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04 Jun 2008 FDSCo Meeting Minutes
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| * couf here | 15:02 | |
| * stickster here | 15:03 | |
| * quaid is here | 15:04 | |
| quaid | distraction jackson | 15:04 |
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| * Sparks is here | 15:05 | |
| quaid | ok then | 15:06 |
| * Sparks just got home | 15:06 | |
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| * stickster looks for his relnotes howto | 15:06 | |
| quaid | <meeting> | 15:07 |
| quaid | [">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting] | 15:07 |
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| -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo stuff -- Follow-up on leadership discussion [">http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-May/msg00126.html] | 15:08 | |
| stickster | Holy moley, look at that wiki scream | 15:08 |
| * jsmith-teaching is half-watching while teaching | 15:08 | |
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| quaid | so, any questions ?? | 15:09 |
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| stickster | streamlining == good for this subproject. | 15:10 |
| Sparks | +1 | 15:10 |
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| stickster | quaid: So is this really a proposal of "all for one, one for all" | 15:12 |
| stickster | ? | 15:12 |
| quaid | um, what? | 15:12 |
| quaid | three musketeers? | 15:12 |
| stickster | heh | 15:12 |
| stickster | Maybe eighteen musketeers if we're lucky! | 15:12 |
| quaid | ok,sure | 15:12 |
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| couf | +1 to the proposal | 15:12 |
| couf | it feels like this is how it should happen, not to strict but still have something in place | 15:14 |
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| stickster | Sorry, phone call took me away, back now. | 15:18 |
| * quaid has a visitor passing through, sorry | 15:18 | |
| quaid | ok, so no discussion on that topic is OK | 15:18 |
| stickster | yeah, I think no one has a problem with it. | 15:18 |
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| quaid | since some pplweren't here last week, just making sure we gave room to discuss | 15:18 |
| -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo is a meetin' -- release notes 9.0.2-1 [">https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-May/msg00030.html] | 15:20 | |
| stickster | So mdious did the POT fixin' and push for this | 15:20 |
| quaid | ok | 15:20 |
| quaid | so task is done? | 15:20 |
| quaid | anything more on that topic? | 15:20 |
| stickster | Not quite | 15:21 |
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| couf | just needs rpm creation and publishing | 15:21 |
| stickster | Needs an SRPM rolled and imported to package CVS | 15:21 |
| stickster | and a build and push | 15:21 |
| stickster | I can do that, but as part of the process I want to document what I'm doing and put that in a wiki page | 15:21 |
| stickster | Because someone else will be doing it in Fedora 10. | 15:21 |
| stickster | I thought I had done at least half of it already, but I can't seem to find the page on the current wiki :-\ | 15:22 |
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| couf | I can handle publishing to docs.fp.o | 15:24 |
| stickster | Thanks couf | 15:24 |
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| couf | move on? | 15:24 |
| stickster | I'm ok with that... this is "in progress" | 15:26 |
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| -!- couf changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo is a meetin' -- Wiki gardening redux | 15:27 | |
| quaid | thx | 15:27 |
| * quaid sends his visitor off :) | 15:27 | |
| quaid | btw, we have some new contributors who have been really helping clean up and progress the new wiki | 15:28 |
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| quaid | so far I've definitely noticed cyberpear_, anubis, and kylev doing a lot | 15:28 |
| couf | awesome | 15:28 |
| quaid | also some Ambassadors have been cleaning up those pages, etc. | 15:29 |
| stickster | I saw cyberpear come by here, I thought | 15:29 |
| quaid | I don't think this is coincidentaly | 15:29 |
| quaid | popularity and ease of mediawiki does help | 15:29 |
| Sparks | +1 | 15:29 |
| quaid | and smokin' speed! | 15:29 |
| stickster | Hopefully the new wiki's much faster response time and consistent "up-ness" is a big help | 15:29 |
| stickster | ha, *jinx | 15:29 |
| stickster | And mmcgrath tells me this isn't the end state, it's just "good enough" for right now -- there will be additional tuning later. | 15:29 |
| quaid | word | 15:29 |
| stickster | All hail Fedora Infrastructure!!! | 15:30 |
| quaid | so, we continued to discuss Namespaces and Categories after last week's meeting | 15:31 |
| quaid | and so far, Namespaces are good for e.g. QA: with 1000 test plans | 15:31 |
| quaid | when you want to separate content from the default search space, basically. | 15:31 |
| quaid | cats on the other hand our near and dear friends | 15:31 |
| couf | I've been wondering if this could be a solution for wiki-L10N as well | 15:31 |
| quaid | with all docs on the flat namespace wiki/Doc_Name | 15:31 |
| couf | having <lang>:.... | 15:31 |
| quaid | couf: "they say" the solution is in parallel wiki installs,apparently | 15:31 |
| quaid | couf: but I have seen that proposed in the meta.mediawiki.org pages about namespace, as a l10n solution | 15:31 |
| couf | yeah, I know, but as a current solution | 15:31 |
| couf | really? | 15:31 |
| stickster | Hm, weird | 15:33 |
| quaid | [">http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace#Prefixes_in_various_languages] | 15:33 |
| quaid | sorry, not that one | 15:33 |
| quaid | [">http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace#Custom_namespaces] | 15:33 |
| quaid | that one | 15:33 |
| couf | ah interesting | 15:34 |
| quaid | oh, weird, I read that wrong i guess | 15:34 |
| quaid | Sparks: did you have any follow-up from last week on categories, orphan pages, or better structure for | 15:35 |
| quaid | DocsProject? | 15:35 |
| quaid | and my general question ... | 15:35 |
| quaid | where should we get all this naming and categorizing written down? | 15:35 |
| quaid | Help: | 15:35 |
| quaid | Help:Editing or a ne wpage? | 15:35 |
| stickster | hm. | 15:35 |
| Sparks | Hmmm | 15:35 |
| Sparks | I was just thinking about that... | 15:36 |
| couf | Help:WikiStructure | 15:36 |
| Sparks | What if... | 15:36 |
| couf | linked from Help:Editing | 15:36 |
| Sparks | we have multiple "standardized" categories and provide links to those cats from the DocsProject page | 15:37 |
| Sparks | The cats I would use would be "Documentation" "Draft Documentation" | 15:37 |
| Sparks | Any others? | 15:37 |
| Sparks | Of course any large guide could have a cat to itself to link all the pages together | 15:37 |
| Sparks | I think it should be off a Help: page and linked from the Docs Project page | 15:37 |
| Sparks | eof | 15:38 |
| quaid | +1 | 15:39 |
| quaid | I actually put something in Category:DocumentationDraft this week :) | 15:39 |
| Sparks | That works too | 15:39 |
| quaid | the Bodhi_Guide iirc | 15:39 |
| Sparks | as long as it makes sense to the end user | 15:39 |
| quaid | hmm | 15:39 |
| quaid | not too late to fix that | 15:39 |
| Sparks | True | 15:39 |
| quaid | any vote on the order here? | 15:39 |
| quaid | yours does read more naturally | 15:39 |
| Sparks | We can do that in MW now... | 15:39 |
| Sparks | And then there is the orphan pages... but I'll let everyone comment before we move on | 15:41 |
| quaid | any opinions? | 15:41 |
| Sparks | any other categories that would be needed? | 15:42 |
| couf | are we talking in general for the whole wiki, or just for docs? | 15:43 |
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| Sparks | couf: Just for docs | 15:43 |
| Sparks | couf: There will probably be hundreds of cats wiki wide | 15:43 |
| couf | okay, so we'll use these 3 them: DocsProject Documentation and Draft Documentation | 15:43 |
| couf | ? | 15:43 |
| quaid | yeah | 15:43 |
| quaid | Draft_Documentation | 15:43 |
| quaid | cool | 15:43 |
| Sparks | Unless anyone can think of any others that would be needed | 15:43 |
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| quaid | not now, we'll grow as we go if needed | 15:44 |
| couf | we should put a link to Documenation from docs.fp.o | 15:45 |
| quaid | so oprhans ... | 15:45 |
| quaid | couf: +1 | 15:45 |
| Sparks | quaid: the cats can have spaces... | 15:45 |
| quaid | Sparks: aye +1 spaces | 15:45 |
| Sparks | orphans | 15:45 |
| Sparks | Hmmm... | 15:45 |
| Sparks | So that is a tricky subject. | 15:45 |
| Sparks | I think everything in the wiki should be linked to a higher project. | 15:45 |
| quaid | ok, I moved it to Category:Draft Documentation | 15:45 |
| Sparks | But, as you stated last week, what if you have a page that is linked to outside the wiki | 15:45 |
| quaid | right, it can only be one of the ways to value a page | 15:45 |
| * quaid was denied his move :( | 15:46 | |
| quaid | can't move a Special: namespace item or something | 15:47 |
| Sparks | Hmmm | 15:47 |
| Sparks | So, I'm going to try to look at the orphans this afternoon and see if some of them can be moved to a better home. | 15:47 |
| quaid | sure, I bet we can do a lot with that | 15:49 |
| Sparks | We might be missing something and not know it. | 15:49 |
| Sparks | I know I found quite a bit of information that I'd like to pull into the security guide | 15:49 |
| quaid | ok | 15:49 |
| quaid | so, we're going to put *all* this wiki structure stuff in | 15:50 |
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| quaid | Help:WikiStructure | 15:50 |
| quaid | ? | 15:51 |
| quaid | link it from Help:Editing | 15:51 |
| quaid | and maybe announce that a bit | 15:51 |
| quaid | anyone feel like they can take on the first stab at Help:WikiStructure? | 15:51 |
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| * Sparks can start on it | 15:51 | |
| quaid | that would be great, thx | 15:51 |
| * quaid loves how you can watch a page that doesn't exist yet | 15:51 | |
| Sparks | Ha! | 15:51 |
| quaid | any more on this topic? | 15:51 |
| quaid | ok then | 15:53 |
| -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo -- content to handle | 15:53 | |
| quaid | so last week Sparks said the Security Guide is ready to publish | 15:53 |
| Sparks | ? | 15:53 |
| quaid | sorry, did I get that wrong? | 15:53 |
| Sparks | Ummm... no... but.... | 15:53 |
| quaid | "part of it" | 15:53 |
| Sparks | A few weeks ago I thought we diminished the use of the CVS over keeping things in the wiki. | 15:53 |
| Sparks | Is that still true or are we going to be pushing stuff over to CVS? | 15:55 |
| quaid | well, we decided two things:L | 15:55 |
| quaid | 1. If it is ready for DocBook XML, it needs a fedorahosted.org space | 15:55 |
| quaid | 2. It is OK to have some content that doesn't leave the wiki, or stays in the wiki and leaves later | 15:55 |
| quaid | because if we could just figure out how to l10n the wiki with Transifex, we remove a large reason for XML | 15:55 |
| quaid | my vote on the SEc Guide is | 15:55 |
| quaid | it could go to XML, but that's a lot of work for something that we aren't necc. going to invite translations to since it is going to evovle rapidly | 15:55 |
| quaid | so why not have it in the wiki now, grow it, and see where it is as we get to F10 | 15:55 |
| couf | +1 | 15:57 |
| Sparks | +1 | 15:57 |
| quaid | maybe plan on having a full-guide alpha release with F10 Alpha | 15:57 |
| quaid | ok, now how that looks, with draft and non-draft content ... | 15:57 |
| quaid | maybe we have a {{draft}} template at the top of all draft pages | 15:57 |
| quaid | and not worry about it, because it will have some use as we proceed. | 15:57 |
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| Sparks | I think we already do | 15:59 |
| Sparks | I got a change on one of my pages that looked like that | 15:59 |
| quaid | yep | 15:59 |
| quaid | ok, we're out of time! | 15:59 |
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| * spevack boots quaid :) | 15:59 | |
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| quaid | </meeting> | 15:59 |