 15:59 |
| juhp | ? | Nov 25 15:59 |
| juhp | talking about FutureFeatures | Nov 25 16:00 |
| juhp | kind of things | Nov 25 16:00 |
| paragan | yes | Nov 25 16:00 |
| >paragan<sounds like disagreement :) | Nov 25 16:00 | |
| >paragan<sorry "hmm" sounds like disagreement :) | Nov 25 16:01 | |
| paragan | we need to work on RFEs | Nov 25 16:01 |
| juhp | .bug 532405 | Nov 25 16:02 |
| zodbot | juhp: Bug 532405 ibus has no cursors-following-up in QT-based applications - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=532405 | Nov 25 16:02 |
| juhp | paragan: yes | Nov 25 16:02 |
| juhp | tagoh3: want to talk about any imsettings stuff? | Nov 25 16:03 |
| tagoh3 | not particularly | Nov 25 16:03 |
| paragan | juhp, I too have observed above bug | Nov 25 16:03 |
| juhp | what is it? | Nov 25 16:03 |
| paragan | I have given my observations here https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=532405#c3 | Nov 25 16:04 |
| juhp | .bug 504735 | Nov 25 16:04 |
| zodbot | juhp: Bug 504735 reflect IME toolbar UI in systray applet menu - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=504735 | Nov 25 16:04 |
| juhp | eg bugs like this? | Nov 25 16:04 |
| paragan | looks like need to fix in ibus-qt I guess | Nov 25 16:04 |
| *juhp looks at screenshot | Nov 25 16:04 | |
| juhp | was referring to FutureFeatures | Nov 25 16:05 |
| paragan | ok | Nov 25 16:05 |
| juhp | completely don't understand "no cursors-following-up" | Nov 25 16:06 |
| paragan | have you looked at screenshot | Nov 25 16:06 |
| juhp | 光标跟随? | Nov 25 16:06 |
| tagoh3 | me neither - it looks good though? | Nov 25 16:06 |
| juhp | wtf? excuse my english! | Nov 25 16:06 |
| paragan | I guess reporter want to say move cursor only when character is committed from candidate window | Nov 25 16:07 |
| juhp | phuang: ? | Nov 25 16:07 |
| paragan | oops! phuang closed that bug as NOTABUG | Nov 25 16:07 |
| juhp | oh | Nov 25 16:07 |
| juhp | paragan: I think your comment is different - bug is about movement of candidate window? | Nov 25 16:08 |
| tagoh3 | paragan: hmm, from the screenshot you took, didn't this issue also happen on kwrite no? | Nov 25 16:09 |
| juhp | phuang: caspar was using xim? | Nov 25 16:09 |
| paragan | What behaviour I can see using ml-swanlekha.mim keymap in gedit is not same in kwrite | Nov 25 16:09 |
| phuang | juhp, yeah | Nov 25 16:09 |
| *juhp is a bit lost | Nov 25 16:09 | |
| juhp | phuang: could you please change the summary | Nov 25 16:09 |
| phuang | ok | Nov 25 16:10 |
| juhp | it is complete nonsense, sorry | Nov 25 16:10 |
| phuang | juhp, qt4 does set cursor position via xim | Nov 25 16:10 |
| juhp | cool | Nov 25 16:10 |
| juhp | paragan, phuang: so what is indic issue in kwrite? | Nov 25 16:11 |
| juhp | paragan: I think better to file a separate bug | Nov 25 16:11 |
| paragan | juhp, correct bug is movement of candidate window but another side effect of same bug is that screenshot | Nov 25 16:11 |
| juhp | phuang: czhang is in QA? | Nov 25 16:11 |
| paragan | juhp, ok sorry for confusing comment in bug | Nov 25 16:12 |
| juhp | dunno | Nov 25 16:12 |
| juhp | I think the bug is so confused so better to start new one but maybe it is just me :) | Nov 25 16:12 |
| phuang | :) | Nov 25 16:13 |
| tagoh3 | that would be good to attach another screenshot, which is correct on gedit say. | Nov 25 16:13 |
| juhp | ok so original report is for with ibus-qt | Nov 25 16:13 |
| juhp | erm Without | Nov 25 16:13 |
| juhp | ibus-qt fixed it except opera... => NOTABUG | Nov 25 16:14 |
| juhp | and you guys are seeing something similar (but different?) in kwrite | Nov 25 16:14 |
| juhp | what is my sumamry anyway | Nov 25 16:14 |
| juhp | that | Nov 25 16:14 |
| juhp | tagoh3: yet | Nov 25 16:14 |
| juhp | yep | Nov 25 16:14 |
| juhp | or you could hijack the bug now that it is closed ;) | Nov 25 16:15 |
| juhp | I suggest a new - clone and edit if you wish | Nov 25 16:15 |
| phuang | paragan, in kwrite, it is correct | Nov 25 16:15 |
| juhp | paragan: | Nov 25 16:15 |
| phuang | paragan, Some qt4 applications do not set correct position of cursor in preedit | Nov 25 16:16 |
| juhp | aha | Nov 25 16:16 |
| phuang | paragan, So I have to put the candidates window in the beginning of the preedit | Nov 25 16:16 |
| paragan | but in gedit character selected is immediately committed and can be seen | Nov 25 16:16 |
| paragan | phuang, ooh! I see | Nov 25 16:17 |
| juhp | paragan: so it should not be using preedit?? | Nov 25 16:17 |
| juhp | anyway we should probably finish soon - I think we are over time | Nov 25 16:17 |
| juhp | anything else? | Nov 25 16:18 |
| tagoh3 | phuang: that's why gtk+ gave up to use the over-the-spot but moving to on-the-spot when gtk2 was out. | Nov 25 16:19 |
| juhp | can qt use on-the-spot? | Nov 25 16:20 |
| juhp | can't | Nov 25 16:20 |
| juhp | Releases/13/Schedule | Nov 25 16:20 |
| tagoh3 | juhp: they can. dunno what's the default in qt | Nov 25 16:20 |
| juhp | by default I mean yes | Nov 25 16:20 |
| phuang | tagoh, you mean qt4 | Nov 25 16:20 |
| juhp | 2010-01-12 Feature Submission Deadline | Nov 25 16:21 |
| juhp | 2010-01-26Feature Freeze--Planning & Development Ends | Nov 25 16:21 |
| juhp | 2010-02-02 Alpha Freeze | Nov 25 16:21 |
| juhp | tagoh3: so that is decided by qt not the immodule? | Nov 25 16:21 |
| juhp | or the toolkit rather | Nov 25 16:22 |
| tagoh3 | juhp: should be in the xim immodule. | Nov 25 16:22 |
| juhp | phuang: so maybe we should rfe qt4 to use on-the-spot but default? | Nov 25 16:22 |
| tagoh3 | thought it's configurable in qtconfig | Nov 25 16:22 |
| tagoh3 | though | Nov 25 16:22 |
| juhp | yep | Nov 25 16:22 |
| juhp | tagoh3: and what about other immodules? | Nov 25 16:23 |
| phuang | Actually, some qt4 applications do not set the correct cursor position | Nov 25 16:23 |
| juhp | phuang: is it reported? | Nov 25 16:23 |
| phuang | yeah | Nov 25 16:23 |
| juhp | ok | Nov 25 16:23 |
| phuang | I think I reported in kde mail list | Nov 25 16:23 |
| phuang | Some applications set the coordinate (x,y) of the cursor | Nov 25 16:24 |
| phuang | some applications set the index in the preedit | Nov 25 16:24 |
| tagoh3 | juhp: dunno. no detailed styles in immodules afaik | Nov 25 16:24 |
| tagoh3 | aren't we talking about xim in qt? | Nov 25 16:25 |
| juhp | ibus-qt | Nov 25 16:25 |
| juhp | I thought | Nov 25 16:26 |
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| juhp | phuang: so what does ibus-qt use? | Nov 25 16:26 |
| tagoh3 | ibus-qt has the fix but not for Opera because it links qt4 library statically, thus NOTABUG. no? | Nov 25 16:26 |
| juhp | okay | Nov 25 16:27 |
| juhp | gotcha | Nov 25 16:27 |
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| juhp | me finds *-the-spot confusing | Nov 25 16:27 |
| tagoh3 | unless I'm missing the context. | Nov 25 16:27 |
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| juhp | so it is just the misplacement of kwrite then? | Nov 25 16:27 |
| juhp | phuang: so it is kde bug right? | Nov 25 16:28 |
| phuang | I think we are talking about different things | Nov 25 16:28 |
| juhp | that is what I was wondering... | Nov 25 16:28 |
| tagoh3 | paragan: is that screenshot with ibus-qt or without ibus-qt? | Nov 25 16:28 |
| juhp | okay let's continue talking but close the log here if that's ok | Nov 25 16:31 |
| paragan | tagoh3, with ibus-qt if I remember correctly | Nov 25 16:31 |
| tagoh3 | aha | Nov 25 16:32 |
| paragan | brb | Nov 25 16:32 |
| phuang | Qt::ImCursorPosition2The logical position of the cursor within the text surrounding the input area (see ImSurroundingText). If any text is selected, the position returned will be at the logical end of the selection, even if the real cursor is located at the logical start. | Nov 25 16:32 |
| phuang | ibus-qt use it to query the cursor position | Nov 25 16:32 |
| phuang | Some return cursor index in preedit | Nov 25 16:33 |
| phuang | some return coordinate in screen | Nov 25 16:33 |
| juhp | hmm | Nov 25 16:33 |
| juhp | surroundingtext? | Nov 25 16:33 |
| juhp | nm | Nov 25 16:34 |
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| phuang | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164428 | Nov 25 16:36 |
| tagoh3 | phuang: roughly looking at uim, they use the different way to determine the cursor position. it may be worth have a look? | Nov 25 16:37 |
| juhp | aha | Nov 25 16:38 |
| dychen | tagoh3: ibus-qt works with qt4-static-linked opera but not shared linked. | Nov 25 16:38 |
| juhp | hm | Nov 25 16:38 |
| phuang | dychen, ? | Nov 25 16:39 |
| tagoh3 | dychen: aha. I was just repeating a comment at bz :) | Nov 25 16:39 |
| dychen | phuang: Didn't we test it a few weeks ago? | Nov 25 16:40 |
| phuang | phuang, I think ibus-qt should work with shared version | Nov 25 16:40 |
| phuang | s/phuang/dychen | Nov 25 16:40 |
| dychen | But anyway the default (the one that end-users will like be downloaded is share-qt3-build. | Nov 25 16:41 |
| juhp | which we don't support with ibus immodule... | Nov 25 16:42 |
| juhp | but getting OT | Nov 25 16:42 |
| juhp | ok thanks guys! | Nov 25 16:42 |
| juhp | #meeting closed | Nov 25 16:42 |
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