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| Sparks | #startmeeting | 20:00 |
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| Sparks | #meetingtopic Docs Meeting | 20:00 |
| fedbot | Meeting started Thu Jun 18 00:03:00 2009 UTC. The chair is Sparks. | 20:00 |
| fedbot | Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot , Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link | 20:00 |
| #topic. | ||
| Sparks | #topic Agenda: Docs_Project_meetings | 20:00 |
| -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: (Meeting topic: Docs Meeting) | 20:00 | |
| radsy | oooh, that's cool | 20:01 |
| Sparks | Roll Call | 20:01 |
| * Sparks is here | 20:01 | |
| * radsy is here | 20:01 | |
| * jjmcd would like to clear by 0100Z | 20:02 | |
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| * ianweller is sorta kind here maybe | 20:03 | |
| * rudi is here | 20:03 | |
| Sparks | jjmcd: me too | 20:03 |
| jjmcd | Japanese Game Show? | 20:03 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: Yes | 20:03 |
| jjmcd | ;-) | 20:03 |
| * kgs wonders if visitors introduce themselves | 20:05 | |
| Sparks | sure! | 20:05 |
| Sparks | Okay, let's get started... | 20:05 |
| Sparks | #topic Meeting procedures | 20:05 |
| -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Meeting procedures (Meeting topic: Docs Meeting) | 20:05 | |
| Sparks | You may have noticed that we have a new bot in the room with us taking notes. Fedbot is a new bot that automates some | 20:06 |
| channel maintenance for the OPs but also has some real nifty meeting commands as well. You can read more about this bot at | ||
| http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | ||
| * quaid is here now | 20:06 | |
| -!- Irssi: Pasting 7 lines to #fedora-meeting. Press Ctrl-K if you wish to do this or Ctrl-C to cancel. | 20:06 | |
| Sparks | To get the most out of this bot we should learn to use the following commands: | 20:06 |
| Sparks | info - Add an info item to the minutes. People should liberally use this for important things they say, so that they can be | 20:06 |
| logged in the minutes. | ||
| Sparks | action - Document an action item in the minutes. Include any nicknames in the line, and the item will be assigned to them. | 20:06 |
| (nicknames are case-sensitive) | ||
| Sparks | idea - Add an idea to the minutes. | 20:06 |
| Sparks | help - Add a "Call for Help" to the minutes. Use this command when you need to recruit someone to do a task. | 20:06 |
| (Counter-intuitively, this doesn't provide help on the bot) | ||
| Sparks | link - Add a link to the meeting minutes. The link should be the first non-command on the line, other commentary after the | 20:06 |
| link is OK. Links beginning with http:// and a few other protocols are automatically detected. | ||
| Sparks | All commands start with a # so you have to use that (i.e. #idea). | 20:06 |
| * Sparks pauses for any query... | 20:06 | |
| quaid | what does the result look like? | 20:06 |
| * zoglesby is here | 20:07 | |
| quaid | I've seen a log before, but it was just bold faced stuff | 20:07 |
| * nirik notes he will in the next few days be getting it setup to log to a fedoraproject machine and run from zodbot. | 20:07 | |
| Sparks | quaid: I don't know. I guess we'll see | 20:07 |
| quaid | ah, Ok | 20:07 |
| nirik | output looks like: http://fedorapeople.org/~kevin/fedora-meeting/2009/fedora-meeting.2009-06-12-17.01.html | 20:07 |
| quaid | so it's somewhat data capture for now? we don't have it auto-generating logs for mailing lists, etc yet? | 20:07 |
| quaid | ah! | 20:08 |
| Sparks | Hmmm... | 20:08 |
| Sparks | Yeah, that's going to take some getting used to. | 20:08 |
| quaid | ok, much better, thanks; I'd only seen a straight IRC log generation | 20:08 |
| nirik | not yet, but I am working with upstream and he's been fixing things like mad. ;) | 20:09 |
| nirik | if anyone has suggestions/changes/thoughts, feel free to ping me with them and I will pass them on. | 20:09 |
| Sparks | nirik: I'll probably have some for you in an hour. | 20:09 |
| nirik | sounds good. ;) | 20:09 |
| Sparks | Okay... | 20:10 |
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| Sparks | I'd also like to start using Meeting Protocols (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Meeting_Protocol) for | 20:10 |
| our meetings. I think it will help keep the momentum up and we won't waste time. | ||
| Sparks | Basically, all you have to do is follow these simple instructions: | 20:10 |
| Sparks | 1. Please watch what others are doing and do not interrupt | 20:10 |
| Sparks | 2. If you have a question, type "?" | 20:10 |
| Sparks | 3. If you need to speak, type "!" | 20:10 |
| Sparks | 4. If you're done speaking, type "eof" | 20:10 |
| Sparks | 5. If you agree, type "+1" | 20:10 |
| Sparks | Any questions or comments? | 20:11 |
| quaid | hmmm | 20:11 |
| quaid | I won't say no personally, but | 20:11 |
| quaid | I've found those to be most helpful where the common language | 20:11 |
| quaid | is not the first language spoken of participants. | 20:11 |
| quaid | so, it would be a good practice to welcome non-native English speakers | 20:12 |
| quaid | but it does interrupt flow | 20:12 |
| quaid | <eof> | 20:12 |
| ianweller | +1 | 20:12 |
| Sparks | Well, we seem to take a while typing things we want to say and I'm not sure if I'm waiting for someone to respond or not. | 20:12 |
| radsy | +1 | 20:13 |
| ianweller | (oh by the way i was +1ing quaid) | 20:13 |
| quaid | Sparks: I do like eof as a convention, yeah | 20:13 |
| quaid | it's a kindness | 20:13 |
| Sparks | I'm not looking for strict adherence... but just for folks to keep in mind if they want to say something so I know they are | 20:14 |
| typing something | ||
| Sparks | Okay, anyone have anything else to say before we move on to the REAL important stuff? | 20:15 |
| radsy | no | 20:16 |
| rudi | no <eof> | 20:16 |
| jjmcd | ^Z | 20:16 |
| Sparks | #topic FAD SELF 2009 After action report | 20:16 |
| -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FAD SELF 2009 After action report (Meeting topic: Docs Meeting) | 20:16 | |
| Sparks | We had a wonderful time at the Fedora Activity Day (FAD) after SELF in Clemson. We had a couple of participants that | 20:16 |
| remotely attended the session and six people who were physically in Clemson. | ||
| Sparks | Everyone should have received the final "notes" from the FAD. | 20:17 |
| Sparks | Has everyone had a change to look over the notes? | 20:17 |
| Sparks | And does anyone have any questions about the FAD? | 20:17 |
| jjmcd | ? | 20:17 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: Yes | 20:17 |
| jjmcd | Do we have a plan to get names attached to those action items not taken? | 20:18 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: Not as of yet. But we should. If you want to take something then go for it. | 20:19 |
| jjmcd | ! | 20:19 |
| Sparks | Oh I see this going badly | 20:19 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: yes? | 20:19 |
| jjmcd | We should also take poelcat's suggestion to use that list and the retrospective list as a potential task list for new joiners | 20:19 |
| Sparks | +1 | 20:19 |
| jjmcd | eof | 20:20 |
| zoglesby | +1 | 20:20 |
| quaid | ! Sparks: one option is to have people just ! and ? then speak, without being cleared by the moderator; that is, self-police | 20:20 |
| a bit :) | ||
| Sparks | Yes... | 20:20 |
| Sparks | I guess that's kinda what I meant. | 20:20 |
| Sparks | quaid: Thank you | 20:20 |
| jjmcd | ! | 20:20 |
| jjmcd | Doesn't make a lot of diff when you type as slow as me | 20:20 |
| Sparks | :) | 20:20 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: I'll try to put together a list of items to do from the FAD and let's see what we can get done. | 20:21 |
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| zoglesby | ? | 20:21 |
| uclugLee | Greetings and salutations. | 20:21 |
| Sparks | Yes Zach | 20:21 |
| zoglesby | Did we get anywere with the calendar after the FAD? | 20:22 |
| Sparks | zoglesby: Kinda... I want to talk to poelcat to see if he can help. | 20:22 |
| zoglesby | I didn't see it in the notes, but we talked about it for a while | 20:22 |
| zoglesby | ok | 20:22 |
| zoglesby | eof | 20:22 |
| Sparks | zoglesby: There is a calendaring program coming down the line | 20:22 |
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| Sparks | Anything else for the FAD? | 20:23 |
| Sparks | #topic Docs_decisions_for_F12 | 20:24 |
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| Sparks | jjmcd: Would you like to talk about this since you started the topic? | 20:24 |
| jjmcd | Well I think we covered a lot Sunday | 20:24 |
| jjmcd | We have some new ideas on RN's | 20:25 |
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| jjmcd | Content, perhaps a totally new organization, I see some more ideas on f-d-l | 20:25 |
| jjmcd | We have a better understanding on the l10n issues, as well as the codes (although no decisiosn there) | 20:25 |
| jjmcd | Rudi has prempted the Publican question ;-)) | 20:26 |
| Sparks | :) | 20:26 |
| rudi | :D | 20:26 |
| jjmcd | Still no real answer on homepage and how to actually present them | 20:26 |
| jjmcd | I think we have some really good plans tho | 20:26 |
| jjmcd | but we need to share them more widely before implementing | 20:26 |
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| jjmcd | Not sure we are necessarily aware of the URQs | 20:27 |
| jjmcd | eof | 20:27 |
| Sparks | URQs? | 20:27 |
| jjmcd | User Requirements | 20:27 |
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| Sparks | Ahh | 20:27 |
| jjmcd | <---- requirements geek | 20:27 |
| Sparks | I think one thing that stickster had a good idea about was the different expectations... | 20:27 |
| Sparks | by different users. One set wants the one page, with pictures, RNs while... | 20:28 |
| jjmcd | Yes. I think the breaking down into different formats langs has some merit | 20:28 |
| Sparks | the more techy group wants the 1000 page RNs with all the info. | 20:28 |
| jjmcd | but that is a big change that probably negatively impacts someone | 20:28 |
| jjmcd | Yes | 20:28 |
| jjmcd | ALtho I still think that ALL the changes with just a link covers 95% of that | 20:28 |
| Sparks | I want to talk with the Marketing folks about it more. | 20:29 |
| jjmcd | as in the example I pointed to somewhere | 20:29 |
| jjmcd | wait | 20:30 |
| jjmcd | #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jjmcd/Drafts/Test_of_table_RNs | 20:30 |
| jjmcd | Did everyone get a look at that? | 20:30 |
| jjmcd | highlight a few biggies and list all the rest | 20:30 |
| Sparks | I didn't... Have now | 20:31 |
| jjmcd | reduces translation and increases the data | 20:31 |
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| Sparks | Good combinations | 20:31 |
| jjmcd | THat way qnyone waiting for a feature/bugfix can see if its there | 20:31 |
| jjmcd | Needless to say, the table is produced by a script | 20:32 |
| jjmcd | Well, program | 20:32 |
| Sparks | Cool | 20:33 |
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| Sparks | Okay, anything else on the F12 discussion? | 20:34 |
| jjmcd | I need more comments on wiki page tho, or here or list | 20:34 |
| * jjmcd will blog on ppl issues | 20:34 | |
| Sparks | Excellent. | 20:34 |
| Sparks | Okay.... moving on... | 20:34 |
| Sparks | #topic Status on CC license discussion. <--quaid | 20:35 |
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| discussion. <--quaid (Meeting topic: Docs Meeting) | ||
| Sparks | quaid: Do you have an update for us? | 20:35 |
| quaid | ok | 20:35 |
| quaid | I may cover what was said last week, but ... | 20:35 |
| quaid | we want an all-clear from Content Services; it sounds good, waiting also to see mhideo's plans. | 20:35 |
| quaid | and I guess I still owe a write-up to f-a-b? | 20:36 |
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| quaid | yes, I do | 20:36 |
| quaid | #action - quaid needs to send a "mother may we" email to f-a-b | 20:36 |
| Sparks | ? | 20:37 |
| Sparks | When do you think we'll be able to change over? ETA? | 20:37 |
| quaid | well, this covers wiki content, we should be consensus seeking v. demanding :) | 20:37 |
| quaid | no ETA, guess I need to articulate an actual plan with dates and stuffnow | 20:37 |
| quaid | #action - quaid needs to specify an action plan around relicensing | 20:37 |
| quaid | so, really ... no change from last week afair :/ | 20:38 |
| Sparks | Okay... At least we are up to date. | 20:38 |
| Sparks | Anyone have anything else? | 20:39 |
| Sparks | #topic Shared open-source style guide | 20:39 |
| kgs | thank you for taking the lead here -- it sets a good example for other projects considering this stuff | 20:39 |
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| open-source style guide] (Meeting topic: Docs Meeting) | ||
| Sparks | Okay... I think stickster asked me to add this to the agenda... | 20:40 |
| Sparks | but I haven't really had time to look at it... | 20:40 |
| Sparks | so I don't have anything to say about it, yet. | 20:40 |
| Sparks | Would anyone like to say anything about it? | 20:41 |
| zoglesby | ? | 20:41 |
| Sparks | Go ahead Zach. | 20:41 |
| zoglesby | I am not sure the point, every group works diffrent, would a guide that basic be worth the time? | 20:41 |
| Sparks | Yeah, I'm not sure of their end result. | 20:42 |
| * jjmcd had similar concerns | 20:42 | |
| Sparks | #action Sparks to find out more information on the shared style guide request. | 20:42 |
| zoglesby | eof | 20:43 |
| Sparks | Anyone else? | 20:44 |
| jjmcd | I can see some benefit from shared development | 20:44 |
| jjmcd | and idea generation but wonder whether the benefit is worth it since it wouild need to be so generic | 20:44 |
| jjmcd | eof | 20:44 |
| Sparks | Yeah, that's the problem I've been fighting... | 20:45 |
| Sparks | I'll try to get more information for next week. | 20:45 |
| Sparks | Anyone else? | 20:45 |
| Sparks | #topic CMS Update <-- ke4qqq | 20:45 |
| -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: CMS Update <-- ke4qqq (Meeting | 20:45 | |
| topic: Docs Meeting) | ||
| Sparks | Is ke4qqq here tonight? | 20:46 |
| Sparks | I guess not. | 20:46 |
| zoglesby | ? | 20:46 |
| Sparks | So I think all the modules have been packaged, now. | 20:47 |
| zoglesby | How much stuff got packaged and is there a list of wats left? | 20:47 |
| zoglesby | oh i can read! | 20:47 |
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| Sparks | One of my packages got rejected due to a licensing issue so I'll be working with Simon to figure out what's going on. | 20:47 |
| ianweller | there's no such thing as a "rejected" package | 20:48 |
| Sparks | zoglesby: Yeah, there might be one left. Get with me afterwards and I'll check BZ. | 20:48 |
| ianweller | just one that isn't approved yet | 20:48 |
| ianweller | unless it's in ForbiddenItems | 20:48 |
| * ianweller heads back out | 20:48 | |
| Sparks | Yeah... what he said. | 20:48 |
| zoglesby | what was the license? | 20:48 |
| Sparks | CC-BY-SA 2.5 | 20:48 |
| Sparks | Which is not compatible with GPL | 20:49 |
| zoglesby | did anyone contact the dev yet? | 20:49 |
| Sparks | This project is being planned to be online within 60 days. We've asked poelcat to assist us with the PM. | 20:50 |
| Sparks | zoglesby: Yeah, Simon (itbegins) is our developer contact. | 20:50 |
| Sparks | Anyone have any other questions or comments? | 20:51 |
| Sparks | #topic DocsProject wiki pages changes | 20:51 |
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| Sparks | Okay, we haven't talked about this one in a while... | 20:51 |
| Sparks | I think ianweller is planning on getting the wikibot working | 20:52 |
| Sparks | this summer so hopefully we'll be able to let the bot | 20:52 |
| Sparks | loose to do some of our work for us. | 20:52 |
| Sparks | Anyone have any questions or comments? | 20:53 |
| Sparks | #topic Calendar | 20:54 |
| -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Calendar (Meeting topic: Docs Meeting) | 20:54 | |
| Sparks | Well, poelcat just sent me a message on #fedora-docs about an .ics file that he is working on for F12. | 20:54 |
| Sparks | I'm sure he'll put stuff on there for us so that might be the short term solution... | 20:55 |
| Sparks | until we get our calendaring solution. | 20:55 |
| Sparks | #link http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12.ics | 20:56 |
| zoglesby | +1 | 20:56 |
| poelcat | easiest way to get stuff into TJ/ics file is email with with: | 20:56 |
| poelcat | 1) name of task (using action words/verbs) | 20:56 |
| poelcat | 2) start date | 20:56 |
| poelcat | 3) how many days it takes | 20:56 |
| poelcat | 4) dependency on other tasks | 20:56 |
| Sparks | Cool! | 20:57 |
| Sparks | anyone have any questions or comments? | 20:57 |
| Sparks | Thanks poelcat | 20:57 |
| * poelcat needs to publish draft of docs schedule for f12 so you all can pick it apart | 20:57 | |
| poelcat | will target fri or monday | 20:57 |
| Sparks | poelcat: That will be great. | 20:58 |
| Sparks | #topic All other business | 20:58 |
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| Sparks | Okay, due to the hour... Does anyone have anything they want to talk about? | 20:58 |
| radsy | ! | 20:58 |
| Sparks | radsy: Go ahead | 20:59 |
| radsy | #link | 20:59 |
| http://sradvan.fedorapeople.org/SELinux_Managing_Confined_Services/en-US/html-single/#chap-Managing_Confined_Services-Squid_Caching_Proxy | ||
| is what i'm working on, for those interested in a look | ||
| radsy | eof | 20:59 |
| Sparks | radsy: Very cool. Do you need any additional resources? | 20:59 |
| radsy | no | 20:59 |
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| about?"] | ||
| Sparks | Okay, anyone else? | 21:00 |
| perspectival | I think I'll take this time to speak up | 21:00 |
| Sparks | perspectival: Go ahead | 21:00 |
| perspectival | I'm Silas and I'm going to be working on the Deployment Guide for F12 | 21:01 |
| perspectival | there is a new branch in svn | 21:01 |
| perspectival | unfortunately that's about all I know at this point :-) but I did want to say hello and let you all know about it | 21:01 |
| quaid | howdy | 21:02 |
| Sparks | perspectival: How different in mission is the Deployment Guide from the Installation Guide? | 21:02 |
| perspectival | So Greetings! | 21:02 |
| perspectival | the deployment guide is different in that it's more of a system administration guide | 21:02 |
| Sparks | perspectival: Excellent! Do you need any resources? | 21:03 |
| perspectival | I will pass on that question until next time if you don't mind | 21:03 |
| perspectival | still figuring out the way forward ;-) | 21:03 |
| Sparks | perspectival: No problem! | 21:03 |
| perspectival | I am accepting any and all hints and tips at this point though | 21:03 |
| perspectival | am paying attention to fedora-docs list, etc. | 21:03 |
| perspectival | <eof for now> | 21:04 |
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| Sparks | Okay. | 21:04 |
| Sparks | Anyone else? | 21:04 |
| Sparks | Okay, I'm calling it a night then... | 21:05 |
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| Sparks | #endmeeting | 21:06 |
| fedbot | Meeting ended Thu Jun 18 01:08:31 2009 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . | 21:06 |
| fedbot | Minutes: http://www.scrye.com/~kevin/fedora/fedora-meeting/2009/fedora-meeting.2009-06-18-00.03.html | 21:06 |
| fedbot | Log: http://www.scrye.com/~kevin/fedora/fedora-meeting/2009/fedora-meeting.2009-06-18-00.03.log.html | 21:06 |