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| Sparks | #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings | 00:02 |
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| Sparks | #topic Roll Call | 00:02 |
| * Sparks | 00:02 | |
| * rudi is here | 00:03 | |
| * ianweller | 00:03 | |
| * quaid too | 00:04 | |
| quaid | hail hail etc. | 00:06 |
| * Sparks waits a few more seconds for folks | 00:06 | |
| Sparks | #topic Last week's action items | 00:07 |
| Sparks | Okay... this should be interesting... | 00:07 |
| Sparks | Sparks to follow up with Pascal Calarco from News to make sure we are including all packages necessary for Zikula for them. -- Second Alarm | 00:07 |
| Sparks | Okay, I sent a message to the News folks and didn't really hear anything back from them, IIRC. | 00:08 |
| Sparks | I think they'll be set with what we're planning. | 00:08 |
| Sparks | rudi to help sparks on changing the fedora-brand in Publican for CC license -- Second Alarm | 00:08 |
| quaid | I agree, Marketing is finding it sufficient with similar needs, I reckon. | 00:09 |
| Sparks | rudi: That is pretty much ready to go, correctly? | 00:09 |
| Sparks | errr... correct? | 00:09 |
| * quaid rubs his hands gleefully | 00:09 | |
| rudi | Sparks -- yes. I have a draft that legal is happy with | 00:09 |
| Sparks | rudi: Excellent. Let's push forward with that, then. | 00:09 |
| Sparks | Sparks to package the three GPL editors for Zikula -- Second Alarm | 00:10 |
| Sparks | Okay, I haven't had a chance to even think about that. | 00:10 |
| Sparks | Can someone pick this task up for me? | 00:10 |
| Sparks | We don't actually need all three packaged but it would be nice as a long term goal. We do need one of them packaged, though. | 00:11 |
| Sparks | #action Sparks to send an email to the list to pass this task on. | 00:12 |
| Sparks | #action Sparks to put a note on the list about Shared Open-Source Style Guide | 00:12 |
| rudi | Sparks -- I have some news there | 00:12 |
| Sparks | rudi: Go ahead | 00:13 |
| rudi | I have approval from Red Hat legal to share the bulk of our external Style Guide | 00:13 |
| * itbegins is here now | 00:13 | |
| quaid | rudi: srsly? | 00:14 |
| Sparks | Very cool | 00:14 |
| rudi | So I have agreed to put together a subset of it for review; after that, we can share it. | 00:14 |
| quaid | rudi++ | 00:14 |
| quaid | rudi: am I correct that this is the RHT internal style guide/"word usage" document? | 00:15 |
| rudi | Yes -- those documents | 00:15 |
| * quaid faints with happiness | 00:15 | |
| * Sparks fans quaid | 00:15 | |
| Sparks | rudi: Any idea when this might be available? | 00:16 |
| rudi | There is material there that represents internal Red Hat legal advice and brand considerations that we will not be able to share -- but for the most part, that stuff is irrelevant to anyone else who wants to use it. | 00:16 |
| rudi | Sparks -- at the moment, I'm bogged down in the preparations for RHEL5.4, which is why I've been quiet on the Fedora front for the last few weeks | 00:16 |
| * quaid sorry for the drama, it's just good stuff and a nice leg up for everyone | 00:16 | |
| rudi | I expect to have a draft together for legal to review within the next 2 weeks or so | 00:17 |
| quaid | rudi: feel free to draw on me in any way, such as helping pre-review before legal, etc. | 00:17 |
| rudi | quaid -- thanks | 00:17 |
| quaid | aye, thank you | 00:17 |
| Sparks | rudi: That's cool. | 00:18 |
| Sparks | rudi: BTW, when is 5.4 going to hit the streets? | 00:18 |
| rudi | I'd have to check to see what the public is supposed to know :) | 00:18 |
| Sparks | Gees... | 00:19 |
| Sparks | I have many servers that are aching to upgrade | 00:19 |
| Sparks | :) | 00:19 |
| rudi | Wikipedia doesn't know ;) | 00:19 |
| Sparks | Okay, moving on... | 00:19 |
| Sparks | #action Sparks to create BZ component Deployment Guide --Third alarm | 00:19 |
| Sparks | #action Sparks to write up CVE checking/validation procedures in the wiki --third alarm | 00:20 |
| Sparks | ianweller to do something useful and write a draft announcement | 00:20 |
| Sparks | DONE | 00:20 |
| Sparks | jjmcd to do recon on Zikula for useful docs | 00:20 |
| Sparks | DONE and found none | 00:20 |
| quaid | Sparks: I find Wikipedia makes good guesses there :) | 00:20 |
| Sparks | I think this is all the old business. Does anyone have anything else that is old business/tasks? | 00:21 |
| quaid | whoops, withdrawn :) | 00:21 |
| Sparks | quaid: Ya... we were just talking about that today. | 00:21 |
| Sparks | Okay, moving on | 00:21 |
| Sparks | #topic Status on CMS (Zikula) <-- ke4qqq | 00:21 |
| Sparks | #link Zikula#Module_status | 00:22 |
| Sparks | I don't think ke4qqq is here tonight... | 00:22 |
| Sparks | Does anyone have an update on Zikula? | 00:22 |
| itbegins | The instance for marketing is moving along fast | 00:22 |
| itbegins | but that will pass by the blockers for docs | 00:22 |
| itbegins | on the plus side, puppetization etc will be partly done for docs purposes by marketing | 00:22 |
| Sparks | +1 | 00:23 |
| itbegins | The same with performance checks etc | 00:23 |
| Sparks | That's good. | 00:23 |
| itbegins | So, IMHO if we can get the last few modules packaged, a roll out for immediately following the F12 change freeze is perfectly achievable | 00:23 |
| Sparks | itbegins: Can you provide a delta of what we need versus what we have, package wise, to stand up the docs instance? | 00:24 |
| * quaid calls for a wiki page to be created! | 00:24 | |
| itbegins | packaging side, we need one of mediashare or mediaattach packaged | 00:24 |
| itbegins | otherwise you have no media manager | 00:24 |
| * Sparks points quaid to the link at the top of this topic discussion | 00:25 | |
| itbegins | and preferably one editor - unless you like hard coding HTML | 00:25 |
| itbegins | and of course we need the theme packaged | 00:25 |
| itbegins | With those three, I think you are ready to go | 00:25 |
| * Sparks thinks the theme is packaged and ready | 00:25 | |
| itbegins | and over time we can upgrade the instance with more features as they come online | 00:25 |
| itbegins | Sparks: yes, but I wouldn't call the files currently in git production ready | 00:26 |
| itbegins | I made that theme using File>Save as in Firefox, and a quick n dirty conversion | 00:26 |
| quaid | heh | 00:26 |
| itbegins | there will be all sorts of useful images and possibly css missing from that | 00:26 |
| itbegins | the correct way to do it would be to convert based on the files currently in the websites git repository | 00:26 |
| quaid | itbegins: I think we showed it to mizmo though, I'll make sure she's on the bz for that package review | 00:26 |
| quaid | ... and anyone know that bz # for the theme? | 00:27 |
| itbegins | If Mizmo approves, then I defer to her - she's also runnign point for the marketing team on design issues | 00:27 |
| itbegins | Content and Mediashare are blocking on the window library | 00:28 |
| itbegins | it just so happens I've had experience with the replacement suggested by stickster_afk in the last couple of weeks at work, so I could in theory make those changes for you | 00:28 |
| itbegins | But it will take me some time to get up to speed with the modules and figure out the needed changes | 00:28 |
| itbegins | Equally there may already be someone working on making that very change | 00:29 |
| * Sparks is back | 00:30 | |
| Sparks | Sorry, storm and power outage | 00:30 |
| Sparks | Are we done with the CMS discussion? | 00:30 |
| quaid | I'm updating the modules list a bit from this discussion | 00:31 |
| Sparks | #chair quaid | 00:31 |
| Sparks | quaid: Excellent, thank you. | 00:31 |
| quaid | #task need to resolve theme package, review, and Design Team help; borrow from FI work? | 00:31 |
| itbegins | Sparks: http://www.fpaste.org/CJke/ | 00:32 |
| itbegins | Log from when you last typed | 00:32 |
| Sparks | itbegins: Thanks! | 00:32 |
| itbegins | Anyway, if we're agreed we're going to miss Fedora 12 for the docs instance, then there is much less pressure on timescales for the CMS project | 00:33 |
| Sparks | quaid: Can you talk to mizmo tomorrow and make sure she's on the same pages as us? | 00:33 |
| quaid | Sparks: got it | 00:33 |
| Sparks | itbegins: Agreed. | 00:33 |
| Sparks | quaid: Cool, thanks. | 00:33 |
| Sparks | #action quaid to follow up with Mizmo on the Zikula theme | 00:34 |
| Sparks | Anything else on the CMS/Zikula? | 00:34 |
| Sparks | #topic Status on CC license rollout.\ | 00:35 |
| Sparks | #link License_changeover_schedule | 00:35 |
| Sparks | rudi: So we now have a happy version of the license page for Publican, correct? | 00:35 |
| rudi | Sparks -- correct | 00:36 |
| Sparks | rudi: I'm assuming you are updating this in Publican 1.0... can you patch the 0.44 version as well? | 00:36 |
| quaid | are we subject to Infrastructure freeze for this change? | 00:36 |
| quaid | i.e. wiki, websites, etc. | 00:36 |
| Sparks | maybe | 00:36 |
| rudi | Sparks -- I'm not sure -- I will have to check with Jeff (who is on leave at the moment) | 00:36 |
| Sparks | ianweller: What's the procedure for updating the license of the wiki? | 00:37 |
| Sparks | rudi: Okay, that's cool. | 00:37 |
| ianweller | we stuff some variables in LocalSettings.php | 00:37 |
| ianweller | which is in puppet, in our case | 00:37 |
| rudi | I suspect that it may just end up in the "unofficial" patch that I maintain on my Fedorapeople page | 00:37 |
| ianweller | and then it adds the cute little button to the bottom automatically i believe | 00:37 |
| Sparks | #action rudi to follow up with Jeff about changing the license information in Publican 0.44 and 1.0 | 00:37 |
| rudi | ianweller -- what button? | 00:37 |
| Sparks | uh oh | 00:38 |
| Sparks | :) | 00:38 |
| quaid | is there a chance that a current version of Fedora won't have Publican 1.0? | 00:38 |
| ianweller | rudi: the cc icon | 00:38 |
| ianweller | http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-sa/3.0/88x31.png | 00:38 |
| ianweller | that thing | 00:38 |
| rudi | ianweller -- we can't use the icon | 00:38 |
| quaid | +1 to button website | 00:38 |
| ianweller | *thud* | 00:38 |
| quaid | not for publican | 00:38 |
| Sparks | rudi: I'd prefer that the license information go into the official release but I know you know that. | 00:38 |
| ianweller | well we can for the wiki | 00:38 |
| rudi | We can't use it for the wiki | 00:38 |
| ianweller | why not | 00:38 |
| quaid | rudi: I understood Richard to be talking about the legal notice for Publican | 00:39 |
| ianweller | sure we can't redistribute it but we're not | 00:39 |
| ianweller | we're just hotlinking it | 00:39 |
| quaid | right because of the redistrib. | 00:39 |
| rudi | quaid -- if you read his emails, he talks about both | 00:39 |
| rudi | ianweller -- yes, but it's an unfree element appearing on a Fedora page | 00:39 |
| rudi | Therefore, we can't use it. | 00:39 |
| Sparks | I have a problem with his interpretation of not using it on the wiki... | 00:39 |
| ianweller | augghhghhggghsdoagosrgjwjgoajldfjksfakgherjkojar <-- what is going through my mind right now | 00:39 |
| quaid | um | 00:39 |
| Sparks | the Fedora logo is an unfree element and yet we use it on the webpages | 00:40 |
| ianweller | that's correct! | 00:40 |
| quaid | so is ServerBeach's logo | 00:40 |
| ianweller | fedora logo is non-redistributable | 00:40 |
| rudi | Sparks -- yes, but it's an unfree element that we own | 00:40 |
| quaid | and Dell's | 00:40 |
| ianweller | we don't own the dell logo | 00:40 |
| quaid | http://fedoraproject.org/sponsors | 00:40 |
| Sparks | and we are using the CC logo per its terms of use | 00:40 |
| quaid | ok, I'll re-read richard's email, and then we'll ask him for clarification. | 00:40 |
| * Sparks finds it increadibly ironic that the very symbol of freedom is an unfree element. | 00:41 | |
| quaid | well, it's a trademark, in't? | 00:41 |
| Sparks | yeah | 00:41 |
| quaid | Fedora is for freedom, but our logo sure ain't free | 00:41 |
| Sparks | exactly | 00:41 |
| Sparks | #action quaid to follow up with Richard about the use of the CC logo on the wiki. | 00:43 |
| Sparks | ianweller: So is the infrastructure freeze going to affect the license change? | 00:43 |
| ianweller | yyyyyyyyyno it should be minor | 00:43 |
| ianweller | ricky: ping ^^ | 00:43 |
| ricky | ianweller: pong | 00:44 |
| ricky | Ugh, are we going to run into pain for our sponsors page? | 00:44 |
| ianweller | ricky: if i send a patch to the infra list saying "here's what i'm doing to change the license on the wiki" and it gets 2 +1s then it's ok during a freeze right? | 00:44 |
| ianweller | ricky: well that wasn't why i pinged you but possibly :( | 00:44 |
| ricky | Yup as long as it's low risk and doesn't have a high chance of breaking anything else :-) | 00:44 |
| ricky | So more than likely, yes :-) | 00:45 |
| ianweller | yeh it prolly won't! | 00:45 |
| Sparks | okay... | 00:46 |
| Sparks | anything else about the license change? | 00:46 |
| rudi | It might be worth checking with Richard Fontana about the logos on the sponsors page | 00:47 |
| Sparks | quaid: Can you tack that onto your discussion? | 00:47 |
| quaid | rudi: "These are not the droids you are looking for." | 00:47 |
| quaid | Sparks: "These are not the droids you are looking for." | 00:47 |
| Sparks | quaid: huh? | 00:47 |
| quaid | "Move along" | 00:47 |
| Sparks | roger | 00:48 |
| Sparks | #topic Draft Documentation on the wiki | 00:48 |
| Sparks | #link | 00:48 |
| Sparks | For anyone looking for something more to do... ^^^ | 00:48 |
| quaid | get out your machete | 00:48 |
| Sparks | Yeah... we probably need to go through that and see what's stale | 00:49 |
| Sparks | Anything else on this? | 00:49 |
| quaid | Hint: if it's in Archive:, it's stale | 00:49 |
| quaid | do we want to do something about it for real? | 00:50 |
| Sparks | sure | 00:50 |
| quaid | i.e., do an online sprint some time? | 00:50 |
| quaid | do we have any "lulls" in the F12 storm? | 00:50 |
| Sparks | Not especially | 00:50 |
| Sparks | :) | 00:50 |
| Sparks | I think a lot of what I'm seeing in the Archive: can be deleted/removed. | 00:51 |
| Sparks | It appears that it has been incorporated into a DocBook guide | 00:51 |
| quaid | OK, maybe a post-F12 fun activity | 00:52 |
| quaid | we'll all buy our own beer, etc. | 00:52 |
| Sparks | ianweller: [Category:Delete] | 00:52 |
| Sparks | ianweller: What happened to the delete policy? There are 97 pages ready to be blasted! | 00:52 |
| ianweller | yay more work | 00:52 |
| ianweller | Sparks: i don't do anything about it until someone mentions it | 00:52 |
| ianweller | ^_^ | 00:52 |
| ianweller | so i'll do something about it | 00:53 |
| Sparks | ianweller: I know you have a big red button over there that nukes all those pages | 00:53 |
| ianweller | no but ricky does, it's called "nuke db2" | 00:53 |
| ianweller | ;) | 00:54 |
| Sparks | Yikes | 00:54 |
| ianweller | yeah i'll go thruogh those tonight just for you | 00:54 |
| * ianweller stops holding up the meeting | 00:54 | |
| Sparks | Okay, so that should clear up some items... :) | 00:54 |
| Sparks | Anything else? | 00:54 |
| Sparks | #topic Guide needs? | 00:55 |
| Sparks | Anyone have a guide that is in need? | 00:55 |
| Sparks | #topic New Guides | 00:56 |
| Sparks | Okay, I have one... | 00:56 |
| Sparks | I've Publicanized (apparently not the first person to do this) the old Accessibility information that used to go out with the RNs. | 00:56 |
| Sparks | It is on fh.org and I'm going to start updating it as I get time. | 00:57 |
| Sparks | Feel free to check it out and provide patches! :) | 00:57 |
| Sparks | Does anyone else have a new guide? | 00:57 |
| Sparks | #topic All other business | 00:58 |
| Sparks | Okay, does anyone have anything else? | 00:58 |
| Sparks | Anyone? | 00:59 |
| Sparks | Anything? | 00:59 |
| itbegins | *silence* | 00:59 |
| itbegins | Good timing | 01:00 |
| Sparks | Okay... thanks everyone for coming tonight! Don't forget to tip your wait staff. | 01:00 |
| Sparks | #endmeeting | 01:00 |
