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| Sparks | <meeting id="Docs"> | 20:00 |
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| -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Meeting - Agenda: Docs_Project_meetings | 20:00 | |
| Sparks | Roll call... | 20:00 |
| * Sparks is here | 20:00 | |
| * ke4qqq is here | 20:00 | |
| * sk0rd is here | 20:01 | |
| * jjmcd is somewhere | 20:01 | |
| * rudi is here | 20:02 | |
| * laubersm is here | 20:02 | |
| * Sparks gives a few more minutes for everyone to show up | 20:03 | |
| * laubersm goes to get a drink - brb | 20:03 | |
| ianweller | if you need me, ping me, i'll be distracted mostly | 20:03 |
| Sparks | ianweller: We need you | 20:03 |
| ianweller | *thud* | 20:03 |
| Sparks | Okay... let's get started. | 20:05 |
| laubersm | mmmm | 20:05 |
| Sparks | ke4qqq: Can you handle the log for tonight? | 20:05 |
| ke4qqq | sure | 20:05 |
| Sparks | ke4qqq: Thanks | 20:05 |
| -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Meeting - Release Announcement | 20:05 | |
| Sparks | Okay... This has been moved up to high priority. | 20:06 |
| * ianweller removes that pot from the back burner | 20:06 | |
| Sparks | Release_Announcement_for_F11 | 20:06 |
| Sparks | I had writer's block over the weekend and I won't be around this weekend. | 20:06 |
| Sparks | Since the release has been pushed back by a week we have a little breathing room... | 20:07 |
| SgtDitt | here | 20:07 |
| Sparks | however we need to get this done ASAP so the translators can get on it. | 20:07 |
| Sparks | Who can write up a draft that we can look at? | 20:07 |
| Sparks | Don't everyone volunteer at once, now... I'd hate to crash the IRC network | 20:08 |
| Sparks | ianweller: Do you have some time to write an opening paragraph for the announcement? | 20:09 |
| rudi | Sparks - I can do it, but it will be a few days before I get to it. | 20:09 |
| ianweller | Sparks: "We're awesome." | 20:09 |
| rudi | (over the weekend0 | 20:09 |
| ianweller | Sparks: but in all seriousness i could come up withs omething and get it to the list tonight | 20:09 |
| Sparks | rudi: Okay. The schedule says that we were supposed to begin this today and have it done by Friday... that was before the push | 20:09 |
| Sparks | ianweller: put it on the wiki... that way it's already there | 20:10 |
| ianweller | well, yeah. ping the list that i actually did it too | 20:10 |
| Sparks | yeah | 20:10 |
| ianweller | that was what i meant to say :P | 20:10 |
| Sparks | :) | 20:10 |
| Sparks | Cool | 20:10 |
| Sparks | ianweller: rudi: thanks! | 20:10 |
| sk0rd | I'll shoot for a draft on the page as well | 20:11 |
| ianweller | so the rel announcement is gonna be i18n'd? | 20:11 |
| Sparks | How is this presented to the "customers"? | 20:11 |
| Sparks | ianweller: Supposedly | 20:11 |
| Sparks | ianweller: which is confusing me because I'm not sure how it's being propagated | 20:11 |
| ianweller | Sparks: mailing list usually | 20:12 |
| Sparks | Maybe we can get that answer when stickster_afk shows up. | 20:12 |
| Sparks | ianweller: Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Maybe I misread the schedule | 20:12 |
| laubersm | I think we are reposonsible for an English annoucement for emails. But a lot of locations like to translate and tweak it for their regions | 20:13 |
| laubersm | I do not think it has ever been a tranfix thing | 20:13 |
| Sparks | I'm good with that. | 20:13 |
| laubersm | but that may of changed... | 20:13 |
| jjmcd | The instructions say to keep that in mind | 20:13 |
| ianweller | yeah so write it as if it were to be translated | 20:13 |
| Sparks | So should they be put somewhere and "translated" into XML? | 20:13 |
| jjmcd | Some translated literally, other parts may be radically revised in translation | 20:14 |
| jjmcd | I don't think so. Sounds like most will be rewritten for the target geography | 20:14 |
| laubersm | Sparks, I do think we have in the past but we'll have to check with our elders (quaid, stickster_afk ) | 20:14 |
| laubersm | opp | 20:14 |
| laubersm | do NOT think we have | 20:14 |
| Sparks | laubersm: Yeah, where are those old people? | 20:15 |
| Sparks | Okay... looks like we have this moving | 20:16 |
| Sparks | I appreciate it. | 20:16 |
| laubersm | "Turn up the volume (if you can), select a mode for video - the Lion roars as Fedora 11 arrives" | 20:16 |
| laubersm | too snarky ? | 20:16 |
| Sparks | Nope | 20:16 |
| Sparks | :) | 20:16 |
| Sparks | Okay, we'll talk about this more after the meeting... | 20:17 |
| Sparks | any questions? | 20:17 |
| * jjmcd will be sure to be around to make jabs at ianweller | 20:17 | |
| Sparks | jjmcd: Much appreciated | 20:17 |
| Sparks | Okay... moving on... | 20:17 |
| -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Meeting - Status on Release Notes <-- ryanlerch & jjmcd | 20:17 | |
| Sparks | How are them there Release Notes coming? | 20:17 |
| * jjmcd hasn't caught up on all the cool stuff laubersm, rudi, zoglesby, etc. did while he was playing at Dayton | 20:18 | |
| laubersm | jjmcd, yeah about that.... | 20:18 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: Oh there were many things that happened while you were away | 20:18 |
| laubersm | I think rudi was on top of adding the last minutes items and getting a new pot | 20:19 |
| rudi | Yep all done. | 20:19 |
| laubersm | I assume everything else just goes on the wiki | 20:19 |
| jjmcd | We do a 0-day RPM | 20:19 |
| rudi | There were a couple of bugs filed overnight about Section IDs and re-adding the Common Bugs section from F10 | 20:20 |
| jjmcd | Yeah, I saw that | 20:20 |
| rudi | I've confirmed that we could do this with practically no impact to L10N | 20:20 |
| laubersm | jjmcd, from what is being translated now? or are we pushing one more pot too? | 20:20 |
| Sparks | I've noted a few messages on the list talking about updates | 20:20 |
| jjmcd | If nobody else is making a bunch of changes I can go ahead and add the id's | 20:20 |
| jjmcd | We are scheduled to push a pot immediately after release | 20:21 |
| jjmcd | seemd weird but | 20:21 |
| laubersm | jjmcd, I think that one is to then update docs.fp.o | 20:21 |
| rudi | jjmcd I've got them done and ready to push... | 20:21 |
| jjmcd | yes, i think that is correct | 20:21 |
| laubersm | no more rpms after GA - though we could push one through updates if we wanted | 20:21 |
| jjmcd | cool | 20:21 |
| * quaid is able to be here now for a short bit | 20:22 | |
| rudi | There was also a request to add a note about libguestfs, but I think this is way too late now, yes? | 20:22 |
| * jjmcd is doing some reports for MSP, not going well, Eric's writer's block is catching | 20:22 | |
| laubersm | if anything else comes in before we build the ga rpm - then it sounds like we can add a link to the wiki info without bothering the translators | 20:23 |
| laubersm | is that true? | 20:23 |
| quaid | translators? for release announcement? | 20:23 |
| * quaid is confused now | 20:23 | |
| jjmcd | We did get a week push back | 20:23 |
| laubersm | then it is "in" the rpm for those looking there to know there is more info "somewhere" | 20:23 |
| jjmcd | quaid: previous topic | 20:24 |
| sk0rd | can someone speak more to the push back? docs is my only insight as to what's going on | 20:24 |
| quaid | jjmcd: we need to revisit when we get a chance, there is a misconception underway | 20:24 |
| ke4qqq | sk0rd: we'll talk in #f-d | 20:24 |
| quaid | sk0rd: release engineering in yesterday's meetings declared a week slip in the schedule | 20:24 |
| Sparks | quaid: I must have misread the schedule. There isn't anything about translating the annoucement on there now | 20:24 |
| quaid | Sparks: can I speak on that now? or wait until a topic change soonest? | 20:25 |
| Sparks | quaid: Go for it | 20:25 |
| quaid | ok, I've tried to make this clear on some wiki page that I can't find right now :) | 20:25 |
| quaid | there are two deliverables -- | 20:25 |
| jjmcd | /Releases/Announcements | 20:25 |
| quaid | 1. A set of clear top-five talking points for _others_ to use when constructing their own, native language, locale-specific (humor, no humor, etc.) release announcement | 20:26 |
| quaid | 2. A whimsical, English-only release announcement that i) uses those same talking points (functionally similar to locally written announcements), but ii) is not for | 20:26 |
| l10n itself because of idiomatic/culture specific content | ||
| quaid | it is the latter that is the main need from Docs | 20:27 |
| quaid | the former is more handled by Marketing, but $someone needs to tell f-amb-l and f-trans-l | 20:27 |
| quaid | that the points are ready for them to use for their own locale-specific write-up. | 20:27 |
| quaid | <eof> | 20:27 |
| jjmcd | OK, that was mostly my understanding except it wasn't clear that Marketing was handling the former, Docs the latter, nor was the top-five clear | 20:28 |
| jjmcd | Releases/Announcements makes it sound like some undefined body | 20:29 |
| quaid | well, to be honest, I'm not clear if Marketing has that former task on their schedule | 20:29 |
| laubersm | that is even easier than what I said - I thought 1 came more from 2 ... but that it was still just a write up (no xml or tx from docs). | 20:29 |
| quaid | I sort-of dropped that ball this release, since I've been the main driver on that for the last several | 20:29 |
| quaid | laubersm: it's also honestly fun -- you should do it! | 20:29 |
| laubersm | "Turn up the volume (if you can), select a mode for video - the Lion roars as Fedora 11 arrives" | 20:29 |
| laubersm | that was my attempt :) | 20:29 |
| quaid | heh | 20:30 |
| laubersm | seems a bit snarky even for the english version | 20:30 |
| laubersm | :) | 20:30 |
| jjmcd | laubersm, seems to me Fedora's image is a little "corporate", snarky might be good | 20:30 |
| quaid | Release_announcement_template | 20:30 |
| quaid | Release_announcements | 20:31 |
| quaid | there we go! | 20:31 |
| sk0rd | the l10n reference is a bit obscure. With the art team working on grecian references, why not duplicate the theme | 20:31 |
| quaid | that has a link to all previous whimsical announcements | 20:31 |
| * laubersm notes it is only in a Marketing Category - no wonder we we didn't have it here in docs... | 20:31 | |
| quaid | there is no pattern on theme duplication or ref. to release name, although that is a popular theme. | 20:31 |
| * laubersm logs into wiki... | 20:32 | |
| quaid | um, Release_announcements is in [[Category:Docs Project]] | 20:32 |
| laubersm | the template is not | 20:33 |
| laubersm | or WAS not | 20:33 |
| laubersm | :) | 20:33 |
| * laubersm also moved the [[Category: to the bottom where it belongs | 20:33 | |
| Sparks | laubersm: ianweller will thank you | 20:33 |
| laubersm | :) | 20:34 |
| jjmcd | hmmmm, reading the F10 announcement, I hope there was an en-GB version | 20:34 |
| Sparks | ? | 20:35 |
| jjmcd | might work for nl, or even en-AU, but not the straight laced Brits | 20:35 |
| * ianweller thanks laubersm | 20:35 | |
| Sparks | laubersm: See, I told you | 20:35 |
| quaid | one other point, not sure if it is on that page ... | 20:37 |
| quaid | but the whimsical announcement must be approved by the sitting FPL, in this case, stickster_afk | 20:37 |
| quaid | just give him ~24 hours heads up | 20:37 |
| jjmcd | most of us would value his counsel anyway | 20:37 |
| Sparks | most of us wonder why he bails on us these days | 20:38 |
| jjmcd | Probably he has more to do than just chill on IRC, just guessing | 20:38 |
| jjmcd | Isn't he about to head to Romania? | 20:38 |
| Sparks | Probably | 20:39 |
| Sparks | I don't know... haven't heard anything about Romania | 20:39 |
| sk0rd | ok, next topic? | 20:39 |
| sk0rd | ;) | 20:39 |
| Sparks | Okay.. anything else on the announcement? | 20:39 |
| * quaid is done and has to vaporize now | 20:39 | |
| jjmcd | I thought I heard he was speaking in Bucharest this weekend | 20:39 |
| Sparks | wow | 20:39 |
| Sparks | Okay... anything else on the RNs? | 20:40 |
| -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Meeting - Review http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/f-11-docs-tasks.html schedule | 20:40 | |
| jjmcd | </rn> | 20:40 |
| rudi | Just confirmation that we agree that libguestfs is too late? | 20:40 |
| Sparks | too late for zero-day? | 20:41 |
| rudi | Yeah | 20:41 |
| jjmcd | The schedule saysfinal snapshot today and release pushed back a week, so I would say no, not too late | 20:41 |
| Sparks | yeah, I think we should take advantage of the push | 20:41 |
| rudi | OK - but I guess we should get confirmation that L10N is happy with that... | 20:41 |
| jjmcd | I agree | 20:42 |
| rudi | OK - I'll ask :) | 20:42 |
| jjmcd | today = today zulu time | 20:42 |
| rudi | Doesn't that mean that the translations would need to be completed by today? | 20:43 |
| Sparks | how many changes need to be fixed? | 20:44 |
| jjmcd | It says build rpm 5/25 | 20:44 |
| jjmcd | Seems like there has been a flood of bugs today | 20:44 |
| rudi | Sparks - the section IDs (fixed), the Common Bugs section (fixed, but one problem), and the request to add libguestfs to the RN | 20:45 |
| Sparks | so... five lines? | 20:45 |
| rudi | Checking... | 20:46 |
| rudi | Yep | 20:46 |
| Sparks | cool | 20:47 |
| Sparks | that shouldn't be too bad to "repair' | 20:47 |
| rudi | There are also requests for documentation of two bugs, one in anaconda and one in libfprint, but I think they can go on the Common bugs page on the wiki, yes? | 20:48 |
| Sparks | I would think so | 20:48 |
| Sparks | Anything else? | 20:50 |
| rudi | Not that I'm aware of | 20:50 |
| -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Meeting - Guides | 20:50 | |
| Sparks | Okay, due to the hour I'm not going to go through all the guides | 20:50 |
| Sparks | does anyone need anything for their guides or is anyone having any problems? | 20:51 |
| * ke4qqq needs more time | 20:51 | |
| Sparks | for the IG? | 20:51 |
| ke4qqq | but thankfully rudi is doing a great job of keep things moving | 20:51 |
| Sparks | You have a week more! | 20:51 |
| ke4qqq | lol wow - granted my wish :) | 20:52 |
| rudi | ke4qqq - what needs doing? | 20:52 |
| ke4qqq | rudi: I was talking about I need more time - as far as I know the IG is in good shape, we probably need to get the final release ready (get rid of draft tag) but we | 20:52 |
| can talk in a bit and not hold up the meeting | ||
| rudi | OK - yep :) | 20:53 |
| -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Meeting - Open Floor | 20:54 | |
| Sparks | Okay, anyone have anything they want to discuss? | 20:54 |
| rudi | Translators have noticed a couple of glitches in the big, merged PO files for both the IG and UG, but I've suggested we wait until Transifex 0.6 is available rather than | 20:54 |
| do anything about these now | ||
| ke4qqq | Me! | 20:54 |
| jjmcd | Do I gather we have agreement on everything in Publican for 12?: | 20:54 |
| sk0rd | I did, heck if I can remember. | 20:54 |
| ke4qqq | FAD_SELF <--- Docs FAD | 20:54 |
| laubersm | jjmcd, I agree - but can we have less than everything ? | 20:54 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: Not yet | 20:55 |
| sk0rd | ah, new contributors, hand raised when ready. | 20:55 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: I'd like to have a free minute or two to really think about it. I didn't see anything objectionable, though | 20:55 |
| Sparks | ke4qqq: Okay... go with your shameless plug | 20:55 |
| ke4qqq | honestly I think we are in a poor place to make that decision jjmcd - immediately before release - extremely busy with all of that - might make for less than reasoned | 20:56 |
| look. | ||
| ke4qqq | We have a docs fad at the above link | 20:56 |
| ke4qqq | you should all attend | 20:56 |
| ke4qqq | (And SELF the day before) | 20:56 |
| ke4qqq | ianweller is going to teach packaging | 20:56 |
| Sparks | ke4qqq: That's all you got? | 20:56 |
| jjmcd | ke4qqq, I can buy that. I was just hoping to check one more thing off the list :-) | 20:56 |
| ke4qqq | and hopefully we can hash this out. | 20:56 |
| * Sparks is still contemplating on how to get down there | 20:56 | |
| ke4qqq | that is it from me | 20:56 |
| Sparks | ke4qqq: how many Fedora hams are going to be there? | 20:57 |
| Sparks | ke4qqq: Maybe a designated simplex freq? | 20:57 |
| * laubersm prods Sparks to get to the "new contributor" before time runs out | 20:57 | |
| ke4qqq | 2 that I know of. | 20:57 |
| Sparks | ke4qqq: ok | 20:57 |
| ke4qqq | I'll add that | 20:57 |
| Sparks | sk0rd: Go ahead! | 20:57 |
| sk0rd | I've been really happy with the time that people have spent with me, but I've noticed quite a few introductions and whatnot through the mailing list | 20:58 |
| * jjmcd has been emailing applicants to get intros | 20:58 | |
| sk0rd | as far as getting people involved, does anyone have any thoughts on improving the documentation on... joining documentation and getting started? | 20:58 |
| Sparks | sk0rd: We need to get on that as well. This is just a really "bad" time to join as we are rushing to get everything finished for the release | 20:59 |
| laubersm | I think a lot of us have ideas but no one has settled down enough to get it done. | 20:59 |
| laubersm | sk0rd, I came in about this time one release ago to the same issues | 20:59 |
| Sparks | but we should make it a priority to be better with being able to get new members on track early | 20:59 |
| sk0rd | Sparks, it is so for senior contributors yes | 20:59 |
| jjmcd | Sparks, gotta strike while the iron is hot, tho | 21:00 |
| Sparks | Oh, I agree! | 21:00 |
| sk0rd | perhaps I'll try and hit on it | 21:00 |
| Sparks | There will be changes for F12. | 21:00 |
| sk0rd | </comment> | 21:00 |
| laubersm | sk0rd, no - any one - if there is something that wasn't clear to you before and somehow is now - please jump in and expand in the join docs! | 21:00 |
| laubersm | I and others have been prodding quaid and stickster_afk to go through and "fix up" the pages too | 21:01 |
| laubersm | with their years of wisdom | 21:01 |
| ianweller | ke4qqq: oh i am teaching packaging? interesting. | 21:01 |
| Sparks | ianweller: You are now | 21:01 |
| ke4qqq | by fiat | 21:01 |
| jjmcd | you are our leading expert | 21:01 |
| ke4qqq | :) | 21:01 |
| laubersm | ianweller, the CMS is to be all packaged before you can sleep | 21:01 |
| laubersm | the more people you teach, the more likely you will get to sleep | 21:02 |
| * laubersm says knowing she will not be able to be there | 21:02 | |
| ianweller | looks like i'm getting no sleep | 21:02 |
| ke4qqq | ianweller: I tried to get jds2001, but looks like he is unavailable | 21:02 |
| ianweller | ke4qqq: oic. | 21:02 |
| ke4qqq | and then Max said sending you was 'the right thing to do' | 21:02 |
| ke4qqq | :) | 21:02 |
| ianweller | i saw that | 21:03 |
| jjmcd | THat way you'll be all practiced up to teach at FUDcon | 21:04 |
| Sparks | Okay, anything else? | 21:05 |
| Sparks | I'd like to mention that I'll be helping my wife move for the summer (summer internship) beginning tomorrow and I won't be back until Monday. I won't have Internet | 21:07 |
| access during this time so I'm turning over the conn to jjmcd for the weekend. | ||
| laubersm | excellent! | 21:07 |
| * jjmcd will be around | 21:07 | |
| Sparks | Okay, anything else? | 21:08 |
| jjmcd | Sparks, Does that mean you will be batching it for the summer? | 21:08 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: pretty much | 21:08 |
| Sparks | pizza and soda all summer long | 21:08 |
| jjmcd | Ooooh, bad. Gotta fend for yourself | 21:08 |
| * jjmcd suspects Sparks needs time in .de to learn things that go better with pizza | 21:09 | |
| Sparks | I have some projects to work on over the summer... maybe that will keep me out of trouble. | 21:09 |
| * Sparks is too poor to go to .de... | 21:09 | |
| Sparks | okay, anything else? | 21:09 |
| Sparks | 5 | 21:09 |
| Sparks | 4 | 21:09 |
| Sparks | 3 | 21:10 |
| Sparks | 2 | 21:10 |
| Sparks | 1 | 21:10 |
| Sparks | </meeting> | 21:10 |