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| Sparks | Roll Call! | Mar 18 20:00 |
| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings | Mar 18 20:00 | |
| *Sparks is here | Mar 18 20:00 | |
| *danielsmw is here | Mar 18 20:00 | |
| *laubersm is here | Mar 18 20:00 | |
| *rudi is here | Mar 18 20:00 | |
| *ianweller | Mar 18 20:00 | |
| *jjmcd is here | Mar 18 20:00 | |
| *zoglesby is here | Mar 18 20:00 | |
| ianweller | .wikilink ianweller | Mar 18 20:00 |
| zodbot | ianweller: Ian Weller | Mar 18 20:00 |
| *radsy is here | Mar 18 20:00 | |
| laubersm | ianweller, show off | Mar 18 20:00 |
| ianweller | :3 | Mar 18 20:00 |
| *joat is here | Mar 18 20:00 | |
| laubersm | .wikilink laubersm | Mar 18 20:00 |
| zodbot | laubersm: Susan Lauber | Mar 18 20:00 |
| *quaid is here | Mar 18 20:01 | |
| *Sparks waits for ke4qqq and ryanlerch | Mar 18 20:02 | |
| jjmcd | David sounded like he had to physically travel to be here, haven't seen Ryan yet today | Mar 18 20:02 |
| Sparks | Well, to not waste time... | Mar 18 20:02 |
| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Beta Announcement | Mar 18 20:02 | |
| Sparks | First, we had the Beta conference call earlier today... | Mar 18 20:03 |
| *rudi peers across the office and notices that Ryan's not at his desk | Mar 18 20:03 | |
| Sparks | a lot of things were covered and whenever they release the notes I'll pass them along to group via the list. | Mar 18 20:03 |
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| Sparks | Thanks to ke4qqq for reminding me that he somehow got Docs on the list for creating the Beta Announcement | Mar 18 20:04 |
| quaid | oops :) | Mar 18 20:04 |
| Sparks | BUT... | Mar 18 20:04 |
| Sparks | A special thanks to jjmcd for grabbing the bull by the horns and really creating nice, attention grabbing announcement | Mar 18 20:05 |
| Sparks | F11_Beta_Announcement | Mar 18 20:05 |
| Sparks | Please review it and make recommendations/changes as necessary. | Mar 18 20:05 |
| Sparks | I especially like the opening paragraph. :) | Mar 18 20:05 |
| jjmcd | ;-) | Mar 18 20:06 |
| Sparks | BZ jjmcd | Mar 18 20:06 |
| quaid | yeah, we can add that as part of Docs standar op procedure each release ... we've had the final announcement duties for a while | Mar 18 20:06 |
| quaid | but releng has obviously wanted us to do more :) | Mar 18 20:06 |
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| laubersm | Are we trying to keep it to a "one page"? How much can it grow? | Mar 18 20:06 |
| Sparks | quaid: Yeah, and I think it is a perfect time for us to summarize the release notes... kinda | Mar 18 20:06 |
| *herlo is semi-here btw... | Mar 18 20:06 | |
| Sparks | laubersm: I don't want it to grow much more... | Mar 18 20:06 |
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| Sparks | laubersm: if only because it is supposed to be a summary of a summary... | Mar 18 20:07 |
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| laubersm | The features page has one liners from proposals but they have some better descriptions in each feature page... that are not much bigger | Mar 18 20:07 |
| Sparks | laubersm: We just want to get you in the door long enough to download and install the beta. | Mar 18 20:07 |
| Sparks | +1 for adding interesting items that will pull users/developers in | Mar 18 20:07 |
| *ianweller reads beta announcement | Mar 18 20:08 | |
| jjmcd | I ripped off some of the text from the talking points, stressed some over whether it was too long | Mar 18 20:08 |
| Sparks | I think it would be better to have TOO much information in there and have to edit some of it out for brevity. | Mar 18 20:08 |
| laubersm | ok... I am not a fan of "rebase" or "etc" and I think we should be past "the goal is" thoses are all from the initial feature page summaries - many of those | Mar 18 20:08 |
| laubersm | pages ahve better para at the end of the feature page for RN | Mar 18 20:08 |
| quaid | are we still on the release announcement? | Mar 18 20:09 |
| Sparks | quaid: yes | Mar 18 20:09 |
| *laubersm knows how to edit and will... also promises to not get wordy :) | Mar 18 20:09 | |
| jjmcd | Thanks, Susan | Mar 18 20:09 |
| Sparks | quaid: When do they cut Beta loose? | Mar 18 20:09 |
| jjmcd | Tues I think | Mar 18 20:09 |
| ianweller | announcement looks good | Mar 18 20:09 |
| quaid | ok, in terms of length, long is bad :) | Mar 18 20:10 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: So this needs to be done no later than Sunday eve | Mar 18 20:10 |
| quaid | that stuff belongs in the release notes | Mar 18 20:10 |
| ianweller | it is a bit wordy, yeah | Mar 18 20:10 |
| jjmcd | Yeah, the sked says RNs gotta be done Mon | Mar 18 20:10 |
| ianweller | "Peek behind the kimono" whirr | Mar 18 20:10 |
| Sparks | We want to hit the high points ONLY, IMO | Mar 18 20:10 |
| joat | it's a beta announcement... suggest limiting each of the bullet sets to the best 5, with an URL to the rest | Mar 18 20:10 |
| ianweller | i suggest limiting the total number of bullets to 10 | Mar 18 20:11 |
| joat | best 5 of each that is... | Mar 18 20:11 |
| jjmcd | Good plan, the trick is figuring out which are the best 5 | Mar 18 20:11 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: Well, if you have six or seven STRONG points, no foul in putting them all in | Mar 18 20:11 |
| joat | probably depends on which demographic each set is aiming at | Mar 18 20:11 |
| ianweller | i like the beta contest. lol. | Mar 18 20:12 |
| radsy | last I heard it was the 24th | Mar 18 20:12 |
| Sparks | joat: True. Right now it is broken down into "user" and "developer" | Mar 18 20:12 |
| jjmcd | that's ripped off from 10 | Mar 18 20:12 |
| Sparks | Yes | Mar 18 20:12 |
| Sparks | I don't think it is a bad way to organize it but I'm not tied to it | Mar 18 20:12 |
| jjmcd | If we take out gnome, kde, anaconda and devkit we have 5 5 5, and those are pretty esoteric or limited population IMO | Mar 18 20:13 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: Let's make sure we are satisfied with it NLT Sunday. We can talk about it more later this week. | Mar 18 20:14 |
| jjmcd | yep | Mar 18 20:14 |
| *quaid adds a point to Talk:F11_Beta_Announcement | Mar 18 20:14 | |
| Sparks | jjmcd: I don't like taking out gnome and kde... | Mar 18 20:14 |
| ianweller | Sparks: combine gnome and kde into one bullet | Mar 18 20:14 |
| quaid | yes | Mar 18 20:14 |
| jjmcd | Not a bad plan | Mar 18 20:14 |
| ianweller | and fwiw the first paragraph seems awkwardly worded but i'm not exactly sure how you would fix it | Mar 18 20:14 |
| zoglesby | are we really gaining much from new versions of either? | Mar 18 20:14 |
| jjmcd | Updates to the latest window managers gnome 2.6, kde whatever | Mar 18 20:15 |
| jjmcd | Not much visible | Mar 18 20:15 |
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| laubersm | yes - and minimize to just updated to version X - they are only additions of upstream stuff.... | Mar 18 20:15 |
| *laubersm sees that jjmcd already said that :( | Mar 18 20:15 | |
| *ryanlerch apoligises for lateness | Mar 18 20:15 | |
| Sparks | ryanlerch: You haven't missed your topic yet | Mar 18 20:16 |
| Sparks | Okay, anything else on the release announcement? | Mar 18 20:16 |
| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Publican fix for Fedora? <-- jjmcd | Mar 18 20:16 | |
| Sparks | jjmcd: You were working on a script to "fix" publican srpms for Fedora. | Mar 18 20:17 |
| joat | i still haven't figured that one out yet | Mar 18 20:17 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: Where are you with this? | Mar 18 20:17 |
| jjmcd | No progress there since last week, although I am convinced that it isn't a big deal | Mar 18 20:17 |
| Sparks | Should we just use the old tools as necessary? | Mar 18 20:17 |
| jjmcd | I figure I;m trainable -- worst case I write a spc file | Mar 18 20:17 |
| jjmcd | I don't know how applicable they are | Mar 18 20:17 |
| jjmcd | I am studying them to see what I can rip off tho | Mar 18 20:18 |
| Sparks | quaid: We can use the "old" tool to create docs from the Docbook XMLs, correct? | Mar 18 20:18 |
| quaid | well | Mar 18 20:18 |
| quaid | yes, but it's a port back | Mar 18 20:18 |
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| Sparks | Why? | Mar 18 20:18 |
| quaid | hmm | Mar 18 20:18 |
| jjmcd | We can create the docs from Pubblican, the only thing we are lacking is the spec file | Mar 18 20:18 |
| quaid | maybe not so much, but not sure if you can have | Mar 18 20:18 |
| quaid | as single set of XML files that is subservient to both toolchains. | Mar 18 20:19 |
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| Sparks | jjmcd: We aren't lacking a spec file... We are lacking proper information in the spec file | Mar 18 20:19 |
| jjmcd | yes | Mar 18 20:19 |
| quaid | e.g. fedora-doc-utils uses an rpm-info.xml file, etc. | Mar 18 20:19 |
| quaid | so what jjmcd is doing | Mar 18 20:19 |
| quaid | is probably saner, or equally sane. | Mar 18 20:19 |
| Sparks | Okay | Mar 18 20:19 |
| quaid | either we make one set of XML files work under both, or | Mar 18 20:19 |
| quaid | we make it work under Publican and hand-build a .spec file for each guide. | Mar 18 20:19 |
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| quaid | (which are largely the same spec files, aiui) | Mar 18 20:20 |
| quaid | in this case, jjmcd has the f-d-u and stickster_afk's brian to pick. | Mar 18 20:20 |
| jjmcd | I figure people write spec files every day and I'm possibly trainable | Mar 18 20:20 |
| quaid | with a six of one, half dozen of the other, let's pick whatever moves us the most cm forward. | Mar 18 20:20 |
| jjmcd | And getting away from a long ugly toolchain is a win imo | Mar 18 20:21 |
| quaid | hey! | Mar 18 20:21 |
| quaid | it's not ugly | Mar 18 20:21 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: I can show you a "proper" spec file | Mar 18 20:21 |
| quaid | it just doesn't have an upstream other than ourselves :) | Mar 18 20:21 |
| jjmcd | Well, maybe I should say to a toolchain that somebody else supports | Mar 18 20:21 |
| *quaid has also heard that said about Publican, fwiw :D | Mar 18 20:21 | |
| Sparks | Well, my concern is that we HAVE to get the Release Notes ready. I'd really like to get the security guide ready before F11, too. | Mar 18 20:21 |
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| jjmcd | Ryan's work has really moved us much farther along that path than we are accustomed to being at this time | Mar 18 20:22 |
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| Sparks | +1 | Mar 18 20:22 |
| Sparks | Okay, let's come back to the release notes in a bit. | Mar 18 20:22 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: Let's work on this more this weekend. I THINK I should be around. | Mar 18 20:23 |
| jjmcd | good deal | Mar 18 20:23 |
| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - CMS Update <-- ke4qqq | Mar 18 20:23 | |
| Sparks | I don't think ke4qqq is around tonight... | Mar 18 20:24 |
| radsy | https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/publican-fedora-0.18-0.fc10,publican-0.44-0.fc10 worth testing | Mar 18 20:24 |
| Sparks | however I overheard him say that Zikula is now packaged. | Mar 18 20:24 |
| Sparks | and that he needs some help getting the modules packaged. | Mar 18 20:24 |
| Sparks | Does anyone have anything to add? | Mar 18 20:25 |
| Sparks | radsy: Thanks for the link. I'll try that out as it fixes one of my bugs. | Mar 18 20:25 |
| ianweller | .whoowns zikula | Mar 18 20:25 |
| zodbot | ianweller: No such package exists. | Mar 18 20:25 |
| *ianweller shrugs :P | Mar 18 20:25 | |
| Sparks | ianweller: I think it is still going through the process... b | Mar 18 20:26 |
| Sparks | but apparently is close | Mar 18 20:26 |
| ianweller | woo | Mar 18 20:26 |
| Sparks | Okay... next is... | Mar 18 20:26 |
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| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - DocsProject wiki pages changes | Mar 18 20:26 | |
| Sparks | I'm going to hand the mic over to ianweller who has a few words to say. | Mar 18 20:27 |
| ianweller | actually what i had to say was wrt the wiki itself | Mar 18 20:27 |
| ianweller | so | Mar 18 20:27 |
| *ianweller has changed the topic to: Docs Project - woo wiki woo | Mar 18 20:27 | |
| ianweller | :) | Mar 18 20:27 |
| ianweller | um i was talking with mmcgrath yesterday and we'll soon be upgrading from MW 1.13.3 to 1.14.0 | Mar 18 20:28 |
| ianweller | if our extensions still work | Mar 18 20:28 |
| ianweller | the release notes mention a multitude of bug fixes and some new features. it's mostly API stuff. | Mar 18 20:28 |
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| ianweller | i got Main Page renamed to Fedora Project Wiki | Mar 18 20:29 |
| ianweller | and so now we only have three open tickets on fedora-wiki, which is nice. | Mar 18 20:29 |
| *danielsmw claps approvingly. | Mar 18 20:29 | |
| Sparks | What are those tickets? Anything big? | Mar 18 20:30 |
| ianweller | on friday, if i don't get distracted, i'll be going through the Packaging.psv file manually | Mar 18 20:30 |
| ianweller | Sparks: they're big and not really touchable, they're more infrastructure things | Mar 18 20:30 |
| ianweller | https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-wiki/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&milestone=Fedora+11&order=priority | Mar 18 20:30 |
| ianweller | except for ticket 2 | Mar 18 20:30 |
| laubersm | I should be around some of the day - let me know and I'll help | Mar 18 20:30 |
| ianweller | laubersm: wonderful | Mar 18 20:30 |
| ianweller | and as always, if anybody has a problem with the wiki, they can add a ticket at fh.o/fedora-wiki | Mar 18 20:31 |
| ianweller | everything gets assigned to me by default so i'll see it | Mar 18 20:31 |
| *Sparks writes a bot to log a ticket every minute | Mar 18 20:32 | |
| *ianweller opens a ticket at fedora-infrastructure to ban Sparks | Mar 18 20:32 | |
| ianweller | ok i'm done :) | Mar 18 20:32 |
| laubersm | I think we need a new push for how renaming helps search - ie blog posts... I have been seeing renewed enthusiasm for wiki pages but bad name choices | Mar 18 20:32 |
| Sparks | touche | Mar 18 20:32 |
| ianweller | laubersm: if you can lead that effort that'd be great | Mar 18 20:32 |
| ianweller | i feel like i'm throwing things on you massively lol. | Mar 18 20:33 |
| laubersm | Marketing and Ambassadors have gotten on board (some) but so many more groups should move meeting pages and archive stuff! | Mar 18 20:33 |
| *Sparks thought there was a howto in the help about naming schemes | Mar 18 20:33 | |
| laubersm | Even that little bit would help a lot. | Mar 18 20:33 |
| Sparks | Maybe some education or something | Mar 18 20:33 |
| jjmcd | you expect people to read the instructions? | Mar 18 20:33 |
| Sparks | that or shock therapy | Mar 18 20:33 |
| zoglesby | ianweller: didn't you do a blog post about that recently? | Mar 18 20:34 |
| danielsmw | +1 to shock therapy. | Mar 18 20:34 |
| laubersm | There are what - over 10 of us here tonight - that is one blog post per day for over a week about how renaming helps and where to find the docs... | Mar 18 20:34 |
| ianweller | zoglesby: i think so | Mar 18 20:34 |
| ianweller | recently == long enough ago to forget | Mar 18 20:34 |
| ianweller | ;) | Mar 18 20:34 |
| zoglesby | lol | Mar 18 20:34 |
| laubersm | Yeah ianweller what happened to wiki tip a week? Did you go on to wiki tip per year? | Mar 18 20:35 |
| ianweller | laubersm: :) i realize that every now and then | Mar 18 20:35 |
| ianweller | and then get horribly distracted. :( | Mar 18 20:35 |
| zoglesby | I'm not sure how much people think about titles when they add to the wiki as much as it is get the info out there | Mar 18 20:35 |
| ianweller | and/or have nothing to write about | Mar 18 20:35 |
| laubersm | zoglesby, the new stuff isn't my biggest concern at the moment - it is cleaning up the old stuff - getting each group to say what stays and what goes. | Mar 18 20:36 |
| Sparks | ianweller: Is there a naming scheme on the wiki? | Mar 18 20:36 |
| joat | I think that once it slides off the front page (if it was there at all), people tend to use search functions rather than indexes | Mar 18 20:36 |
| laubersm | A new page was created recently and didn't show in the search - only it did - it was hit number about 800. | Mar 18 20:36 |
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| jjmcd | I think newer pages show up last | Mar 18 20:37 |
| ianweller | Sparks: i really don't know what you're asking | Mar 18 20:37 |
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| Sparks | we need a page that describes the "proper" way to name a wiki page | Mar 18 20:37 |
| Sparks | guidelines... ideas... tips | Mar 18 20:37 |
| ianweller | thought we had one | Mar 18 20:37 |
| ianweller | somewhere in Help: or FedoraProject: | Mar 18 20:37 |
| laubersm | jjmcd, which is an infrastructure issue (and a ticket for ianweller) :) but about half those pages were meeting of F7 or FC4 or .... | Mar 18 20:38 |
| Sparks | that's my queston | Mar 18 20:38 |
| laubersm | Help:Contents | Mar 18 20:38 |
| laubersm | Sparks, you are looking for Help:Wiki_structure | Mar 18 20:38 |
| Sparks | yes, tu | Mar 18 20:38 |
| laubersm | I also need to get this incorporated somewhere: User:Laubersm/wiki_cleanup_notes | Mar 18 20:39 |
| Sparks | Okay, I'll put something out on the blog tonight... If we see someone create a new page that is named poorly let's contact the creator and point them to that help page | Mar 18 20:40 |
| Sparks | How many "docs" pages do we still need to rename? | Mar 18 20:41 |
| laubersm | I think the DocsProject/* pages are all renamed - though many still need updating in content. | Mar 18 20:41 |
| laubersm | There are some Docs/* pages left though | Mar 18 20:42 |
| laubersm | Mar 18 20:42 | |
| jjmcd | I found a few of the Docs/Beats pages the other night - had a different agenda tho so didn't rename them | Mar 18 20:42 |
| jjmcd | But I have a list | Mar 18 20:42 |
| laubersm | I have been trying to get them into a category or sub category.... | Mar 18 20:42 |
| laubersm | I would also like to see the Docs Project category with a few less items - ie placed into reasonable sub categories... | Mar 18 20:43 |
| laubersm | It is a wiki - be bold - and don't wait for me :) | Mar 18 20:44 |
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| ianweller | or me :) | Mar 18 20:44 |
| jjmcd | third quarter buzzer | Mar 18 20:45 |
| Sparks | Okay, anything else for the wiki? | Mar 18 20:45 |
| ianweller | newp | Mar 18 20:45 |
| *ianweller has changed the topic to: Docs Project - not the wiki | Mar 18 20:45 | |
| laubersm | yeah - what he said | Mar 18 20:46 |
| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Release Notes <-- ryanlerch & jjmcd | Mar 18 20:46 | |
| jjmcd | I have a few notes | Mar 18 20:46 |
| Sparks | ryanlerch: jjmcd: What's the word? | Mar 18 20:46 |
| jjmcd | 1) Reviewed beats for Beta one page, looks pretty reasonable | Mar 18 20:46 |
| jjmcd | 2) quaid assures me we need to do nothing for the one-page | Mar 18 20:47 |
| jjmcd | 3) Need better update info on ext4, ke4qqq working on it | Mar 18 20:47 |
| jjmcd | 4) Just got an update on EDA from Chitlesh, outstanding | Mar 18 20:47 |
| jjmcd | 5) There are some places we are weak, but most we can deal with. We need the most help on the Networking beat | Mar 18 20:47 |
| jjmcd | 6) Ryan moved Publican source to git, I moved a little more from wiki to Publican, looks like Ryan did too. Still work to do there but not in really bad shape. | Mar 18 20:47 |
| jjmcd | 7) Wiki freeze 4/1, preview RNs due 15th, I estimate 2-3 days work between now and 15th | Mar 18 20:47 |
| jjmcd | that's the end of my notes | Mar 18 20:47 |
| ryanlerch | that about sums it up for me as well... | Mar 18 20:48 |
| Sparks | Okay... Any questions? | Mar 18 20:49 |
| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Installation Guide <-- ke4qqq | Mar 18 20:49 | |
| Sparks | And ke4qqq is no where to be found... | Mar 18 20:49 |
| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Security Guide <-- sparks | Mar 18 20:49 | |
| Sparks | Okay... | Mar 18 20:49 |
| Sparks | actually... radsy, do you have anything for the Security Guide? | Mar 18 20:50 |
| radsy | there are some minor changes that were brought up from the community review | Mar 18 20:50 |
| radsy | that i'd like to implement | Mar 18 20:50 |
| rudi | FWIW, there's a test build of the Publicanized IG now massively expanded with content from its RHEL equivalent available here: http://rlandmann.fedorapeople.org/Installation%20Guide/en-US/ | Mar 18 20:50 |
| jjmcd | I was looking at that -- looks pretty good | Mar 18 20:51 |
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| radsy | but still not sure what's happening with packaging etc. | Mar 18 20:51 |
| Sparks | rudi: I'm sorry, I forgot you were handling that... I'll come back to you in a second. | Mar 18 20:51 |
| rudi | NP | Mar 18 20:51 |
| Sparks | radsy: Okay, I just downloaded the new versions of Publican. | Mar 18 20:51 |
| jjmcd | Are we going to translate the guides to 40 languages, too? | Mar 18 20:51 |
| Sparks | radsy: I'm going to grab the latest from SVN and package it and put it on the ticket and also let jjmcd have a run at it | Mar 18 20:52 |
| radsy | ok great | Mar 18 20:52 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: Yes please | Mar 18 20:52 |
| radsy | i have been moved to mdious' old selinux confined services guide, so i'm stretching it to have the time to put in much more | Mar 18 20:53 |
| radsy | by release | Mar 18 20:53 |
| Sparks | cool | Mar 18 20:53 |
| radsy | some good feedback from the community however. | Mar 18 20:54 |
| radsy | that's about all for me | Mar 18 20:54 |
| Sparks | Okay, anything else for the Sec Guide? | Mar 18 20:54 |
| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Installation Guide <-- rui | Mar 18 20:54 | |
| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Installation Guide <-- rudi | Mar 18 20:54 | |
| Sparks | rudi: what have you got for us today? | Mar 18 20:55 |
| rudi | Well, still working on single-sourcing the Fedora and RHEL versions of the guide | Mar 18 20:55 |
| rudi | There's a lot of content that I've been able to scrounge from the RHEL version to expand the Fedora version | Mar 18 20:56 |
| rudi | (and that situation will reverse as RHEL 6 looms) | Mar 18 20:56 |
| rudi | The biggest visual change is lots of pretty pictures :) | Mar 18 20:56 |
| rudi | (Something like 40 or 50 screenshots now, in 36 languages) | Mar 18 20:57 |
| Sparks | Wow | Mar 18 20:57 |
| rudi | A really exciting thing on the L10N front is that there are six languages other than English that are also essentially complete | Mar 18 20:58 |
| Sparks | That's great! | Mar 18 20:58 |
| rudi | By a strange co-incidence, I'm currently working on the "Uninstalling RHEL" chapter | Mar 18 20:58 |
| rudi | Which dovetails nicely with the conversation on f-d-l | Mar 18 20:58 |
| Sparks | funny how it seems to work that way. | Mar 18 20:59 |
| rudi | So I'll be drawing on the wiki to augment and expand that material and make it more Fedora-specific | Mar 18 20:59 |
| Sparks | So will have be in the Installation guide? | Mar 18 20:59 |
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| Sparks | So will that be in the Installation guide? | Mar 18 20:59 |
| rudi | Seems like a logical place for it | Mar 18 20:59 |
| Sparks | in some sort of weird world, yes. | Mar 18 21:00 |
| Sparks | kinda like having to "start" to shut down | Mar 18 21:00 |
| Sparks | :) | Mar 18 21:00 |
| rudi | Heh indeed :) | Mar 18 21:00 |
| jjmcd | Sounds like Windows - to stop click start | Mar 18 21:00 |
| jjmcd | yeah | Mar 18 21:00 |
| rudi | I should have finished preparing that sometime in the next few hours | Mar 18 21:00 |
| laubersm | rudi - feel free to add to the wiki page too... at least a link that there is more info in <other place> | Mar 18 21:00 |
| rudi | thanks laubersm | Mar 18 21:01 |
| Sparks | quaid: No one follows us at this hour, correct? | Mar 18 21:01 |
| rudi | But anyway, that's about it. | Mar 18 21:01 |
| Sparks | cool | Mar 18 21:01 |
| Sparks | Anyone have any questions or comments? | Mar 18 21:01 |
| *jjmcd doesn't hear anyone beating on the door | Mar 18 21:01 | |
| danielsmw | I just wanted to say that a few of us ended up making an odfpy07 package which, when installed, fixes the problems we were having with mw-render. I'm going to try to get that approved as a fedora package and hopefully mw-render will be back in business. | Mar 18 21:01 |
| danielsmw | Then the UG can be converted and done. | Mar 18 21:02 |
| danielsmw | And that's all. :) | Mar 18 21:02 |
| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on User Guide <--danielsmw | Mar 18 21:02 | |
| Sparks | So what danielsmw said... :) | Mar 18 21:02 |
| danielsmw | No, really! That was all! | Mar 18 21:03 |
| danielsmw | Basically | Mar 18 21:03 |
| danielsmw | kirkz has been doing | Mar 18 21:03 |
| Sparks | Anyone have any questions? | Mar 18 21:03 |
| danielsmw | an amazing about of editing. | Mar 18 21:03 |
| danielsmw | so we just need to convert to xml. | Mar 18 21:03 |
| Sparks | excellent | Mar 18 21:03 |
| Sparks | Okay... moving right along... | Mar 18 21:04 |
| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on SELinux Guide <-- mdious | Mar 18 21:04 | |
| Sparks | I don't think mdious is onboard tonight. | Mar 18 21:04 |
| ianweller | he is not. | Mar 18 21:04 |
| radsy | i've been moved to this guide | Mar 18 21:04 |
| *danielsmw has quit ("Lost terminal") | Mar 18 21:04 | |
| Sparks | radsy: Okay, do you have anything you'd like to say? | Mar 18 21:04 |
| radsy | mdious left the docs team | Mar 18 21:04 |
| Sparks | really? | Mar 18 21:05 |
| ianweller | wha | Mar 18 21:05 |
| radsy | very little to report for the managing-confined-services guide, only minor changes and lots of planning | Mar 18 21:05 |
| radsy | he's gone to the other side of our office, the security response team | Mar 18 21:05 |
| Sparks | wow | Mar 18 21:06 |
| Sparks | Okay, so any questions about the SELinux guide? | Mar 18 21:06 |
| ianweller | :( | Mar 18 21:06 |
| radsy | thought you all knew :\ | Mar 18 21:06 |
| Sparks | radsy: Nope, hadn't heard that | Mar 18 21:07 |
| radsy | well, no questions or major updates really, still early days | Mar 18 21:08 |
| Sparks | Okay... | Mar 18 21:08 |
| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Open Discussion | Mar 18 21:08 | |
| laubersm | Another thing I noticed that needs to be done at some point... is a cleanup of bugzilla (Classification: Fedora - Product: Fedora Documentation) | Mar 18 21:08 |
| Sparks | Anyone have anything? | Mar 18 21:08 |
| laubersm | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=Fedora&product=Fedora%20Documentation&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED | Mar 18 21:08 |
| laubersm | 83 bugs? | Mar 18 21:08 |
| laubersm | A lot look like they are auto assigned to quaid or stickster_afk | Mar 18 21:09 |
| Sparks | laubersm: I don't think I have access to those bugs... | Mar 18 21:09 |
| Sparks | quaid: You still here? | Mar 18 21:09 |
| laubersm | I closed a bunch as wont fix - EOL | Mar 18 21:09 |
| Sparks | laubersm: Cool. | Mar 18 21:09 |
| laubersm | .fasinfo laubersm | Mar 18 21:09 |
| Sparks | laubersm: How many are left? | Mar 18 21:09 |
| zodbot | laubersm: User: laubersm, Name: Susan Lauber, email: susan@ties.org, Creation: 2008-09-26, IRC Nick: , Timezone: US/Eastern, Locale: en, Extension: 5115531, GPG key ID: BFA10974 | Mar 18 21:09 |
| zodbot | laubersm: Approved Groups: cla_done fedorabugs docs sysadmin ambassadors cla_fedora sysadmin-test gitinstall-guide gitwikirename gituser-guide | Mar 18 21:09 |
| zodbot | laubersm: Unapproved Groups: None | Mar 18 21:09 |
| laubersm | quaid, and stickster_afk helped me get fedorabugs group in fas | Mar 18 21:10 |
| laubersm | that let me work on some cleanup. | Mar 18 21:10 |
| Sparks | ahhh | Mar 18 21:10 |
| Sparks | cool | Mar 18 21:10 |
| Sparks | I'll check on that. | Mar 18 21:10 |
| laubersm | But I don't really have time right now to add that to my list of things to do. | Mar 18 21:10 |
| Sparks | Anyone have anything else? | Mar 18 21:10 |
| Sparks | 5 | Mar 18 21:11 |
| Sparks | 4 | Mar 18 21:11 |
| Sparks | 3 | Mar 18 21:11 |
| Sparks | 2 | Mar 18 21:11 |
| Sparks | 1 | Mar 18 21:11 |
| Sparks | Thanks everyone for coming! | Mar 18 21:11 |
| Sparks | </meeting> | Mar 18 21:11 |