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| Sparks | Roll Call! | Mar 04 19:00 |
| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings | Mar 04 19:00 | |
| *laubersm is here | Mar 04 19:00 | |
| *danielsmw is here | Mar 04 19:00 | |
| *Sparks is here | Mar 04 19:00 | |
| jjmcd | est ici | Mar 04 19:00 |
| *radsy here | Mar 04 19:01 | |
| radsy | i'm awake for this one! | Mar 04 19:01 |
| Sparks | radsy: That was one of the reasons for moving the meeting time! | Mar 04 19:01 |
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| *ryanlerch is here | Mar 04 19:03 | |
| ryanlerch | sorry for being late... | Mar 04 19:03 |
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| ianweller | oh hai | Mar 04 19:03 |
| Sparks | ryanlerch: Well don't worry about it. You only missed the first three minutes of the meeting... | Mar 04 19:03 |
| *ianweller is here | Mar 04 19:03 | |
| Sparks | ... where we discussed putting you in charge of everything | Mar 04 19:04 |
| jjmcd | is ke4qqq actually here | Mar 04 19:04 |
| ryanlerch | lol | Mar 04 19:04 |
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| Sparks | Okay, first I'd like to apologize for my absence over the past couple of weeks... | Mar 04 19:04 |
| *ianweller steals Sparks's gavel and hits the table with it | Mar 04 19:04 | |
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| Sparks | between $DAYJOB and being sick the last few days I haven't been with it. | Mar 04 19:05 |
| Sparks | And did I mention that my primary computer did it's biannual X failure? | Mar 04 19:05 |
| Sparks | enough about all that... on with the show. | Mar 04 19:05 |
| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Wiki ticket approval <-- ianweller | Mar 04 19:05 | |
| Sparks | ianweller: You needed guidance? | Mar 04 19:05 |
| ianweller | oh yes | Mar 04 19:06 |
| ianweller | .tiny https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-wiki/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&group=milestone&keywords=~FDSCo&order=priority | Mar 04 19:06 |
| zodbot | ianweller: http://tinyurl.com/ccdbpp | Mar 04 19:06 |
| ianweller | i'm gonna go down the list real quick | Mar 04 19:06 |
| ianweller | ticket 2: Packaging mass page rename | Mar 04 19:06 |
| ianweller | laubersm: what's the status on that? | Mar 04 19:06 |
| laubersm | ready to go | Mar 04 19:07 |
| Sparks | Did we get the bot working? | Mar 04 19:07 |
| ianweller | k i'll see what i can do with wikibot. i may just need to work w/o nigel's patches to pywikipedia bot | Mar 04 19:07 |
| laubersm | I don't have permission to touch those manually but abadger and spot said go for it | Mar 04 19:07 |
| ianweller | laubersm: i don't have permission either :/ | Mar 04 19:07 |
| laubersm | the psv has old name | new name | Mar 04 19:07 |
| ianweller | which is oddly funny | Mar 04 19:07 |
| ianweller | anywho moving on | Mar 04 19:07 |
| ianweller | Docs Project mass rename | Mar 04 19:07 |
| ianweller | laubersm: status? :) | Mar 04 19:08 |
| laubersm | done | Mar 04 19:08 |
| *ianweller sets as 'fixed' | Mar 04 19:08 | |
| *jjmcd applauds laubersm | Mar 04 19:08 | |
| laubersm | but that one did not cover all the Docs/* and Docs/Drafts pages so we still need a little work on that | Mar 04 19:08 |
| ianweller | ticket 5: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-wiki/ticket/5 Help page when a search fails is blank | Mar 04 19:08 |
| ianweller | laubersm: ok. we'll get to that when it comes | Mar 04 19:08 |
| ianweller | can i ask someone to take ticket 5 and work on it? | Mar 04 19:09 |
| Sparks | yes, you can. | Mar 04 19:09 |
| Sparks | :) | Mar 04 19:09 |
| ianweller | s/ask/force/ | Mar 04 19:09 |
| Sparks | yes, you can (just not me) | Mar 04 19:09 |
| *ianweller points at ryanlerch | Mar 04 19:09 | |
| ianweller | i'll see if i can rope someone into that later. moving on. | Mar 04 19:10 |
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| laubersm | It is just writing the help page? | Mar 04 19:10 |
| ianweller | yeah | Mar 04 19:10 |
| ianweller | or stealing it from mediawiki.org cuz that is public domain | Mar 04 19:10 |
| ianweller | whatever, really | Mar 04 19:10 |
| laubersm | Can a draft be dragged from mediawiki and modified? | Mar 04 19:10 |
| ianweller | yeah | Mar 04 19:10 |
| *quaid sticks his head in for a few minutes to watch | Mar 04 19:10 | |
| ianweller | i can talk about it afterwards | Mar 04 19:10 |
| ianweller | moving on: ticket 6 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-wiki/ticket/6 packagemaintainers mass page rename | Mar 04 19:10 |
| joat | if you have the proper access, a page can be exported from one wiki and imported into the other | Mar 04 19:11 |
| ianweller | laubersm: status report on that? it says 'mostly done' | Mar 04 19:11 |
| laubersm | done - close | Mar 04 19:11 |
| ianweller | woo | Mar 04 19:11 |
| ianweller | ok here's where i actually need opinion votes :) | Mar 04 19:11 |
| ianweller | https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-wiki/ticket/7 "Mediawiki:Mainpage title change request" | Mar 04 19:11 |
| ianweller | it's been requested by stickster_afk to change the name of "Main Page" to something like "Fedora Project Wiki" | Mar 04 19:12 |
| ianweller | which would consist of moving the main page to that name and then adjusting the Mediawiki:Mainpage variable. | Mar 04 19:12 |
| ianweller | +1 or -1 plz | Mar 04 19:12 |
| Sparks | -1 (just because Paul suggested it) | Mar 04 19:12 |
| quaid | there is a reason, too | Mar 04 19:12 |
| quaid | when you see the front page, right now it says 'Main Page' | Mar 04 19:12 |
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| ianweller | Sparks: loll | Mar 04 19:12 |
| quaid | which is short of helpful | Mar 04 19:12 |
| jjmcd | +1 | Mar 04 19:12 |
| quaid | if it were named Fedora Project Wiki, that would appear as the <h1> on that page. | Mar 04 19:12 |
| laubersm | I have no problem with the change.. +1 | Mar 04 19:12 |
| quaid | so, I am +1 | Mar 04 19:12 |
| danielsmw | +1 | Mar 04 19:12 |
| Sparks | +1 | Mar 04 19:13 |
| radsy | +1 | Mar 04 19:13 |
| ryanlerch | +! | Mar 04 19:13 |
| ianweller | i'm calling it approved by FDSCo. | Mar 04 19:13 |
| ianweller | last one is ticket 8, https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-wiki/ticket/8 "Watching Categories" | Mar 04 19:13 |
| ianweller | reported by kanarip. "As per the thread on http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fedora-wiki/2009-February/000138.html, I would like to be able to watch pages being moved from and to Categories. " | Mar 04 19:14 |
| kanarip | that's me | Mar 04 19:14 |
| ianweller | iirc there is an extension to do this but i can't remember it right now. | Mar 04 19:14 |
| ianweller | is this something we want to put interest in or not | Mar 04 19:14 |
| Sparks | So you are watching pages within a category or pages that change categories? | Mar 04 19:14 |
| quaid | so this would make it possible to watch Category:Foo and all that happens to pages in the Cat:Foo would be shown? or just show the entrance/exit from a Cat:? | Mar 04 19:14 |
| kanarip | Categories that get pages added or removed | Mar 04 19:14 |
| quaid | ah, that works for category triggers | Mar 04 19:15 |
| quaid | which spins and features, for example, use. | Mar 04 19:15 |
| jjmcd | If we are relying more on categories, we should have tools to help | Mar 04 19:15 |
| quaid | that is, actions are spawned by a category being set or removed. | Mar 04 19:15 |
| *ianweller notes kanarip originally wanted this for spins | Mar 04 19:15 | |
| laubersm | you can already watch the category for changes to the page itself but it does not tell you when a new page shows up in the cat | Mar 04 19:15 |
| ianweller | +1 or -1 plz | Mar 04 19:15 |
| quaid | +1 | Mar 04 19:15 |
| laubersm | That could be useful for a number of groups who are using categories to track progress | Mar 04 19:15 |
| Sparks | ianweller: IMO, if it is something that is easily added to the wiki that doesn't create a nightmare for admin and a Fedorian can get some use out of... +1 | Mar 04 19:16 |
| ianweller | this is a vote for looking into it and testing the extension, fyi | Mar 04 19:16 |
| jjmcd | How stable/difficult/cranky is this add-in | Mar 04 19:16 |
| ianweller | jjmcd: that'd be why i would need to research/test it | Mar 04 19:16 |
| laubersm | +1 to researching | Mar 04 19:16 |
| jjmcd | +1 for research | Mar 04 19:16 |
| ianweller | i don't wanna do that if we're not interested. | Mar 04 19:16 |
| ianweller | i'm just querying interest | Mar 04 19:17 |
| danielsmw | +1 for R&D | Mar 04 19:17 |
| ianweller | ok i've got +5, any more? | Mar 04 19:17 |
| kanarip | +1, fwiw | Mar 04 19:17 |
| kanarip | ;-) | Mar 04 19:17 |
| *ianweller takes Sparks's gavel and bangs it again | Mar 04 19:17 | |
| ianweller | kanarip: he | Mar 04 19:17 |
| ianweller | heh* | Mar 04 19:17 |
| ianweller | alright /me assigns ticket to self | Mar 04 19:17 |
| ianweller | any questions for me? i'm done with the ticket list | Mar 04 19:17 |
| Sparks | ianweller: I have a question | Mar 04 19:18 |
| ianweller | shoot | Mar 04 19:18 |
| Sparks | ianweller: You mentioned above you didn't have permission to do something. What permission do you need to do what? | Mar 04 19:18 |
| ianweller | with the new ACL extension i don't have permission to touch the Packaging: and Legal: pages. | Mar 04 19:18 |
| ianweller | unless i get put in the appropriate groups | Mar 04 19:18 |
| Sparks | ianweller: but they want you to do work for them? | Mar 04 19:19 |
| ianweller | i assume so :) | Mar 04 19:19 |
| ianweller | i'll talk to spot about it. | Mar 04 19:19 |
| ianweller | i'm almost certain he doesn't want to do it himself | Mar 04 19:19 |
| Sparks | ianweller: Well, make sure they know that you need to be added to their groups, even temporarily. | Mar 04 19:19 |
| ianweller | aye aye | Mar 04 19:19 |
| laubersm | Sparks, it would be a one time shot of a bunch of renaming | Mar 04 19:19 |
| Sparks | ianweller: I don't know why the wiki czar wouldn't have admin access to everything. | Mar 04 19:19 |
| ianweller | odds are i'd put wikibot in the groups, not me | Mar 04 19:19 |
| ianweller | unless i was doing it manually | Mar 04 19:20 |
| Sparks | :) | Mar 04 19:20 |
| ianweller | Sparks: i used to with HNP | Mar 04 19:20 |
| ianweller | ;) | Mar 04 19:20 |
| ianweller | lockdown doesn't have that coded in | Mar 04 19:20 |
| ianweller | prolly a good idea, less code == less bugs | Mar 04 19:20 |
| ianweller | in general | Mar 04 19:20 |
| Sparks | true. | Mar 04 19:20 |
| Sparks | Okay, anything else for ianweller ? | Mar 04 19:20 |
| *ianweller internally conts to 10 | Mar 04 19:20 | |
| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - CMS Update <-- ke4qqq | Mar 04 19:20 | |
| ianweller | \o/ | Mar 04 19:21 |
| Sparks | ke4qqq: You here? | Mar 04 19:21 |
| Sparks | I got a message from someone saying something about the CMS earlier this week but I'm pretty sure I had a fever at that point. | Mar 04 19:21 |
| Sparks | I'll try to follow up before next week so we'll have a progress report to... report. | Mar 04 19:21 |
| jjmcd | someone said he would be asleep by now | Mar 04 19:22 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: Isn't he in South Carolina? | Mar 04 19:22 |
| danielsmw | Yes, unless he's on business | Mar 04 19:22 |
| jjmcd | David is, but I think the guy with the comment was in the uj | Mar 04 19:22 |
| jjmcd | uk | Mar 04 19:22 |
| Sparks | Yes | Mar 04 19:22 |
| Sparks | Okay | Mar 04 19:22 |
| jjmcd | he said to get q's to him by 2300 | Mar 04 19:22 |
| quaid | I talked with ... darn, i forget his name | Mar 04 19:22 |
| jjmcd | me too | Mar 04 19:23 |
| Sparks | Okay, I'll have something before next week | Mar 04 19:23 |
| quaid | who is working on the autobuild; I had to install publican on the publictest server | Mar 04 19:23 |
| quaid | and from that I pinged ke4qqq and abadger1999 about | Mar 04 19:23 |
| quaid | the package dependency | Mar 04 19:23 |
| quaid | I'm fairly sure we want the autobuild to happen on a separate server | Mar 04 19:23 |
| quaid | that does not have a web facing interface. | Mar 04 19:23 |
| quaid | http://quaid.fedorapeople.org/Fedora-Docs/publican_rough_dependencies_list-20090301.txt | Mar 04 19:24 |
| quaid | pulls in qt and stuff, not great for a web server | Mar 04 19:24 |
| quaid | so that was my recommendation to toshio and david, to make another tier. | Mar 04 19:24 |
| Tsagadai | quaid, what exactly is the issue with those packages? | Mar 04 19:25 |
| *ianweller is gonna be ignoring IRC for a bit, if you need me back in here call my fedora talk extension | Mar 04 19:26 | |
| *laubersm thinks it is Simon | Mar 04 19:26 | |
| quaid | Tsagadai: ideally a front-facing web server is paired down to a minimun package set that doesn't include X and a graphical desktop | Mar 04 19:26 |
| quaid | but I think there is another good reason to put the autobuild on a stand-alone box | Mar 04 19:26 |
| quaid | doesn't publican peg the CPU when working? | Mar 04 19:26 |
| quaid | we don't want that happening on the same cpu as the CMS. | Mar 04 19:26 |
| Tsagadai | yes, for about 30 seconds | Mar 04 19:27 |
| Tsagadai | but it's single threaded (lawl) so that really shouldn't affect a modern web server | Mar 04 19:27 |
| ianweller iarlyy inode0 itamarjp ivazquez ivazquez|laptop ixs | Mar 04 19:27 | |
| *Sparks calls ianweller but only gets his voicemail | Mar 04 19:28 | |
| Tsagadai | I think a stand-alone box would be overkill. If the security aspects of having X11 present but off are overwhelming for the admins perhaps they should try virtualization | Mar 04 19:29 |
| quaid | Tsagadai: I am merely recommending an approach to Infrastructure; you are welcome to make your own recommendation. | Mar 04 19:29 |
| quaid | Sparks: I'm done with this item, btw | Mar 04 19:29 |
| jjmcd | X11 is like a huge albatross for a server | Mar 04 19:29 |
| Sparks | quaid: Okay. TU | Mar 04 19:29 |
| Sparks | Anything else for the CMS? | Mar 04 19:30 |
| Tsagadai | jjmcd, but when X11 is not actually running it is no more an issue than just disk space | Mar 04 19:30 |
| ianweller | hi? | Mar 04 19:30 |
| ianweller | Sparks: cuz i was out of my room :P | Mar 04 19:31 |
| jjmcd | Sort of like parking a semi in your driveway to protect your miata from the wind | Mar 04 19:31 |
| Sparks | ianweller: Wiki pages changes <- an old agenda item. Covered already? | Mar 04 19:31 |
| ianweller | Sparks: what is 'wiki pages changes' | Mar 04 19:31 |
| Sparks | ianweller: I don't know. It was an old item. I'm claiming it as being done. | Mar 04 19:32 |
| ianweller | kill it | Mar 04 19:32 |
| Sparks | Moving on... | Mar 04 19:32 |
| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Release Notes | Mar 04 19:32 | |
| Sparks | This is ryanlerch and jjmcd's project | Mar 04 19:32 |
| Sparks | Any updates? | Mar 04 19:32 |
| ryanlerch | http://ryanlerch.fedorapeople.org/Release_Notes/publish/ | Mar 04 19:32 |
| ryanlerch | the release notes should be in line with what is on the wiki... | Mar 04 19:33 |
| ryanlerch | going to work with rudi on getting the source merged into the git tree... | Mar 04 19:33 |
| jjmcd | I am going to move my work page from Jjmcd/Drafts to DevTools which will be a big jump | Mar 04 19:33 |
| jjmcd | right nw there is a lot of raw data there, but if it's in the open maybe I can draw some help/comments | Mar 04 19:34 |
| jjmcd | Over 100 dev tools new/changed | Mar 04 19:34 |
| jjmcd | gcl is making a 4+ year jump, but the project page leaves no clue as to what is happening | Mar 04 19:34 |
| jjmcd | Jerry James agreed to do some research for me | Mar 04 19:35 |
| jjmcd | Also, Chitlesh Goorah agreed to provide some data on EDA which we overlooked in F10 RNs | Mar 04 19:35 |
| jjmcd | Annnd still more | Mar 04 19:35 |
| jjmcd | I pushed F10 update, marked it LIVE but no joy on d.fp.o | Mar 04 19:35 |
| jjmcd | Been fighting some hardware failures so havent pursued too aggressively | Mar 04 19:36 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: That's a quaid thing... (the d.fp.o issue) | Mar 04 19:36 |
| *quaid looks back in | Mar 04 19:36 | |
| jjmcd | Yeah, he helped me get it into git but I haven't grabbed him after it didn't show | Mar 04 19:36 |
| ryanlerch | There are also lots of OPEN beats, and a lot of assigned beats that need confirmation | Mar 04 19:36 |
| ryanlerch | Docs/Beats | Mar 04 19:36 |
| jjmcd | errrr, cvs rather | Mar 04 19:37 |
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| quaid | yeah, recruiting is probably the most important thing right now | Mar 04 19:37 |
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| quaid | those beats don't fill themselves :) | Mar 04 19:37 |
| quaid | jjmcd: I could just do it, but I wanted you to be able to :( | Mar 04 19:37 |
| quaid | update docs.fp.o that is | Mar 04 19:37 |
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| jjmcd | quaid: I thought i did what i needed to but no joy | Mar 04 19:37 |
| ryanlerch | i was thinking of removing all the assignments that are yet to be confirmed and putting them back to OPEN, is that okay? | Mar 04 19:38 |
| jjmcd | but like i said, i still have some things to discover | Mar 04 19:38 |
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| jjmcd | On recruiting, I think my posting may have done some good. I noticed a number of new volunteers to l10n a couple days later (lots of phil and indonesians read that forum) | Mar 04 19:39 |
| jjmcd | but no joy on beat writers \ | Mar 04 19:39 |
| ryanlerch | we also need dev contacts... | Mar 04 19:39 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: Can you post the link to the beats so everyone can take a look to see if there is anything they would like to step up to take? | Mar 04 19:39 |
| ryanlerch | Docs/Beats | Mar 04 19:39 |
| jjmcd | Good plan | Mar 04 19:39 |
| laubersm | can we put all the beats in a category? | Mar 04 19:40 |
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| jjmcd | ryanlerch we might need to add a couple of beats back in, but i'm struggling with organization | Mar 04 19:42 |
| ryanlerch | which beats? | Mar 04 19:42 |
| ryanlerch | i am happy to keep the orgainisation in the docbook, and treat the beats as drafts of sections... | Mar 04 19:42 |
| jjmcd | eclipse in, I took it out, and add in Haskell, we have a writer for that. Trouble is, Eclipse fits in with IDSs and Haskell scattered about | Mar 04 19:42 |
| jjmcd | That may make more sense | Mar 04 19:43 |
| ryanlerch | it is easier to play with the depth of sections in docbook | Mar 04 19:43 |
| ryanlerch | once i get the source into git, you can play with it also... | Mar 04 19:43 |
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| jjmcd | s/IDSs/IDEs/ | Mar 04 19:43 |
| jjmcd | yeah, hard to sort it in the wiki | Mar 04 19:44 |
| SgtDitt | hello all? soory i'm late | Mar 04 19:45 |
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| SgtDitt | lol, or missed it | Mar 04 19:45 |
| jjmcd | No, we're going on about release notes | Mar 04 19:45 |
| ryanlerch | IMO, we should pull out the preview thing below the beats assignments, and just have the mockup as the place for people to check the current status of the release notes... | Mar 04 19:45 |
| jjmcd | Trouble is you can't make a change and then see it right away | Mar 04 19:46 |
| jjmcd | But it would make organizing easier | Mar 04 19:46 |
| ryanlerch | but it will still be in the actual beat page... | Mar 04 19:47 |
| quaid | the preview could be moved to another page, less distracting, etc. | Mar 04 19:47 |
| jjmcd | quaid - the issue is more keeping up the structure in two places | Mar 04 19:48 |
| ryanlerch | well, the preview is kinda confusing anyway, because it is such an effort to sort out the sections etc, and so much work. | Mar 04 19:48 |
| quaid | oic | Mar 04 19:48 |
| laubersm | if they are all in a category then you can see all the pieces lexographically, edit the one you need, then when it gets put together it goes in order.... | Mar 04 19:48 |
| laubersm | Category:Release Notes Drafts or Category:Documentation Beats whatever... | Mar 04 19:49 |
| Sparks | I thought they were in their own category. | Mar 04 19:49 |
| Sparks | Ten minutes warning, BTW. | Mar 04 19:50 |
| ryanlerch | but when you move sections up or down you need to manually change ==headers== to ===headers=== and vice versa | Mar 04 19:50 |
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| laubersm | Oh? | Mar 04 19:50 |
| jjmcd | Yeah, oh | Mar 04 19:51 |
| quaid | yeah, there really isn't that much value in trying to mirror the wiki beats to the final structure. | Mar 04 19:51 |
| quaid | I don't think it matters to writers; they only care about their beat | Mar 04 19:51 |
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| quaid | the preview then becomes superfluous to them. | Mar 04 19:51 |
| jjmcd | So yeah, probably better to just get rid of it | Mar 04 19:51 |
| ryanlerch | good, will remove it later today... | Mar 04 19:52 |
| laubersm | Some are in a cat - many are not... | Mar 04 19:52 |
| ryanlerch | on a side note, i have been playing around with some scripts to generate package manifests: | Mar 04 19:52 |
| quaid | do you all have any more actions around recruiting beat writers? | Mar 04 19:52 |
| ryanlerch | http://ryanlerch.fedorapeople.org/package_list/html/ | Mar 04 19:52 |
| ryanlerch | that is a list of all 11 000+ packages in fedora everything.... | Mar 04 19:53 |
| ryanlerch | it is just something i am working on... :P | Mar 04 19:53 |
| quaid | ryanlerch: pretty cool | Mar 04 19:53 |
| jjmcd | Now the interesting bit is assigning them to beats | Mar 04 19:53 |
| *ianweller has no clue why we would ever want all the packages and their descriptions in the release notes | Mar 04 19:53 | |
| ryanlerch | not really release notes... | Mar 04 19:54 |
| *quaid has done his recruiting shout out and now returns to packing | Mar 04 19:54 | |
| jjmcd | ianweller: The beat writer often needs help figuring out what it in his beat, tho | Mar 04 19:54 |
| ryanlerch | they are sorted by the RPM group btw... | Mar 04 19:54 |
| laubersm | has some of the beats but not all - I'm not sure that is the best cat name for them though | Mar 04 19:54 |
| jjmcd | Indeed, a lot of those arent beats. We should have a documentation_beats cat | Mar 04 19:55 |
| laubersm | jjmcd, go to it :) | Mar 04 19:56 |
| Sparks | Okay, anything else for this? | Mar 04 19:57 |
| laubersm | Also what are the Docs/Beats/* pages? many are not in any cat | Mar 04 19:57 |
| laubersm | Are they the old names? | Mar 04 19:57 |
| jjmcd | 3 min for IG, UG, SG, SELG | Mar 04 19:57 |
| jjmcd | Yes | Mar 04 19:57 |
| ryanlerch | we cant go overtime? | Mar 04 19:57 |
| Sparks | We can, I guess. | Mar 04 19:58 |
| jjmcd | now named Documentation_xxx_beat | Mar 04 19:58 |
| laubersm | we may have to go back to docs but I can stay for overtime | Mar 04 19:58 |
| laubersm | jjmcd, then all the DOcs/Beats/* pages can be archived? | Mar 04 19:58 |
| laubersm | :) | Mar 04 19:59 |
| jjmcd | I believe it. I thinkl they are all just redirects ... hard to tell | Mar 04 19:59 |
| laubersm | Not all - we can talk later and I'll point you to the ones I was wondering about | Mar 04 20:00 |
| *laubersm is done planting wiki cleanup ideas | Mar 04 20:00 | |
| *jjmcd will be trying to make more headway on DevTools tomorrow, but Friday is for fixing the laptop (assuming the part arrives as promised) | Mar 04 20:01 | |
| Sparks | Okay, let's move to the "anything else" category and then move this discussion over to #f-docs. | Mar 04 20:01 |
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| SgtDitt | I saw a note in the mailing list that the AG may getg shelved. is this due to lack of updates? | Mar 04 20:02 |
| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Open Discussion | Mar 04 20:02 | |
| *danielsmw wanted to talk about the UG a bit but can do that in f-docs | Mar 04 20:02 | |
| Sparks | danielsmw: Go for it. | Mar 04 20:02 |
| jjmcd | I think lack of owner | Mar 04 20:02 |
| SgtDitt | ok. | Mar 04 20:02 |
| SgtDitt | I'll pick it up | Mar 04 20:03 |
| jjmcd | If yo are volunteering tho | Mar 04 20:03 |
| jjmcd | Bravo | Mar 04 20:03 |
| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - User Guide | Mar 04 20:03 | |
| danielsmw | Okay well | Mar 04 20:03 |
| danielsmw | I wanted to bring up a question more than an update really | Mar 04 20:03 |
| danielsmw | Do we have any formal documents or guides focused toward new users besides the UG? | Mar 04 20:04 |
| danielsmw | The reason I ask | Mar 04 20:04 |
| danielsmw | I that I think it would be useful to have... | Mar 04 20:04 |
| danielsmw | I guess... a *nix-theory document | Mar 04 20:04 |
| danielsmw | The UG gives new users a practical cookbook for doing things on Fedora | Mar 04 20:04 |
| danielsmw | but it's hard to be a proficient linux user without understanding at least the philosohphy behind how certain things work. | Mar 04 20:05 |
| danielsmw | Do we have anyhting like this? | Mar 04 20:05 |
| danielsmw | s/anyhting/anything/ | Mar 04 20:05 |
| SgtDitt | seems a bit beyond the scope of the docs project. | Mar 04 20:05 |
| Sparks | I don't think there is a problem including some basic *nix usage but we shouldn't sway too far from Fedora. | Mar 04 20:05 |
| danielsmw | Sparks: Agreed, should have clarified. | Mar 04 20:05 |
| SgtDitt | basic, intermediate and advance use of fedora is fitting... | Mar 04 20:06 |
| jjmcd | Wouldn't this help bridge the gulf between the UG and the stuff aimed at the pony tail and rope belt set? | Mar 04 20:06 |
| danielsmw | I mean, I don't think we need a volume on Unix Philosphy. | Mar 04 20:06 |
| Sparks | HAHAHA... pony tail and rope belt set? | Mar 04 20:06 |
| danielsmw | lol | Mar 04 20:07 |
| danielsmw | Yeah, I mean I think it would be useful to at least introduce the CLI, maybe the process model, etc. | Mar 04 20:07 |
| danielsmw | just at a basic level with metaphors and such. | Mar 04 20:07 |
| Sparks | danielsmw: Things like "ll does this" isn't a bad thing even though it is a common bash command | Mar 04 20:07 |
| danielsmw | so new users can at least hope to grasp more advanced commands | Mar 04 20:07 |
| danielsmw | Sparks: can you reword that? I don't see what you're saying. | Mar 04 20:08 |
| Sparks | +1 | Mar 04 20:08 |
| joat | jjmcd is showing his age with the pony tail and rope belt comment | Mar 04 20:08 |
| Sparks | joat: Apparently | Mar 04 20:08 |
| jjmcd | LOL -- Datatrieve developers | Mar 04 20:08 |
| Sparks | danielsmw: I think you are on the right track. Just because something isn't specific to Fedora doesn't mean it shouldn't be explained in the FUG | Mar 04 20:08 |
| danielsmw | Sparks: yeah, i figured that out before you replied, sorry. :-) | Mar 04 20:08 |
| danielsmw | Anyway, that was my thought. I blogged about it but didn't get much response. | Mar 04 20:09 |
| danielsmw | I'll discuss it in IRC again later. | Mar 04 20:09 |
| danielsmw | That's all I had. :-) | Mar 04 20:09 |
| jjmcd | Seems like there was something on the list, did you post that? | Mar 04 20:09 |
| Sparks | Go forth and prosper... :) | Mar 04 20:09 |
| danielsmw | jjmcd: Sort of | Mar 04 20:09 |
| joat | I think that it should be located in a wiki so that it can be referenced by other pages | Mar 04 20:09 |
| jjmcd | Suggestion, though. Go out and recruit some staff so we can keep it up | Mar 04 20:09 |
| danielsmw | Back then I was thinking about just adding more advanced topics in general, but I've refined that idea, I think. | Mar 04 20:09 |
| joat | "to learn more about how to save and exit vi, see such-and-such" | Mar 04 20:10 |
| jjmcd | rm -f /bin/vi | Mar 04 20:10 |
| joat | when talking about editing a config file | Mar 04 20:10 |
| danielsmw | jjmcd: Why would you do that?! | Mar 04 20:10 |
| laubersm | based on a conversation in ambassadors earlier today - ssh and scp basics would be useful. | Mar 04 20:10 |
| jjmcd | solves the problem of exiting vi | Mar 04 20:10 |
| danielsmw | lol | Mar 04 20:10 |
| SgtDitt | love vi/vim | Mar 04 20:10 |
| jjmcd | yeah, ssh/scp are pretty basic, but not widely understood by newbies | Mar 04 20:11 |
| jjmcd | You know what RMS said about that | Mar 04 20:11 |
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| *nirik would like to butt in and note there are still some open slots for fedora classes in the classroom this weekend. ;) Docs topics would be great. | Mar 04 20:11 | |
| *jjmcd would love to do something if he could find another dozen hours in the day | Mar 04 20:12 | |
| *laubersm will be at basketball tourney (assuming we win Fri) | Mar 04 20:12 | |
| *laubersm should clarify - laubersm watches and only wishes she could play | Mar 04 20:13 | |
| Sparks | Okay, anything else meeting worthy? | Mar 04 20:13 |
| jjmcd | what can we do to help laubersm's team loose? | Mar 04 20:14 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: vaseline? | Mar 04 20:14 |
| danielsmw | lol | Mar 04 20:14 |
| jjmcd | that would be cruel Sparks | Mar 04 20:15 |
| Sparks | okay... | Mar 04 20:15 |
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| Sparks | 0.5 | Mar 04 20:15 |
| Sparks | 0.25 | Mar 04 20:15 |
| Sparks | Thanks everyone for coming! | Mar 04 20:15 |
| Sparks | </meeting> | Mar 04 20:15 |