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Fedora Board Meeting, 2011 01 17
- Secretary: Jaroslav Reznik (jreznik)
- Meeting Type: IRC
Attendance
Present:
- Jared Smith (jsmith)
- Jaroslav Reznik (jreznik)
- Toshio Kurotami (abadger1999)
- Tom 'spot' Callaway (spot)
- Jon Stanley (jds2001)
- Rex Dieter (rdieter)
- Stephen Smoogen (smooge)
- Joerg Simon (kital)
- Máirín Duffy (mizmo)
- David Nalley (ke4qqq)
- Papadeas Pierros (liknus) and Igor Soares (igorps) representing FAmSCo
Not Present:
Agenda
- Fedora strategic goals discussion with FAmSCo
Notes/Summary
Fedora strategic goals discussion with FAmSCo
- Pierros Papadeas, the Chair of FAmSCo presented their thoughts on Fedora goals proposed by Board to the community discussion
- FAmSCo prepared suggestions, additions and proposed ownership for goals - http://piratepad.net/fedorafbg2011
- FAmSCo feels that each goal needs specific deliverables and action items (and owners also)
- Spot mentions that board would be looking to groups like FAMSCo to identify those deliverables and action items for themselves, with the understanding that other groups may also have deliverables/action items for the same goal
GOAL #1: Improve and simplify collaboration in the Fedora Community (FAmSCo)
- FAmSCo thinks that scheduling and events application is a key part in achieving this goal
- calendaring solution prepared by the end of 2011 (FAmSCo is working on)
- face to face meetings
- IDEA: At each FUDCon we can have at least one SCo fully present on this FUDCon
- the way we #1 improve SCo collaboration and #2 improve the level of FUDCons
GOAL #3: Improve and encourage high-quality communication in the Fedora Community (FAmSCo)
- more explanations on Summarizers
- Ambassadors have vast experience in meetings (regional, local etc ones)
- classrooms on hosting a meeting
- promote voice meetings-calls, especially for local teams (lower language barrier - jreznik)
GOAL #4: It is extraordinarily easy to join the Fedora community and quickly find a project to work on. (FAmSCo)
- FAmSCo can lead this goal and make sure by the end of 2011 make deliver a barrier-free Joining procedure for each project of Fedora
- Kital prefers mentoring over barrier-free joining
- common steps to join different Fedora sub-projects, finding the right subproject based on contributor's profile
GOAL #11: Expand global presence of Fedora among users & contributors (FAmSCo)
- FAmSCo means Fedora Project global-wise (geographically) has two main issues
- minimal Africa presence
- no APAC wide Events and collaboration of community
- FAmSCo's goal is to have 4 FUDCons on our respective regions annually
- FADs can lead the way towards it
- depends on budget approvals and clearance of Community Architecture team
- FAmSCo reports minimal investments in new regions leading to major improvements
- https://fedoraproject.org/membership-map/
GOAL #12: Improve education & skill sharing in community (FAmSCo)
- FAmSCo has nothing particular to add to the goal #12
Summary:
- FAmSCo preferences are #11 #4 #1 #3 (tie) #12 (in order of preference)
- Next thing is to hear what FESCo thinks, and to remind FESCo that we want their feedback from the list of 15 (and possible other goals), rather than the "5" preferred by Board
- Fedora Board thanks FAmSCo for valuable feedback!
Action Items
Open
Closed
Next Meeting
Next meeting will be phone on 2011-01-24 at 19:00 UTC.
Full IRC Log
| jreznik | #startmeeting Fedora Board Meeting --- Meeting:Board_meeting_2011-01-17 | 19:00 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Mon Jan 17 19:00:08 2011 UTC. The chair is jreznik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 19:00 |
| jsmith | liknus: It'll be done here. | 19:00 |
| jsmith | jreznik: Mind making me a chair (#chair jsmith), and I'll help run zodbot? | 19:00 |
| jreznik | #meetingname board | 19:00 |
| zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'board' | 19:00 |
| jreznik | #chair jsmith | 19:00 |
| zodbot | Current chairs: jreznik jsmith | 19:00 |
| rdieter | hola | 19:00 |
| jsmith | #meetingname Fedora Board | 19:00 |
| zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_board' | 19:00 |
| abadger1999 | #meetingname fedora_board | 19:01 |
| zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_board' | 19:01 |
| abadger1999 | hehe | 19:01 |
| abadger1999 | too many cooks :-) | 19:01 |
| jsmith | No worries | 19:01 |
| jreznik | abadger1999: feel free to cook to - it's going to be hard today :) | 19:01 |
| jreznik | #topic Roll call | 19:02 |
| jreznik | Who's present today? | 19:02 |
| liknus | .fas ppapadeas | 19:02 |
| zodbot | liknus: ppapadeas 'Papadeas Pierros' <ppapadeas@gmail.com> | 19:02 |
| * spot is here | 19:02 | |
| * jds2001 here | 19:02 | |
| rdieter | here | 19:02 |
| * DiscordianUK | 19:02 | |
| jds2001 | (for a few minutes only) | 19:02 |
| smooge | I am here | 19:02 |
| liknus | (oops you don;t do the .fas thing :P ) | 19:02 |
| * abadger1999 here | 19:02 | |
| * cwickert is here and lurks | 19:02 | |
| spot | liknus: no, but it is an interesting idea. :) | 19:03 |
| * kital is here but very unfocused today :S | 19:03 | |
| * jsmith is here | 19:03 | |
| liknus | spot, it is heavily used in Ambassadors meetings | 19:03 |
| * mizmo here | 19:03 | |
| * ke4qqq is here | 19:04 | |
| jreznik | #info jreznik jsmith abadger1999 spot jds2001 rdieter DiscordianUK smooge kital mizmo ke4qqq present, cwickert lurking | 19:04 |
| jreznik | anyone else we are waiting for? | 19:05 |
| jsmith | I don't think so -- let's go ahead and get started | 19:05 |
| jreznik | just a reminder - meeting rules | 19:05 |
| jreznik | #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/IRC | 19:05 |
| jsmith | So first of all, I'd like to welcome everyone and say "thank you" for coming :-) | 19:05 |
| jsmith | The goal of today's meeting is to discuss some broader (multi-release) goals. | 19:06 |
| jsmith | The Fedora Board has spent the last couple of months working on a list of our own goals (the "infamous 15") | 19:06 |
| jsmith | That being said, none of us is as smart as all of us | 19:07 |
| jsmith | So we wanted to reach out to other groups (FAmSCo, FESCo, SIGs, etc.) and get their input as well | 19:07 |
| jreznik | #topic Fedora strategic goals discussion (with FAmSCo) | 19:07 |
| jsmith | Let me point out that we're not limiting ourselves just to the 15 goals listed by the Board, but any other goals that FAmSCo might be interested in :-) | 19:07 |
| spot | ! | 19:08 |
| jsmith | => spot | 19:08 |
| spot | Okay, a few points that are worth making: | 19:08 |
| spot | #1: This is the list of goals along with some useful examples Meeting:Board_meeting_2010-12-13#Suggested_Goals_in_more_detail: | 19:08 |
| jds2001 | ! | 19:09 |
| spot | #2: The input we most want from you is not necessarily what you think would be coolest, but rather, which goals you think you would be able and excited about doing. | 19:09 |
| spot | eof | 19:09 |
| jreznik | => jds2001 | 19:09 |
| jds2001 | also, the examples mentioned don't necessarily mean anything other than "this is what we thought of" | 19:09 |
| mizmo | ! | 19:10 |
| jds2001 | please feel free to come up with things not on the list of examples that would be in furtherance of the goals | 19:10 |
| jds2001 | eof | 19:10 |
| jreznik | => mizmo | 19:10 |
| mizmo | i just wanted to note that the board didn't come up with the goals entirely, there was an open discussion on #advisory-board where many of the ideas were gathered from | 19:11 |
| mizmo | eof | 19:11 |
| mizmo | (er advisory-board-list) | 19:11 |
| liknus | ! | 19:11 |
| cwickert | ! | 19:11 |
| jreznik | => liknus | 19:11 |
| liknus | Shall we get started with input from FAmSCo? | 19:12 |
| liknus | eof | 19:12 |
| spot | +1 | 19:12 |
| jds2001 | +1 | 19:12 |
| jreznik | liknus: +1 | 19:12 |
| liknus | Ok then, | 19:12 |
| liknus | Hello all, I am Pierros Chair of FAmSCo and I will begin apologizing on behalf of the rest of famsco who could not attend this meeting | 19:13 |
| liknus | We had a special meeting on discussing the goals set by the Board | 19:13 |
| liknus | http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-01-15/famsco.2011-01-15-13.06.html | 19:13 |
| liknus | and we ended up with Suggestions, Additions and some proposed ownership | 19:14 |
| liknus | All those are written also here (in bold italics) : | 19:14 |
| liknus | http://piratepad.net/fedorafbg2011 | 19:14 |
| liknus | (and are part of our meeting's minutes) | 19:14 |
| mizmo | ? | 19:15 |
| liknus | mizmo, please go ahead | 19:15 |
| mizmo | the pirate pad says "Five highest ranked goals according to Board" ... so FESCo didn't pick those 5? | 19:15 |
| mizmo | eof | 19:15 |
| liknus | mizmo, those goals are taken from the wiki page : | 19:16 |
| liknus | Board_goals_2011 | 19:16 |
| jreznik | #info FAmSCo prepared suggestions, additions and proposed ownership for goals - http://piratepad.net/fedorafbg2011 | 19:16 |
| mizmo | ? | 19:16 |
| liknus | According to FAmSCo those are indeed the goals we should focus | 19:16 |
| liknus | => mizmo | 19:16 |
| mizmo | were the other 10 goals evaluated by FAmSCo as well? | 19:17 |
| mizmo | eof | 19:17 |
| liknus | mizmo, we focused only on those 5, as we believe that having widely published many goals will lead to confusion and not-focused work done | 19:18 |
| mizmo | ! | 19:18 |
| liknus | mizmo, | 19:18 |
| mizmo | i think we have some confusion here | 19:18 |
| mizmo | the board came up with a list of 15 example goals | 19:18 |
| mizmo | they are not exhaustive | 19:18 |
| mizmo | (i am pretty sure) we were looking to see which of the 15 FAmSCo thought would be most important to pursue over the next two releases, and if we missed any to propose additional ones | 19:19 |
| spot | mizmo: +1 | 19:19 |
| jds2001 | mizmo: +1 | 19:19 |
| mizmo | absolutely agreed having > 5 set as the goals is going to be too confusing and simply not possible to achieve | 19:20 |
| jreznik | mizmo: +1 | 19:20 |
| mizmo | at this point though we're looking to figure out which of the 15+others are the most important, and we were look for famsco's perspective on what 3-5 goals they thought most important | 19:20 |
| mizmo | eof | 19:20 |
| liknus | Famsco saw the 15 ones and ended up reallizing that the already "high ranked" ones suit us OK | 19:20 |
| abadger1999 | ? | 19:20 |
| liknus | abadger1999, | 19:20 |
| abadger1999 | What ranking did FAMSCo assign to those five? (The Board will likely further narrow it down to 2-3 goals before htis is done). | 19:21 |
| liknus | (also out of those 5 we think that some are more important than ithers) | 19:21 |
| liknus | exactly abadger1999 I will come to that | 19:21 |
| liknus | So starting, as a general notice, we feel that each goal needs specific deliverables and action items (and owners also) | 19:22 |
| liknus | that way we can assess the success or any blockers along the way | 19:22 |
| spot | ! | 19:22 |
| liknus | => spot | 19:23 |
| jreznik | #info FAmSCo feels that each goal needs specific deliverables and action items (and owners also) | 19:23 |
| spot | liknus: that makes sense, but to be clear, we would be looking to groups like FAMSCo to identify those deliverables and action items for themselves, with the understanding that other groups may also have deliverables/action items for the same goal | 19:23 |
| spot | as opposed to mandating it from the Board down. | 19:23 |
| spot | eof | 19:23 |
| rdieter | ! | 19:23 |
| jreznik | => rdieter | 19:24 |
| liknus | spot, glad to hear :) We were thinking of the same approach | 19:24 |
| rdieter | in addition, at this point, consider these just strategic goals, without specific implementations. that comes later (by various groups within fedora as spot mentioned). | 19:24 |
| mizmo | spot +1 | 19:24 |
| rdieter | eof | 19:25 |
| spot | rdieter: +1 | 19:25 |
| jreznik | rdieter, spot: +1 | 19:25 |
| jsmith | rdieter: +1 | 19:25 |
| liknus | totally understood that's why part of our suggestions are simply refining and second stage approach on the goals | 19:25 |
| liknus | Shall I move in detail discussion over each goal? | 19:26 |
| spot | +1 | 19:26 |
| mizmo | liknus +1 | 19:26 |
| jsmith | +1 | 19:26 |
| abadger1999 | +1 | 19:26 |
| jreznik | liknus: go ahead! | 19:26 |
| liknus | OK so Goal # | 19:26 |
| liknus | Goal #1 | 19:26 |
| jreznik | #topic Goal #1 (FAmSCo) | 19:26 |
| liknus | We can live with a smaller name (as in all Goals) sth like Improve and Simplify Collaboration | 19:27 |
| liknus | We think that scheduling and events application is a key part in achieving this goal | 19:27 |
| liknus | this is something that was long debated within fedora and we still have not reached a conclusion | 19:28 |
| liknus | So as a suggestion we feel that by the end of 2011 we should have a good calendaring solution, either within Fedora Community Portal or through an modified wiki page | 19:29 |
| liknus | (We are working on the second one as FAmSCo) | 19:29 |
| igorps | ! | 19:29 |
| liknus | igorps, | 19:29 |
| jreznik | #topic Goal #1 - Improve and simplify collaboration in the Fedora Community (FAmSCo) | 19:29 |
| igorps | We also think that meeting face to face is important | 19:30 |
| igorps | for all SCos | 19:30 |
| liknus | (and that is our second addition on Goal #1) | 19:30 |
| igorps | and we could do that on FUDCons around the world | 19:30 |
| rockworldmi | ! | 19:30 |
| igorps | eof | 19:30 |
| jreznik | => rockworldmi | 19:30 |
| rockworldmi | Features/Team_meeting_schedule_applet | 19:30 |
| liknus | Calendaring solution should be also focused on our events | 19:31 |
| liknus | not only meetings | 19:31 |
| igorps | +1 | 19:31 |
| rockworldmi | but i think there will be better option for gnome 3's availability..default calendar can be itegrated for meeting's schedules | 19:31 |
| rockworldmi | linkus:ou are right | 19:31 |
| rockworldmi | eof | 19:31 |
| liknus | Anyway returning on what igorps brought up | 19:32 |
| liknus | The basic idea behind this is : | 19:32 |
| liknus | At each FUDCon we can have at least one SCo fully present on this FUDCon | 19:32 |
| jreznik | #idea At each FUDCon we can have at least one SCo fully present on this FUDCon | 19:33 |
| liknus | that way we #1 improve SCo collaboration and #2 improve the level of FUDCons | 19:33 |
| jreznik | liknus: +1, I like it | 19:33 |
| liknus | also by having them around the world will significally lower the budget as SCos are distributed around the globe | 19:34 |
| rockworldmi | linkus:+1 | 19:34 |
| liknus | We can make sure this happens within 2011 also (there is still plenty of time) | 19:34 |
| igorps | ! | 19:34 |
| liknus | igorps, | 19:34 |
| igorps | I suggests that one idea is to start with the upcoming FUDCon Panama | 19:35 |
| igorps | in May | 19:35 |
| igorps | we still can manage time for that | 19:35 |
| spot | ! | 19:35 |
| igorps | but this is just one first idea | 19:35 |
| igorps | eof | 19:35 |
| jreznik | => spot | 19:35 |
| spot | This is useful, just keep in mind that we're not committing to anything yet. :) | 19:36 |
| spot | eof | 19:36 |
| liknus | none asked for commission :) we understand that this needs serious thought :) | 19:36 |
| igorps | +1 | 19:36 |
| liknus | Shall I move to the next goal? | 19:36 |
| spot | liknus: +1 | 19:36 |
| jsmith | liknus: +1 | 19:37 |
| liknus | Ok Goal #2 | 19:37 |
| liknus | I am sorry.. it is # 3 | 19:37 |
| jreznik | #topic GOAL #3: Improve and encourage high-quality communication in the Fedora Community (FAmSCo) | 19:37 |
| liknus | So we need some more explanations on Summarizers (possibly off the meeting -- on the mailing list? ) | 19:38 |
| jsmith | Sure. | 19:38 |
| mizmo | ! | 19:39 |
| liknus | => mizmo | 19:39 |
| mizmo | just a suggestion, liknus! it might be helpful for us on the board to understand the impact of these goals on ambassadors better if you could give us maybe a summary | 19:39 |
| mizmo | of in what ways achieving the goal would positively impact ambassadors | 19:39 |
| mizmo | you've done this a little bit so far, especially with the calendaring point | 19:39 |
| liknus | ok mizmo I will make sure I do :) | 19:40 |
| mizmo | but just a suggestion to point it out clearly / up front | 19:40 |
| mizmo | eof | 19:40 |
| liknus | So moving on : | 19:40 |
| liknus | Ambassadors have vast experience in meetings (regional, local etc ones) | 19:40 |
| liknus | So I think that we can benefit from having nice classrooms on hosting a meeting (and what happens after that -- transparency etc) | 19:41 |
| liknus | We are confident we can be owners of such an action item and also in parallel form the appropriate SOPs | 19:41 |
| liknus | (we have already started to form Ambassadors SOPs) | 19:42 |
| liknus | Also many times, by people with experience in other projects (Gnome, Mozilla) it has been suggested to try out more widely some voice meetings-calls | 19:42 |
| liknus | And that bring us to our last addition, that we want to make more people aware of the VoIP capabilities our project has and make more use of them | 19:43 |
| liknus | Especially on local meetings (country-wide) we could benefit a lot | 19:43 |
| liknus | I think we are done on this Goal | 19:44 |
| liknus | moving on? | 19:44 |
| spot | liknus: +1 | 19:44 |
| mizmo | liknus+1 | 19:44 |
| jreznik | ! | 19:44 |
| liknus | Goal #4 (should be named "Ease of joining" :) | 19:44 |
| liknus | => jreznik | 19:44 |
| jreznik | just a quick note -> voip is nice but there's much bigger language barrier (not for local ones) | 19:45 |
| jreznik | eof | 19:45 |
| liknus | thats why we think that it will be best suited country wise :) | 19:45 |
| liknus | So on Goal # 4 | 19:46 |
| liknus | Ambassadors deal daily with Joining procedures | 19:46 |
| jreznik | #topic GOAL #4: It is extraordinarily easy to join the Fedora community and quickly find a project to work on. (FAmSCo) | 19:46 |
| liknus | One of our main purpose is to facilitate people joining the project (in each subproject) | 19:46 |
| liknus | We think that we can lead this Goal and make sure by the end of 2011 we deliver a barrier-free Joining procedure for each project of fedora | 19:47 |
| kital | ! | 19:47 |
| liknus | We have already tested some approaches on Ambassadors and we think they are good enough to be applied in other projects too | 19:48 |
| liknus | => kital | 19:48 |
| kital | i do not want to dive into details - but i prefer to focus more on mentoring instead on barrier-free | 19:49 |
| kital | just as a side note - i am happy to help with this goal! | 19:49 |
| kital | eof | 19:49 |
| liknus | kital, of course .. I was simply referring on gathering info.. not on letting "anyone join" | 19:49 |
| kital | yep | 19:50 |
| igorps | ! | 19:50 |
| liknus | Also in this spirit we acknowledge that each subproject has its own unique way of working and we understand our organic structure | 19:50 |
| liknus | Still we are confident on finding common steps that can be outlined on the same way | 19:50 |
| liknus | thus, joining another project can be a familiar procedure for each fedora contributor | 19:51 |
| liknus | "Cross joining" or joining multiple projects within Fedora has been always a weird issue, especially in terms of how info is spread within a subproject | 19:52 |
| liknus | => igorps | 19:52 |
| igorps | One point of view is that Ambassadors should be able to identify contributors's profile and guide them to the subproject that best fits their profiles | 19:52 |
| igorps | This an Ambassador role that we need to emphasize a bit more. | 19:52 |
| igorps | For instance Ambassadors can guide new contributors to get in touch with subproject mentors | 19:53 |
| igorps | eof | 19:53 |
| liknus | thanks igorps :) | 19:53 |
| kital | +1 igorps | 19:53 |
| liknus | Summarizing on this one : "Make Ambassadors profiling and help work easier" :) | 19:54 |
| liknus | And I think we are done on this Goal also | 19:54 |
| liknus | Moving on? | 19:54 |
| igorps | +1 | 19:54 |
| spot | +1 | 19:55 |
| jreznik | #topic GOAL #11: Expand global presence of Fedora among users & contributors (FAmSCo) | 19:55 |
| liknus | Goal #11 Expand Global Presence | 19:55 |
| liknus | ok So generally speaking we can see that Fedora Project global-wise (geographically) has two main issues | 19:55 |
| liknus | minimal Africa presence and no APAC wide Events and collaboration of community | 19:56 |
| liknus | (I know that those are generallizations and not totally true and we might also have other issues etc but bare with me) | 19:56 |
| liknus | We envision a process of event planning like this : | 19:57 |
| liknus | Regional FADs (focused on a subject or not) leading up (preparing) FUDCons | 19:57 |
| liknus | For us in order to achive our goal having 4 FUDCons on our respective regions annually is of outmost importance | 19:58 |
| liknus | FADs can lead the way towards it | 19:59 |
| liknus | so in specific: | 19:59 |
| liknus | FAD Ghana is on the way and a couple more FADs in Africa can lead on a FUDCON there | 19:59 |
| liknus | also FUDCON APAC is a must for 2011 and we hope that Board can help on that direction also | 19:59 |
| liknus | (India seems like the place to go by most people I know.. but this can be discussed off-meeting) | 20:00 |
| liknus | Also moving on : regional meetings | 20:00 |
| mizmo | ? | 20:01 |
| liknus | => mizmo | 20:01 |
| mizmo | is FAmSCo already pursuing this issue and if so what additional aid/support would you expect from the rest of the project to the ambassadors to help make it happen | 20:01 |
| mizmo | eof | 20:01 |
| liknus | mizmo, you are referring on FUDCON? | 20:02 |
| mizmo | liknus, no, i'm referring to the goal, expand the global presence of fedora | 20:03 |
| kital | ! | 20:03 |
| liknus | Our main concern is the budget approvals and clearance of Community Architecture team | 20:03 |
| mizmo | liknus, is famsco already pursuing that goal, and if so, what additional support would you expect / need / require to make it a reality if goal #11 was made one of the fedora goals for 2011 | 20:03 |
| mizmo | eof | 20:03 |
| jreznik | => kital | 20:04 |
| liknus | We do, and we are expecting more support on speedy budget decisions | 20:04 |
| kital | i also saw that famsco has the goal for a closer team up with marketing-team will you focus marketing activities together with larger event activities | 20:04 |
| liknus | (many decisions can take up to 3 months to get a response budget-wise) | 20:04 |
| kital | does famsco also consider how much value we get back from our investments in new areas? | 20:05 |
| liknus | FUDCon is currently our biggest approach on events and we might end up on something bigger or different with Marketing team | 20:06 |
| kital | s/values/contributors/ | 20:06 |
| liknus | (discussions are yet to come) | 20:06 |
| kital | just to make sure that they are related to that goal | 20:06 |
| kital | eof | 20:06 |
| liknus | Our investments on new areas had been minimal and we can already see major imporvements | 20:07 |
| liknus | I can state 3 examples : | 20:07 |
| liknus | Australia, Greece and Tunisia | 20:07 |
| kital | you forgott china | 20:07 |
| kital | ;) | 20:07 |
| igorps | I would say Chile as well | 20:08 |
| liknus | China is still to be proven but certainly on the right track | 20:08 |
| liknus | Chile also | 20:08 |
| liknus | So in order to move on with examples like that we need budget and speedy responses on that | 20:08 |
| liknus | Also another point on expansion is the primary usage of fedoracommunity.org | 20:09 |
| liknus | We want it to be finalized and board to pursue the transition of local presences on this domain | 20:09 |
| liknus | (with options of course) | 20:09 |
| liknus | Also have a clear policy on Community Hosting | 20:10 |
| liknus | Finally we will pursue on our side the participation on local LUGs and Groups | 20:10 |
| liknus | Any questions on those points? | 20:11 |
| liknus | (is board taking notes? are you going to discuss on them later?) | 20:11 |
| mizmo | ! | 20:11 |
| jsmith | liknus: Yes, we're taking notes :-) | 20:11 |
| kital | liknus: vizualization always helps | 20:11 |
| kital | http://fedoraproject.org/maps/f14/ | 20:11 |
| kital | https://fedoraproject.org/membership-map/ | 20:11 |
| liknus | thanks kital :) | 20:12 |
| liknus | => mizmo | 20:12 |
| kital | this can help to measure success or failure | 20:12 |
| kital | eof | 20:12 |
| mizmo | i think we'll discuss them afterwards too | 20:12 |
| mizmo | eof | 20:12 |
| * kital has to go sorry ;S | 20:13 | |
| liknus | ok moving on? | 20:13 |
| * liknus waves to kital | 20:13 | |
| spot | liknus: +1 | 20:13 |
| liknus | Goal #12 then | 20:13 |
| jreznik | #topic GOAL #12: Improve education & skill sharing in community (FAmSCo) | 20:14 |
| liknus | we have nothing in particular to add to this goal as FAmSCo, | 20:14 |
| liknus | we do believe though that we can have major beneficial impact by pursuing this goal | 20:15 |
| liknus | especially in terms of recruiting, as it can act as luring point for newcomers | 20:16 |
| jreznik | #info FAmSCo has nothing to add to the goal #12 | 20:16 |
| liknus | An active "Classrooms" initiative will help a lot when we make a point about "skills sharing" in public | 20:17 |
| rockworldmi | liknus:+1 | 20:17 |
| liknus | That being said we as famsco pursue the creation of many Ambassador SOPs, transitioning wiki knowledge to specific SOPs | 20:18 |
| jsmith | liknus: +1 | 20:18 |
| spot | ! | 20:18 |
| liknus | and that was eof for this goal and for FAmSCo input in general | 20:18 |
| liknus | thanks all for listening :) | 20:19 |
| spot | ? | 20:19 |
| liknus | => spot | 20:19 |
| spot | my question (ignore my !) is: Is it possible for FAMSCo to rank these goals by preference? | 20:19 |
| liknus | A rough approach would be : | 20:20 |
| liknus | #11 #4 #1 #3 (tie) #12 | 20:20 |
| liknus | in order of preference | 20:20 |
| liknus | eof | 20:21 |
| jreznik | #info FAmSCo preferences are #11 #4 #1 #3 (tie) #12 (in order of preference) | 20:21 |
| smooge | ? | 20:21 |
| jreznik | => smooge | 20:22 |
| smooge | Just to be clear, are these ones that FAMSCo are going to implement themselves in their area, looking to help project wise, or looking for furhter input. | 20:23 |
| smooge | eof | 20:23 |
| spot | ! | 20:23 |
| liknus | ! | 20:23 |
| jsmith | => spot | 20:24 |
| jsmith | => liknus | 20:24 |
| spot | smooge: thats a very confusing question. We asked FAMSCo to give us feedback on which goals they are most interested in and think they could be involved with. Its a bit early to do that. | 20:25 |
| jsmith | (and then we'll come back to spot) | 20:25 |
| spot | eof | 20:25 |
| smooge | ! | 20:25 |
| smooge | or ? | 20:25 |
| jreznik | => liknus | 20:25 |
| liknus | Agreed with spot .. we are willing to head some action items , but we can discuss that when actions are finallized | 20:25 |
| liknus | just consider us open and available for some major help :) | 20:26 |
| liknus | eof | 20:26 |
| jreznik | => smooge | 20:26 |
| smooge | my apologies.. I lost track somewhere in the discussion as we got feedback and then project ideas. | 20:26 |
| spot | ! | 20:26 |
| smooge | I was trying to get an idea of what we were to discuss afterworsds. | 20:26 |
| smooge | eof | 20:26 |
| jreznik | => spot | 20:27 |
| spot | to liknus and FAMSCo, thanks for your work here. I hope you are as excited about this new approach as we are. | 20:27 |
| spot | eof | 20:27 |
| jreznik | spot: +1, thanks FAmSCo for sharing their ideas! | 20:28 |
| liknus | We are :) thanks for letting us express that :) We will be with you on all the process | 20:28 |
| mizmo | ! | 20:28 |
| jreznik | => mizmo | 20:29 |
| mizmo | im wondering about the board's next steps now | 20:29 |
| mizmo | would it be worth a quick discussion? | 20:29 |
| spot | ! | 20:30 |
| * liknus will be here the whole meeting so feel free to ask me anything else or just move on | 20:30 | |
| mizmo | i think we should note FAmSCo's support of the goals, enumerate their specific ideas under each goal, and then document that so when we review the info we've been gathering to whittle down the goals it'll be readily available | 20:30 |
| mizmo | eof | 20:30 |
| spot | mizmo: +1 | 20:30 |
| jsmith | mizmo: +1 | 20:30 |
| jreznik | mizmo: +1 for documenting FAmSCo goals | 20:30 |
| jreznik | work for me today | 20:30 |
| jreznik | => spot | 20:30 |
| spot | jreznik: mizmo basically said what i was going to, except that the next step is to hear what FESCo thinks, and to remind FESCo that we want their feedback from the list of 15, rather than the "5" | 20:31 |
| spot | eof | 20:31 |
| jsmith | spot: +1 | 20:31 |
| jreznik | ! | 20:32 |
| jreznik | I agree with feedback for all goals + more goals | 20:33 |
| jreznik | but we want to know what they prefere (and order of preference) | 20:33 |
| jreznik | eof | 20:33 |
| spot | jreznik: +1 | 20:35 |
| spot | ! | 20:35 |
| jreznik | => spot | 20:35 |
| spot | jreznik: my point was more that I wanted FESCo to pick their own top five, without assuming that the board's "five" are their set. :) | 20:35 |
| spot | not that i'm implying that FAMSCo did that, just wanted to avoid any issue of bias/taint. | 20:36 |
| spot | eof | 20:36 |
| liknus | (we did partially, but *really* those are the goals we also think should be top-5) | 20:36 |
| liknus | (possibly top 4 removing the last one) | 20:36 |
| * liknus is sorry for not keeping the meeting protocol | 20:37 | |
| * liknus goes into lurk mode | 20:37 | |
| jsmith | liknus: You're OK :-) | 20:37 |
| mizmo | ! | 20:38 |
| jreznik | => mizmo | 20:38 |
| mizmo | hi i just wanted to suggest we end the meeting now, we're at 1 hour 40 min at this point. i think we've covered pretty much everything, so great job | 20:39 |
| spot | mizmo: +1 | 20:39 |
| jsmith | +1 | 20:40 |
| jreznik | mizmo: +1 | 20:40 |
| jsmith | Thanks again everyone for your comments and your participation! | 20:40 |
| gholms | Thanks, folks! | 20:40 |
| abadger1999 | Thanks to famsco | 20:40 |
| abadger1999 | and liknus for representing htem :-) | 20:40 |
| jreznik | ok, thanks all! | 20:40 |
| jreznik | #endmeeting | 20:41 |
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