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| Sparks | #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting | 00:02 |
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| Sparks | Roll Call! | 00:02 |
| * Sparks is here | 00:02 | |
| * danielsmw is present | 00:02 | |
| * Tsagadai is present | 00:02 | |
| * ianweller | 00:02 | |
| * joat is too | 00:02 | |
| * jjmcd is here as well | 00:03 | |
| * ianweller is *still* here | 00:03 | |
| * rudi is here | 00:04 | |
| Sparks | Good turn out... still waiting for stickster and quaid | 00:05 |
| jjmcd | and poelcat | 00:05 |
| Sparks | and ke4qqq | 00:06 |
| * stickster is here for a few minutes | 00:06 | |
| stickster | Sparks: Did poelcat know about the schedule item? | 00:06 |
| Sparks | I thought | 00:06 |
| stickster | IOW, did someone let him know? | 00:07 |
| Sparks | specifically about this meeting? I didn't. | 00:07 |
| stickster | I don't know how he was supposed to know to be here then | 00:07 |
| Sparks | He's not on IRC ATM | 00:07 |
| stickster | He's logged in, just not around here | 00:08 |
| Sparks | Wasn't he here last week when we pushed the calendar to this week? | 00:08 |
| stickster | Not sure, I wasn't either :-D | 00:08 |
| * ke4qqq is here | 00:08 | |
| stickster | But anyhow | 00:08 |
| stickster | Let's move on and see if he comes in later | 00:08 |
| * quaid pops in | 00:08 | |
| stickster | I pinged him | 00:08 |
| * Sparks was on the wrong IRC server | 00:08 | |
| * stickster waves to quaid | 00:09 | |
| Sparks | Okay, let's get going! | 00:09 |
| Sparks | #topic Status on CMS (Zikula) <-- ke4qqq | 00:09 |
| Sparks | ke4qqq: Where are you? | 00:09 |
| ke4qqq | right here | 00:09 |
| Sparks | ke4qqq: Where are we on zikula? | 00:09 |
| ke4qqq | getting very close WRT packaging - -Content is the big outstanding one I think | 00:10 |
| ke4qqq | and we need mediashare | 00:10 |
| ke4qqq | I'll try and get mediashare done by tonight | 00:10 |
| ke4qqq | and get everything that's up for review done | 00:10 |
| ke4qqq | as well | 00:10 |
| * Sparks didn't add his poll packages to the Zikula ticket as they weren't required. | 00:11 | |
| ke4qqq | and we still have the fedora specific stuff which I am trying to get uploaded now | 00:11 |
| stickster | ke4qqq: If there's anything lacking by tomorrow, let me know -- I can spend some time on this Friday if needed. | 00:11 |
| * stickster blocked out time with ianweller to make sure packages are reviewed and pushed | 00:11 | |
| ke4qqq | outstanding! | 00:11 |
| Sparks | Cool | 00:13 |
| Sparks | Are all the "Need to Package" tickets assigned and being handled? | 00:13 |
| stickster | News is done, by the way, awaiting review | 00:13 |
| stickster | .bug 512027 | 00:13 |
| Sparks | stickster++ | 00:13 |
| buggbot | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=512027 medium, medium, ---, nobody, NEW, Review Request: zikula-module-News - Manages news articles on your Zikula site | 00:13 |
| buggbot | Bug 512027: medium, medium, ---, nobody, NEW, Review Request: zikula-module-News - Manages news articles on your Zikula site | 00:13 |
| ke4qqq | Sparks: the mediashare I don't know if it is done | 00:13 |
| stickster | Hmm, those bots need to figure out who's on first. | 00:14 |
| Sparks | I seem to remember that one had some problems? | 00:14 |
| stickster | Sparks: We really need to set up dedicated time to go through these one by one. | 00:14 |
| ke4qqq | Sparks: it needed several dependencies which I think stickster took care of most of, and I took care of the other one | 00:14 |
| stickster | i.e. bug review for packages for those that aren't closed | 00:15 |
| stickster | Maybe ianweller and I can make that a focus for Friday. | 00:15 |
| ianweller | Friday Focus(tm) | 00:15 |
| * stickster prefers a methodical approach so we don't wonder, "Didn't we... did you...?" later.. | 00:15 | |
| Sparks | stickster: I agree. Put me down for Friday. I'll see what my calendar looks like tomorrow | 00:15 |
| ke4qqq | +1 the scope is just a bit large at the moment and I don't think any of us have spent the time looking at all ~20 tickts/packages. | 00:16 |
| ianweller | stickster: who are you again? | 00:16 |
| ianweller | ;) | 00:16 |
| stickster | The guy who capitalizes stuff | 00:16 |
| ianweller | everything but your nick | 00:16 |
| ianweller | moving on! | 00:16 |
| ianweller | :) | 00:16 |
| Sparks | Okay... anything else on the Zikula stuff? | 00:17 |
| stickster | So ACTION - ianweller, stickster, Sparks(?), ke4qqq(?) to look at status with a magnifying glass on Friday | 00:17 |
| Sparks | #ACTION ianweller stickster Sparks ke4qqq to look at status on Zikula on Friday to make sure everything is getting done. | 00:17 |
| * ianweller isn't sure if it takes CAPITALIZED commands | 00:18 | |
| Sparks | #action ianweller stickster Sparks ke4qqq to look at status on Zikula on Friday to make sure everything is getting done. | 00:18 |
| Sparks | #lights #camera | 00:18 |
| stickster | We'll soon find out ;-) | 00:18 |
| jjmcd | C programmers - sheesh | 00:19 |
| Sparks | Okay... Moving on... | 00:19 |
| Sparks | #topic Status on CC license discussion. <--quaid | 00:19 |
| Sparks | #link http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/us/ | 00:19 |
| Sparks | quaid: What do you have for us tonight? | 00:19 |
| * Sparks thought quaid was here | 00:20 | |
| * ianweller thought so too | 00:21 | |
| * ke4qqq is stepping away for a moment | 00:21 | |
| stickster | I think it works when you say: quaid quaid quaid quaid quaid | 00:21 |
| stickster | Like that. | 00:21 |
| Sparks | Oh | 00:21 |
| Sparks | quaid quaid quaid quaid quaid | 00:21 |
| ianweller | quack quack quack quack quack | 00:22 |
| stickster | So Sparks, what was the holdover from the last meeting on this topic? | 00:22 |
| Sparks | the last meeting was week 1... we were waiting for the sky to fall | 00:22 |
| Sparks | but it didn't | 00:22 |
| stickster | Right, and we set a 2 week call for input, right? | 00:23 |
| Sparks | yes | 00:23 |
| * stickster overuses "right," right? | 00:23 | |
| Sparks | right | 00:23 |
| Sparks | correct | 00:23 |
| stickster | Heh | 00:23 |
| stickster | I haven't personally seen any odd input. | 00:23 |
| stickster | No even input, either. | 00:23 |
| Sparks | I haven't personally seen any input | 00:23 |
| stickster | If it were my call, I would say that the time for input is over and the time for action is now. | 00:24 |
| Sparks | Does anyone have any input? | 00:24 |
| * danielsmw doesn't. | 00:24 | |
| Sparks | MOTION: I say we make everything written CC-BY-SA v3. | 00:24 |
| stickster | I don't know what's happening internally with RH Content Services though, quaid was mediating that | 00:24 |
| ianweller | second | 00:24 |
| Sparks | +1 | 00:24 |
| ianweller | +1 | 00:24 |
| joat | +1 | 00:24 |
| danielsmw | +1 | 00:24 |
| Tsagadai | +1 for new stuff | 00:25 |
| * stickster tries to remember how zodbot is commanded here... "resolved?" | 00:26 | |
| Sparks | #agreed All documenation will be changed to a CC-BY-SA v3 license. | 00:26 |
| stickster | yeah, that's the ticket. | 00:26 |
| * Sparks waits for all the confetti and ticker tape to stop falling | 00:26 | |
| * danielsmw observers that the confetti stopped. | 00:27 | |
| * danielsmw s/observers/observed/ | 00:27 | |
| Sparks | Okay... moving on | 00:27 |
| Sparks | ke4qqq: You back? | 00:27 |
| Sparks | #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets | 00:28 |
| Sparks | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=Fedora&product=Fedora%20Documentation&bug_status=NEW | 00:28 |
| quaid | *sigh* | 00:29 |
| quaid | you guys never need me when I'm on this screen | 00:29 |
| Sparks | There are 23 tickets that haven't been assigned. Please go through them and see what you can work on. | 00:29 |
| Sparks | quaid: We called and quacked but you didn't come | 00:29 |
| quaid | yeah, I see that _now_ | 00:29 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: There are a few tickets in there for the RNs | 00:29 |
| jjmcd | Yep, I thought I grabbed most of them. Having some git issues a week or so ago, expect to come up for air Friday (finally) | 00:30 |
| Sparks | I'm going to start assigning them on Friday so if you want something cool better roger up for it now! :) | 00:30 |
| * stickster is going to close his if he doesn't get input from f13 or jeremy | 00:30 | |
| jjmcd | I thought it would be tomorrow but I gotta go up to gladwin for a funeral | 00:30 |
| jjmcd | yeah, most of the rn ones are straightforward | 00:31 |
| stickster | .bug 474368 by the way | 00:31 |
| buggbot | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=474368 medium, low, ---, stickster, NEW, Live CDs README says wrong minimal memory requirement | 00:31 |
| stickster | Ha, zodbot, you lose | 00:31 |
| Sparks | So there are 23 NEW tickets and 58 tickets in process. Let's see if we can clean that up some before next week. | 00:32 |
| Sparks | Anyone have anything else? | 00:33 |
| Sparks | ke4qqq: You back? | 00:33 |
| stickster | Sorry, miskey here | 00:33 |
| * stickster has to run away now that he fixed what he done broke | 00:34 | |
| Sparks | bah | 00:34 |
| Sparks | #topic F12 Calendar <-- poelcat | 00:34 |
| Sparks | Does anyone have any input on the F12 calendar? | 00:34 |
| ianweller | do you have a link? | 00:34 |
| * Sparks thinks someone hasn't been paying attention | 00:35 | |
| ianweller | i have my hands in about 500 subprojects, what do you expect :) | 00:35 |
| Sparks | ianweller: for you to know where the F12 calendar is. | 00:35 |
| Sparks | I actually don't have that link handy right this second. | 00:35 |
| Sparks | I've been using the iCal. | 00:35 |
| ianweller | :-o | 00:36 |
| Sparks | I'll push it on the list later. | 00:36 |
| Sparks | anyone else? | 00:36 |
| rudi | http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-docs-and-trans-tasks.html | 00:36 |
| Sparks | rudi++ | 00:36 |
| * ianweller has nothing | 00:37 | |
| Sparks | #topic Guide needs? | 00:38 |
| Sparks | User Guide | 00:38 |
| Sparks | #link https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-July/msg00034.html | 00:38 |
| Sparks | #link https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-July/msg00039.html | 00:38 |
| Sparks | danielsmw: What do you have for the User Guide? | 00:38 |
| danielsmw | Well, one thing I have | 00:38 |
| danielsmw | I take that back | 00:38 |
| danielsmw | I have a lot more than one thiing. | 00:38 |
| danielsmw | Um... so rudi's response on the list if you saw it was very good (it's the latter link) | 00:39 |
| danielsmw | And a lot of whats in that document is where I want to go with the UG. | 00:39 |
| danielsmw | So the plan in my head is to completely start from scratch, and pull in the old content that we want to use on a case-by-case basis | 00:39 |
| ianweller | (+1) | 00:39 |
| danielsmw | so we aren't abandoning the old content, but we're bringing it in to a new format so to speak. | 00:40 |
| Sparks | Wow, now that's a makeover | 00:40 |
| danielsmw | Yeah, it is. | 00:40 |
| danielsmw | But I think it really needs it. | 00:40 |
| rudi | danielsmw -- that's definitely the easiest way to do it | 00:40 |
| danielsmw | Since I took the thing over for F8 | 00:40 |
| danielsmw | it's really just been changed slightly every release | 00:40 |
| danielsmw | and it's become somewhat less easy to manage as it is. | 00:41 |
| danielsmw | It's needs a cleanup makeover. | 00:41 |
| danielsmw | So that's the plan. | 00:41 |
| danielsmw | Also, as a side note, | 00:41 |
| Sparks | danielsmw: Do you have the help/resources you need to make it happen? | 00:41 |
| * rudi is happy to help out with the Publican XML skeleton | 00:41 | |
| danielsmw | Sparks: not formally | 00:41 |
| Sparks | danielsmw: cool | 00:42 |
| danielsmw | But anyway, I was thinking... I'm not sure that User Guide is an appropriate name. | 00:42 |
| danielsmw | If we go this new route per rudi's suggestions and my thoughts. | 00:42 |
| ianweller | Do Stuff Guide | 00:42 |
| danielsmw | Because it would be more like a mixture of an FAQ and a cookbook | 00:42 |
| danielsmw | Like a Fedora Desktop Cookbook | 00:42 |
| danielsmw | or something | 00:42 |
| Sparks | cool | 00:42 |
| ianweller | ooh i like that. | 00:42 |
| ianweller | very much like that. | 00:43 |
| danielsmw | thanks ianweller :) | 00:43 |
| danielsmw | One other poll question | 00:43 |
| danielsmw | The audience for this document.... | 00:43 |
| danielsmw | I was thinking about this: is it for the previously computerless new user? or is it for someone who probably new what they were doing in windows and wants to get involved in linux now? | 00:43 |
| ianweller | both. | 00:44 |
| danielsmw | ianweller: that's what i was afraid of | 00:44 |
| rudi | I agree, both | 00:44 |
| ianweller | danielsmw: i know it's scary | 00:44 |
| danielsmw | Okay, that's still fine. | 00:44 |
| rudi | Buuut, don't overestimate the degree to which "they knew what they were doing in Windows" | 00:44 |
| danielsmw | lol | 00:44 |
| danielsmw | I'm not sure how much one can know what they're doing in windows, | 00:45 |
| danielsmw | but i get what you mean. | 00:45 |
| rudi | I didn't mean that in an entirely cynical way | 00:45 |
| danielsmw | Right | 00:45 |
| danielsmw | But I mean | 00:45 |
| danielsmw | I don't need to explain mouse usage or how to insert a CD. | 00:45 |
| rudi | More that 90% of people spend 90% of their time at their home/small business computers doing the same small number of tasks | 00:45 |
| rudi | There's an element of self-selection here... | 00:45 |
| Sparks | packaging? | 00:45 |
| danielsmw | Oh, and as for contributing upstream | 00:46 |
| rudi | I think those things are at an even more basic level than we can really cater to | 00:46 |
| danielsmw | per rudi's email's suggestion | 00:46 |
| danielsmw | I think that will be more doable in the new format as well. | 00:46 |
| danielsmw | As would be pulling from downstream. | 00:46 |
| danielsmw | So that could help a lot with the rewriting process. | 00:46 |
| * rudi emphasises that wherever we can reuse existing text, we need to make an effort to do so, to ease the load on l10n | 00:47 | |
| danielsmw | rudi: understood | 00:47 |
| danielsmw | And with that, the brevity drought I tend to bring on is at an end. | 00:47 |
| Sparks | Cool | 00:48 |
| Sparks | Anyone have anything for the User Guide/Fedora Desktop Cookbook? | 00:49 |
| * rudi really dislikes the "Cookbook" title, but will take it to the mailing list | 00:49 | |
| Sparks | noted | 00:50 |
| Sparks | Okay... I have a request for the Security Guide | 00:50 |
| Sparks | So I finally got it approved and submitted the SRPM but it fails to build in koji. | 00:50 |
| Sparks | #link http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/getfile?taskID=1474242&name=build.log | 00:51 |
| Sparks | Being that this should affect all Publican patches I'm trying to get it figured out. | 00:51 |
| Sparks | I just don't understand this one. | 00:51 |
| Sparks | So if anyone has any ideas please get with me after the meeting | 00:52 |
| Sparks | Anyone have anything else for existing guides? | 00:52 |
| Sparks | #topic New Guides | 00:52 |
| Sparks | Tsagadai: Go | 00:53 |
| Tsagadai | yes | 00:53 |
| Tsagadai | I have been writing the Virtualization Guide for some time | 00:54 |
| Tsagadai | It's time to send the good stuff upstream | 00:54 |
| Sparks | Tsagadai: what format? DocBook? | 00:55 |
| Tsagadai | Docbook | 00:55 |
| Tsagadai | about 300 pages :) | 00:55 |
| rudi | (and already Publicanized) | 00:55 |
| Sparks | +1000 | 00:55 |
| ianweller | +9000 | 00:56 |
| Sparks | Tsagadai: We can set you up on docs.fp.o if you like | 00:56 |
| Tsagadai | that would be great | 00:56 |
| Sparks | Tsagadai: Great. We'll get you setup tonight | 00:57 |
| rudi | Tsagadai -- you should also open an infra ticket to get the code hosted | 00:57 |
| Tsagadai | link please? | 00:58 |
| rudi | Tsagadai -- I'll walk you through it after the meeting :) | 00:58 |
| Tsagadai | to host on fh.o? | 00:58 |
| * danielsmw has to leave a bit early; peace. | 00:58 | |
| rudi | Yeah, so you can get Transifex hooked into it as well | 00:58 |
| Tsagadai | ah | 00:58 |
| * ianweller notes we have 35 seconds left in the hour | 00:59 | |
| Tsagadai | So the Fedora Virtualization Guide is approved for F12? | 00:59 |
| Sparks | Tsagadai: Go ahead and build the html, html-single, and PDF and we'll get all that uploaded tonight to docs.fp.o. | 00:59 |
| Sparks | Tsagadai: WORKSFORME | 00:59 |
| Sparks | :) | 00:59 |
| Sparks | Anyone have anything for the Virtualization Guide? | 01:00 |
| Sparks | Tsagadai: Thank you for bringing this to us tonight. | 01:00 |
| Sparks | Any other new guides? | 01:01 |
| * rudi has been sketching out the Installation Quick Start Guide, but the skeleton's not quite ready yet. | 01:01 | |
| Sparks | rudi: Have you seen the screenshots on the wiki? | 01:01 |
| rudi | Yes | 01:01 |
| Sparks | #link Installing_Fedora_11_Leonidas | 01:01 |
| Sparks | ^^^ for those that haven't | 01:01 |
| Sparks | rudi: Anything else on that? | 01:02 |
| rudi | Nothing at this stage | 01:02 |
| Sparks | ok | 01:02 |
| rudi | I hoped to have something ready for today, but don't :) | 01:03 |
| Sparks | Tsagadai: Almost forgot... Can you add your guide to Docs_Project_meetings#Guides, please? | 01:03 |
| Tsagadai | sure | 01:03 |
| Sparks | Okay... | 01:03 |
| Sparks | #topic All other business | 01:03 |
| Sparks | Anyone have anything they want to discuss? | 01:03 |
| * jjmcd moves to adjourn | 01:05 | |
| Sparks | nAnyone? | 01:05 |
| Sparks | Thanks everyone for coming! | 01:05 |
| Sparks | #endmeeting | 01:05 |