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| quaid | <meeting id="Docs team"> | 11:01 |
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| -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs mtg -- say hello :) | 11:02 | |
| quaid | hello | 11:02 |
| jjmcd | bonjour | 11:02 |
| kirkz | quaid: hi | 11:02 |
| * laubersm is here | 11:03 | |
| stickster | quaid: Is Sparks here for this one? I'm behind on email, sorry. | 11:03 |
| * stickster can't be 100% here either, unfortch | 11:03 | |
| * lcafiero is here | 11:03 | |
| quaid | stickster: he asked me to cover this mtg for him | 11:04 |
| stickster | OK, gotcha | 11:04 |
| quaid | he's in an all-day at $2ork | 11:04 |
| stickster | Just curious, no problem | 11:04 |
| quaid | yeah, there 2 | 11:04 |
| quaid | ok, he left me some agenda items iirc | 11:04 |
| laubersm | a new meeting time was a big one | 11:05 |
| quaid | Docs_Project_Steering_Committee_meetings#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting | 11:05 |
| quaid | yep | 11:05 |
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| -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs_Project_Steering_Committee_meetings#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting :::: meeting time change | 11:05 | |
| quaid | I would guess | 11:05 |
| quaid | that if you haven't put your name in hereL | 11:05 |
| quaid | FDSCo_meeting_matrix | 11:05 |
| quaid | then you don't care what time it is? | 11:06 |
| quaid | or you are choosing to not be a gating facter | 11:06 |
| * quaid tries ways to be fair | 11:06 | |
| * laubersm thinks decisions are made by those that show up (and proxy counts) | 11:06 | |
| quaid | we have one block that gets five ppl | 11:06 |
| quaid | sorry, two | 11:07 |
| jjmcd | Except I would lean towards something ryanlerch can make eve if he isn't ususally here now | 11:07 |
| quaid | jjmcd: we would need to know what he can make | 11:07 |
| quaid | jjmcd: did he not put his name on there because he's available all day in BNE? | 11:07 |
| jjmcd | I dunno, seems like Sparks talked to him but I don't know the outcome | 11:08 |
| quaid | which would mean Thursday 00:00 (is that really Wednesday my time?) | 11:08 |
| laubersm | quaid: yes | 11:08 |
| jjmcd | yeh | 11:08 |
| quaid | tricky bugger that | 11:08 |
| laubersm | Thur 00:00 is PST 4pm Wed according to my printout here | 11:09 |
| laubersm | which is EST 7pm | 11:09 |
| quaid | yeppers, I remember why I approved that one for me, I was sure I could do it with the major royal screw-up that is daylight savings time adjustments | 11:09 |
| jjmcd | Yeah, I had to extend all my normal meetings an hour to find holes that would straddle time changes | 11:10 |
| laubersm | what time is that for RL? | 11:11 |
| jjmcd | Probably some time tuesday, who knows | 11:11 |
| * laubersm has a chart just for US time zones | 11:11 | |
| laubersm | I had added myself to the popular Sat time (Fri night for me) but I still keep hoping that I'll get a life | 11:12 |
| laubersm | (and I don't just mean Fri nights in the airport) | 11:12 |
| jjmcd | GMT+11 so 11 AM | 11:12 |
| quaid | BNE is +1000 | 11:12 |
| quaid | oh, OK | 11:12 |
| quaid | so that's Thursday around elevenses | 11:13 |
| jjmcd | yeah, or maybe 10 depending on the season | 11:13 |
| jjmcd | But not sleeping probably unless too late in the bar | 11:13 |
| quaid | since we can all technically be here around that time this afternoon, let's ping ryanlerch and make sure it works for him. | 11:13 |
| * laubersm thinks that sounds a lot like the outcome of last week's discussion... | 11:14 | |
| jjmcd | Yeah, except I think Sparks did talk with him | 11:15 |
| laubersm | +1 for Thurs 00:00 UTC - put it out on the list and revisit if there is an explosion | 11:16 |
| jjmcd | Sounds like a plan to me | 11:16 |
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| quaid | word | 11:17 |
| laubersm | hmm... Damiels isn't in the THur list either... re Users Guide. | 11:17 |
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| laubersm | well hopefully he can make it some of the time (college schedule and all) | 11:17 |
| quaid | good point | 11:17 |
| quaid | right, we're working on a schedule that mayn't change for a while | 11:18 |
| quaid | in fact, this time here has been steady for several years iirc | 11:18 |
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| quaid | I see he is avail one hour before | 11:18 |
| quaid | maybe we can start the meeting :15 early :) | 11:18 |
| quaid | I've tried two hour meeting windows for just that reason before, which didn't work out so hot. | 11:19 |
| laubersm | I like the maybe we can start early thing - | 11:19 |
| laubersm | he is also good about sending a proxy (email) | 11:19 |
| quaid | yep | 11:19 |
| laubersm | and his schedule might change with the semesters | 11:19 |
| * quaid looks at Fedora_meeting_channel | 11:20 | |
| quaid | looks good for keeping this channel | 11:20 |
| quaid | the EPEL slot is not used I reckon | 11:21 |
| * quaid being on that steering committee and not meeting at that time that he can recall, or he is just lame | 11:21 | |
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| * laubersm notes the EPEL page says Mon 15:00 UTC | 11:22 | |
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| jjmcd | hey speak of the devil | 11:22 |
| * danielsmw looks around | 11:22 | |
| * laubersm points at danielsmw | 11:22 | |
| * danielsmw hides in the corner from... something? | 11:23 | |
| laubersm | danielsmw: We are talking about new meeting times | 11:23 |
| danielsmw | Oh! | 11:23 |
| danielsmw | Okay. | 11:23 |
| laubersm | Thus 00:00 is leading the pack | 11:23 |
| laubersm | Thurs | 11:23 |
| Jeff_S | laubersm: EPEL never seems to meet at that time... we were going to look into changing it (again) :) | 11:23 |
| laubersm | danielsmw: But you are not listed in that block as available | 11:23 |
| danielsmw | um.... | 11:23 |
| danielsmw | well, let's see. | 11:23 |
| quaid | Jeff_S: yeah, I'd like to help us get back on track there | 11:24 |
| danielsmw | 00:00 = 7 PM EST, right? | 11:24 |
| laubersm | danielsmw: That is Wed 7pm Eastern | 11:24 |
| Jeff_S | quaid: me too :) | 11:24 |
| danielsmw | right | 11:24 |
| danielsmw | um... | 11:24 |
| danielsmw | That's do-able. | 11:24 |
| danielsmw | It's not as convenient as other times, but I can make that work. | 11:24 |
| * laubersm cheers | 11:24 | |
| jjmcd | well, 7PM for a few more days | 11:24 |
| danielsmw | If that's the will of the party. | 11:24 |
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| laubersm | hmm jjmcd is right - 7pm standard time - 8pm daylight savings time which starts soon | 11:25 |
| * laubersm thinks it is spring forward and fall back | 11:25 | |
| danielsmw | That sounds right | 11:26 |
| jjmcd | yep which makes it 8 | 11:26 |
| * jjmcd thinks we are far too technological a society to be worshiping the sun god anyway | 11:26 | |
| laubersm | beginning Mar 8 | 11:27 |
| quaid | jjmcd: or we could just give up on our silly artificial conventions and go back to worshipping the sun god, either way | 11:27 |
| danielsmw | so 00:00 UTC starting March 8th? | 11:27 |
| quaid | yes | 11:27 |
| danielsmw | March 8th UTC? | 11:27 |
| danielsmw | Oh right, that's DST. | 11:28 |
| danielsmw | Okay. | 11:28 |
| laubersm | 00:00 on Thursdays starting - ????? | 11:28 |
| laubersm | March is when that the time changes | 11:28 |
| quaid | oh dear | 11:28 |
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| quaid | but that's the way it is | 11:28 |
| laubersm | when thinking local clock | 11:28 |
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| quaid | last open question was. | 11:29 |
| laubersm | quaid: new meeting time next week? or the following (after the EST->EDT change) | 11:29 |
| quaid | are we going to start a few minutes early? or 0000 is OK? | 11:29 |
| jjmcd | I'm for dividing the year into 100 days and the day into 100 hours and stop all this 7/24/28/29/30/31 nonsense | 11:29 |
| danielsmw | good call jjmcd | 11:29 |
| danielsmw | metric for the win. | 11:29 |
| jjmcd | Until Mar 8 I can only be a few minutes early. After that don't matter | 11:30 |
| nirik | jjmcd: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time | 11:30 |
| jjmcd | danielsmw: if we did it right we might even get rid of the leap second | 11:30 |
| * laubersm notices we are once again too distracted.... | 11:31 | |
| danielsmw | I mean, look, do we really need to base years on the seasons? | 11:31 |
| danielsmw | I say we just reboot at year 0 and base it off a physical constant | 11:31 |
| danielsmw | Anyway, yeah | 11:31 |
| * quaid notes that much of the world does care about the seasons intimately | 11:31 | |
| danielsmw | sorry laubersm | 11:31 |
| quaid | let us not forget that as we sit in our wee towers :) | 11:31 |
| quaid | how about this: | 11:31 |
| quaid | put in your vote for start new time at 8 march or 15 march | 11:32 |
| * quaid 8 march | 11:32 | |
| laubersm | wait | 11:32 |
| laubersm | Mar 8 is a Sunday | 11:32 |
| jjmcd | So Mar 11 or 18 | 11:32 |
| jjmcd | 11 | 11:32 |
| * laubersm Thurs March 12 00:00 UTC | 11:33 | |
| jjmcd | yes, exactly | 11:33 |
| laubersm | I think we are all agreeing on the week at least :) | 11:33 |
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| quaid | sorry | 11:33 |
| * quaid blames the flu | 11:34 | |
| jjmcd | excuses, excuses | 11:34 |
| * laubersm is almost over it | 11:34 | |
| quaid | umm, what about 4 Mar then? | 11:34 |
| jjmcd | 4 mar 1900 or 5 mar 0000? I could go either way | 11:35 |
| laubersm | I would say just skip a week - but feature freeze is next week so I guess we should meet | 11:35 |
| quaid | we should | 11:35 |
| quaid | sorry, let's do this right, give me a moment: | 11:35 |
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| quaid | vote 5 Mar 0000, or | 11:35 |
| quaid | vote 12 Mar 0000, or | 11:36 |
| quaid | vote 19 Mar 0000 | 11:36 |
| quaid | right? | 11:36 |
| * quaid votes 5 Mar | 11:36 | |
| * laubersm 5 Mar 0000 | 11:36 | |
| * danielsmw Abstains | 11:36 | |
| jjmcd | 5 mar 0000 | 11:37 |
| kirkz | 5 mar | 11:38 |
| quaid | ok then | 11:39 |
| quaid | we'll start next week | 11:39 |
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| quaid | and with that ... | 11:39 |
| -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs mtg :::: Wiki page changes | 11:39 | |
| quaid | I'm guessing we'd love to hear what laubersm has been up to? | 11:40 |
| laubersm | Progress is being made | 11:40 |
| laubersm | 11:40 | |
| laubersm | I can finish up the docsproject.psv list by tomorrow - but I don't mind letting someone else do the | 11:40 |
| laubersm | cut and paste work | 11:40 |
| laubersm | most are in the categories now | 11:41 |
| laubersm | (don't forget to look in the sub cats) | 11:41 |
| laubersm | but a bunch still need someone to use the "move" tab | 11:41 |
| laubersm | Then we need to clean up the remaining content to be usable | 11:42 |
| laubersm | This step took care of names, categories, and an initial pass at archiving | 11:42 |
| quaid | how hard was it? | 11:43 |
| laubersm | hard? not at all | 11:43 |
| laubersm | boring? eye crossing? tedious? | 11:43 |
| jjmcd | just tedious | 11:44 |
| * laubersm wishes wikibot could have done it. | 11:44 | |
| * quaid agrees, sadly | 11:44 | |
| laubersm | quaid: you did the hard part - filtering out what to archive, what to name, and what categories | 11:44 |
| quaid | but we did get one new value. | 11:44 |
| quaid | we know that if we expect people to rename their pages | 11:44 |
| jjmcd | But there were a lot of category issues we would have missed had we just done wikibot | 11:45 |
| quaid | they will not do it by hand and we need wikibot :) | 11:45 |
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| laubersm | There are still plenty of pages to be cleaned up - in and out of docs | 11:45 |
| quaid | jjmcd: after cleaning up the PSV? | 11:45 |
| quaid | or you mean, existing categories on pages? | 11:45 |
| jjmcd | I didn't update the psv | 11:45 |
| jjmcd | Some obvious categories missing on psv | 11:46 |
| * quaid meant all the case mistakes he made in the categories in the PSV ref. cleaning up | 11:46 | |
| quaid | presuming a clean PSV to start, what would wikibot have missed for us? | 11:46 |
| laubersm | I cleanup up the the archive -> archives and a few of the case things | 11:46 |
| laubersm | there were not many left | 11:46 |
| laubersm | quaid: I think wikibot would have been fine after another proofreading of the psv file | 11:47 |
| jjmcd | Yes, if one could get brain engaged reading psv | 11:48 |
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| laubersm | I'm working on getting StabbyMc to take a stab at the Events/ and FedoraEvents/ pages | 11:49 |
| quaid | cool, that's good | 11:49 |
| laubersm | (no that he has left) | 11:49 |
| quaid | laubersm: wow | 11:49 |
| quaid | that would be cool | 11:49 |
| quaid | yeah, we need FedoraEvents as a URL to disappear | 11:49 |
| laubersm | marketing has started their pages | 11:50 |
| laubersm | package maintainers is basically done | 11:50 |
| laubersm | packaging drafts is getting there | 11:50 |
| laubersm | but the event stuff showing up in searches for new users and contributors would be really good | 11:52 |
| quaid | coo' | 11:52 |
| quaid | wiki gardening lives! | 11:52 |
| quaid | anything more or time to bug ke4qqq? | 11:52 |
| * laubersm has been done | 11:53 | |
| quaid | and are we in fact gating on ke4qqq to make more progress on the CMS? | 11:53 |
| * quaid said 'gating'! argh! | 11:53 | |
| quaid | don't think anyone here can answer, huh? | 11:54 |
| quaid | abadger1999: ping | 11:54 |
| abadger1999 | quaid: pong | 11:54 |
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| itbegins_ | i am here | 11:55 |
| abadger1999 | I think that's the case. itbegins, you talked to ke4qqq last. | 11:55 |
| abadger1999 | We're just waiting on packaging? | 11:55 |
| itbegins_ | i am waiting on packaging before i can reinstall the test instance | 11:55 |
| quaid | he's made progress, but what I really mean is ... | 11:55 |
| quaid | can we be making progress without packages? | 11:55 |
| quaid | ok, I see | 11:55 |
| quaid | could the Docs people be entering stuff in that survives the reinstall? | 11:56 |
| itbegins_ | the only areas i have to really deal with are theme/design and the dics build script | 11:56 |
| quaid | can someone be working on the final tweaks to the CSS? | 11:56 |
| quaid | ok | 11:56 |
| quaid | do you need help with the theme? | 11:56 |
| itbegins_ | the database will survive packaging, so yes | 11:56 |
| quaid | we have Websites/Design people with CSS experience. | 11:56 |
| itbegins_ | design is not my strongpoint, but I can probably handle a simple port | 11:57 |
| quaid | abadger1999: what do you think about us entering stuff? we could be getting used to using it for publishing? | 11:57 |
| itbegins_ | if you want changes, getting the design people to handle it might be a good plan | 11:57 |
| quaid | itbegins_: if you have any questions, feel free to use fedora-websites-list | 11:57 |
| quaid | nah, we want to look like Fedora | 11:57 |
| quaid | and it's probably worth showing your CSS to -websites-l | 11:57 |
| itbegins_ | might be worth it anyway, so they are familiar with the new system?... | 11:57 |
| quaid | mduffy has some good ideas on how to nest the CSS, or something | 11:58 |
| quaid | itbegins_: peripherally, they should be aware | 11:58 |
| itbegins_ | Sorry, slow to type, on mobile | 11:58 |
| abadger1999 | quaid: Probably be okay..... We would need to dump the test db and reload it on the production mysql server when we do a real deploy. | 11:58 |
| quaid | abadger1999: sure, that was what I meant :) ... if that's likely safe enough ... | 11:59 |
| abadger1999 | permissions are stored in the same db? | 11:59 |
| itbegins_ | ok, well Ill see what I can do about finishing the css, and Ill chase progress on the build script | 11:59 |
| quaid | itbegins_: we can discuss on list when it's safest for Docs people to start actually doing stuff to populate with structure and content. | 11:59 |
| itbegins_ | abadger1999: yes, access control and content are all the same db | 11:59 |
| quaid | s/on list/on docs list/ | 11:59 |
| abadger1999 | Can we dump the docs but not the permissions and reload those in the new db? Or will that mess up authorship and such? | 11:59 |
| itbegins_ | abadger1999: shouldn't be a problem, providin,g we dont dump user records | 12:00 |
| quaid | jjmcd: if you 've got a second, can you say a quick update on the release notes for the IRC log | 12:00 |
| jjmcd | OK | 12:00 |
| abadger1999 | itbegins_: I think we can live with that. | 12:00 |
| jjmcd | Been a little slow past week here - computer probls | 12:00 |
| jjmcd | I need some help with F10 update | 12:01 |
| jjmcd | Otherwise not a lot of news really, plugging along | 12:01 |
| itbegins_ | ok, Ill duck out now, supposed to be sitting at a restaurant table... | 12:01 |
| quaid | itbegins_: :) | 12:01 |
| quaid | jjmcd: do you all have a recruitment plan for Beats? or something like that? | 12:01 |
| quaid | in my experience, getting a wide range of valuable content from the real sources is the hardest nut to crack. | 12:02 |
| quaid | jjmcd: I'm available to help you with F10 update, if anybody | 12:02 |
| jjmcd | Not a plan, am doing some recruiting but more or less andom | 12:02 |
| quaid | ok, when we see ryanlerch later let's ask him what he thinks and etc.? | 12:02 |
| jjmcd | but a strategy would be a good thing | 12:02 |
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| quaid | ok,we're over the clock | 12:02 |
| quaid | I think there is a mtg here and time to move on anyway | 12:03 |
| jjmcd | (onna phone with some pretty strange stuff) | 12:03 |
| quaid | if there is anything more for the record .... | 12:03 |
| * quaid counts down | 12:03 | |
| quaid | 5 | 12:03 |
| quaid | 4 | 12:03 |
| quaid | 3 | 12:03 |
| quaid | 2 | 12:03 |
| quaid | 1 | 12:03 |
| quaid | </meeting> | 12:03 |
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