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2009-03-17 0500 UTC on #fedora-meeting at Freenode
Agenda
- ibus
- hotkey adjustments
- F11 status: blockers and target bugs
- ibus-hangul updated
- I18n Bug day -- JensPetersen
- need a wiki page
- ibus test event plans -- AkiraTagoh
- initial draft page
- Transifex multi-po file support
- bugs filed upstream
- f11 relnotes
- beta notes on ibus
- Open discussion
- ibus transifex
Log
| paragn | hi | |
| juhp | time for the fedora-i18n meeting here | |
| sorry I am a little late | ||
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| juhp | who else is here? | |
| jni_ | juhp, hi | |
| * rahulb here | ||
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| pravins | hi all | |
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| juhp | hi guys | |
| tibbs|h tdiehl tagoh3 technmag tc14151617 thomasj_ than | ||
| ok just sneaked ibus back into the agenda | ||
| I18N/Meetings/2009-03-31 | ||
| ok let's get started | ||
| * ibus | ||
| http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=95964 | ||
| phuang_: thanks - hopefully it will make rawhide happy :) | ||
| phuang_ | juhp, It should fixed firefox problem | |
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| juhp | http://tinyurl.com/fedora-ibus-bugs | |
| paragn | I got rawhide working fine with this new ibus build | |
| juhp | great | |
| I will try too | ||
| phuang_: maybe bug 492929 is the same? | ||
| buggbot | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=492929 medium, low, ---, phuang, NEW, ibus-hangul can cause gtk app to lockup | |
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| juhp | (hmm maybe we need a bug bot for our bug and QA events) | |
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| phuang_ | juhp, maybe. I can not reproduce it with the new version | |
| juhp | phuang_: warren has been pushing for having individual hotkeys per IME | |
| but it may require some basic change to ibus? | ||
| iiuc | ||
| phuang_ | right | |
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| phuang_ | I think it is not possible for f11 | |
| juhp | hm ok | |
| phuang_: so f12? | ||
| dychen_ | hi | |
| phuang_ | for f12, we could spend more time to discuss it with users | |
| juhp | I think if we have parity with scim for f11 it is not so bad but that will leave the global Ctrl+Space? | |
| yeah | ||
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| phuang_ | And make a final decision | |
| juhp | should we drop Ctrl+Space for f11 (except for zh and indic)? | |
| phuang_ | I don't know. | |
| juhp | if we have Shift+Space for Korean (+ others?) and Alt-` for ja | |
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| juhp | tagoh3: how do you think? | |
| dychen_ | juhp:http://code.google.com/p/ibus/issues/detail?id=318 | |
| phuang_ | But I have dropped Ctrl+Space for ko, may be in ja too | |
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| juhp | phuang_: so per locale rather than per IME | |
| for now | ||
| though I am leaning to towards thinking that per IME hotkeys is a good idea | ||
| http://code.google.com/p/ibus/issues/detail?id=318 | ||
| phuang_ | juhp, yeah. we can use gconf schemas localize feature to archive it. So it is easy. | |
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| juhp | ok | |
| phuang_: do we have sufficient bugs in bz to cover that? | ||
| phuang_ | I'd like group IMEs by language, and per language has a set of hot key | |
| juhp | phuang_: right sound good | |
| sounds | ||
| phuang_ | juhp, no, but Korean users don't want Ctrl + space | |
| juhp | though some IME might have some specific hotkey traditionally | |
| phuang_: ok - I guess it is same in jp though some may be used to it from scim | ||
| phuang_ | juhp, So drop C-space in ja too? | |
| juhp | I think so | |
| phuang_ | OK | |
| paragn | I have not seen anyone reporting any problems for C-space for Indic. So I guess its ok to have Ctrl-Space for Indic | |
| phuang_ | paragn, I keep Ctrl + space for other locales, except ja & ko | |
| paragn | ok | |
| juhp | anything else on ibus now? | |
| phuang_ | I think I could fix those anthy key related bugs in this week, if I get the detail about them. | |
| juhp | phuang_: so all locale? | |
| phuang_ | juhp, all locale? | |
| juhp | phuang_: great - please more questions if you need more info - I tried to describe as best I can in bz | |
| phuang_: Ctrl+Space for all other locale? | ||
| phuang_ | juhp, right | |
| juhp | hmm ok | |
| not sure if Warren will like that but we shall see | ||
| okay we better move on | ||
| phuang_ | juhp, btw, It will be better if we have a Japanese guy to help me maintain the anthy engine. | |
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| juhp | phuang_: yes I know - still thinking about that | |
| phuang_ | juhp, thanks | |
| juhp | I think tagoh3 and I can also help with it | |
| phuang_ | great | |
| juhp | phuang_: but if you have time to fix those hotkeys issues quickly that will be probably be quicker for f11 | |
| phuang_ | juhp, sure. | |
| juhp | * F11 status: blockers and target bugs | |
| well maybe we should talk about the bug first/rather | ||
| but this was already on the agenda | ||
| http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Bugs | ||
| phuang_: btw any news about ibus-hangul? I asked mkim though and she thought hanja and hangul layouts need not be f11 blockers though fwiw | ||
| okay they are already gone | ||
| ? | ||
| phuang_ | juhp, I built the new ibus-hangul, it should fix key layout & hanja conversion problems | |
| juhp | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW,ASSIGNED,NEEDINFO,MODIFIED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=exact&email2=fedora-i18n-bugs%40redhat.com&field0-0-0=blocked&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=446452 | |
| buggbot | <http://tinyurl.com/ddk34l> (at bugzilla.redhat.com) | |
| juhp | phuang_: awesome! | |
| :) | ||
| * juhp wonders about bug 492510 | ||
| buggbot | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=492510 medium, low, ---, fangqq, NEW, Regression: wqy-bitmap-fonts preferred font over truetype fonts | |
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| juhp | hmm | |
| wqy bitmap is not installed by default so I don't really think it is blocker | ||
| well let's pass on it for now - maybe something for the bug day | ||
| http://tinyurl.com/ct9cnl | ||
| gdm translation updates are done I believe - at least ja fixed now :) | ||
| ok target bugs don't look too bad either | ||
| * I18n Bug day | ||
| everyone is very quiet | ||
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| juhp | on Thursday we will have a i18n bug day to triage i18n bugs for f11 | |
| hopefully we will be able to move a lot of bugs back or forward - close ones that are already fixed etc and test with latest rawhide | ||
| please join the event on #fedora-i18n | ||
| paragn | k | |
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| juhp | there was a question if we can split up the bug lists in some way or how to avoid people touching the same bugs | |
| it is a bit hard | ||
| any ideas or thoughts | ||
| so we could just split it up arbitrarily too but that seems less attractive in some ways | ||
| paragn | why not to split bugs based on say fonts bug, keymap bugs, ibus/IM bugs and other bugs | |
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| juhp | yep of course for our own bugs that makes sense - but there are also other bugs for package in the distro, plus bugs for f10 and f9 which would be nice to get rid of | |
| well need to look at the distribution of the bugs over packages and see if there is a good way | ||
| I will try to tackle that tomorrow maybe | ||
| paragn | ok | |
| Kaio | I want to resolve font bugs fi there are some chances. | |
| juhp | but any ideas/suggestions welcome | |
| kanarip KageSenshi Kaio | ||
| Kaio: ok good | ||
| I think I should make a wiki page - maybe that is the place to do it | ||
| ok more on that later | ||
| before Thu I mean | ||
| * ibus test event plans | ||
| okay was hoping tagoh3 would talk on this | ||
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| juhp | anyway he made a draft for the QA Test event proposal for ibus | |
| which I didn't get round to reviewing yet: I18N/F11TestEvent | ||
| okay we probably need to add a bit more detail but it is a good start | ||
| guess we need an explicit list of applications and a test table maybe | ||
| anyway there is still time available but we can propose to fedora-qa | ||
| paragn | ok | |
| juhp | * Transifex multi-po file support | |
| asgeirf: I think you filed some bugs upstream for this? :) | ||
| okay anyway there are various pushing for this but not very sure if it will land in time for f11 | ||
| anyway sounds like it will be ready in good time for f12 | ||
| tagoh3 | juhp: sorry | |
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| juhp | hi tagoh3 | |
| * f11 relnotes | ||
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| Sonar_Guy stahnma_ sonar_logger2 skvidal sm|CPU spot seku SMParrish Sonar_Gal sm|test-box spstarr_work SmootherFrOgZ sspreitzer spevack StillBob stickster_afk sflanigan | ||
| asgeirf | juhp: sorry, was away in another meeting :|. i have filed 2 feature requests for multifile support | |
| juhp: http://transifex.org/ticket/193 and http://transifex.org/ticket/194 | ||
| juhp | thanks to sankarshan we had some discussion on lack of mention of i18n in the beta relnotes | |
| I will try to add something today | ||
| asgeirf: thanks - so maybe pre-f11 is unlikely? | ||
| on ibus | ||
| asgeirf | juhp: i saw on #transifex this morning that someone from #fedora-docs volunteered to help implement support for it, so perhaps... | |
| juhp | not sure if the beta relnotes are translated otherwise guess the pointer to ibus will miss translation | |
| pravins | juhp: rahulb i think we can add some for collation and new language support | |
| juhp | asgeirf: ok cool | |
| pravins profdgy | ||
| pravins: maybe for the final notes? | ||
| that would be good | ||
| pravins | yeah | |
| rahulb | yep we sure can | |
| juhp | I think the i18n beat should be in the final relnotes anyway | |
| cool | ||
| anything else here? | ||
| rahulb | along with few new languages that are supported now | |
| juhp | great | |
| you know where the i18n doc beat is? :) | ||
| http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_l18n_Beat | ||
| * Open discussion | ||
| anything else to discuss today? | ||
| Kaio | I'd like to ask about GPLv3+ | |
| kanarip KageSenshi Kaio | ||
| parag suggested me to use GPLv3+ for License field in .spec file. | ||
| wonders the reasons and how to align related doc in rpm with this req. | ||
| juhp | ok perhaps we can take that discussion off-line or after the meeting | |
| asgeirf | hm, one other item: ibus translations | |
| juhp | asgeirf: ah yes | |
| Kaio | juhp☺ sure | |
| asgeirf | https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1294 | |
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| asgeirf | if we want to get this fast-tracked before F11 translations, I suggest an alternate solution such as a fedora-hosted project | |
| juhp | asgeirf: phuang_ what do you think? | |
| asgeirf: packagekit is on freedesktop? | ||
| oops | ||
| phuang_: ? sorry | ||
| asgeirf | juhp: yep, but they have a private repo on packagekit.org that transifex has access to | |
| juhp | aha | |
| asgeirf | juhp: and rhughes has a script (or does some manual magic) to sync this with the upstream sources | |
| juhp | ok | |
| asgeirf: the ticket is about a missing host key? | ||
| * phuang_ am reading the ticket | ||
| asgeirf | juhp: yeah, but i think mmcgrath has some security concerns about giving transifex key access to fedorapeople as well... | |
| juhp | I see | |
| okay let's think our options over carefully and take some action asap | ||
| otherwise we will miss the ongoing translation window | ||
| asgeirf | yep, perhaps we'll finish the topic here and take it as an action item after the meeting? | |
| juhp | right | |
| phuang_ | asgeirf, I could add transifex ssh key into github writer list for ibus repo | |
| asgeirf, Is it OK? | ||
| asgeirf | phuang_: but this requires transifex to sign up for an account on github right? And that might breach the github terms of use :( | |
| phuang_ | asgeirf, I am not sure. I could add your ssh key at first, and do a test | |
| sflanigan | it has to be a human. term 2 | |
| but automated usage is allowed; they have an API | ||
| juhp | asgeirf: are there any other possible hacks beyond passing .po files to translations directly - like just importing a tarball directly into tx? | |
| sflanigan | sorry, "it has to be a human" just means at signup time. | |
| juhp | translators | |
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| juhp | okay anyway probably needs more time to solve than we have here | |
| asgeirf | juhp: having a clone of the repo on e.g. ibus-translations.fedorahosted.org would be the simplest solution i think. transifex currently only supports vcs hosted projects | |
| juhp | right | |
| but then maybe easier just to host on fedorahosted - well dunno that decision has not been made though we were leaning to freedesktop | ||
| okay let's close the meeting here - we're out of time | ||
| or over anyway | ||
| asgeirf | :) | |
| juhp | thanks everyone for participating | |
| # meeting closed | ||
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