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| Sparks | #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings | 00:01 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Thu Oct 1 00:01:39 2009 UTC. The chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 00:01 |
| Sparks | #topic Roll Call! | 00:01 |
| * Sparks | 00:01 | |
| * jjmcd est ici ou la | 00:02 | |
| * ke4qqq is here - believe it or not | 00:02 | |
| * rudi is here | 00:03 | |
| * Sparks just updated the agenda... :) | 00:03 | |
| * quaid esta aqui | 00:03 | |
| * ianweller is here but not watching, mention me if a response is needed... | 00:04 | |
| Sparks | Okay, let's get started. | 00:05 |
| Sparks | #topic Release notes format changes | 00:05 |
| jjmcd | Couple things on RNs | 00:05 |
| jjmcd | We are building every night for L10N | 00:05 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: Remind me, again, what this is and do we need to keep it on the agenda | 00:05 |
| jjmcd | Most mornings I have been posting errors to trans list | 00:05 |
| rudi | Props to jjmcd -- this is *excellent* | 00:06 |
| jjmcd | I notice yesterday juhp and rudi had q1uite a chat about the tables | 00:06 |
| jjmcd | as did I | 00:06 |
| jjmcd | Result, really no changes. juhp thought comps might be a better source than primary.sqlite, but it is very incomplete | 00:06 |
| jjmcd | And now, Sparks, I think you can remove this from the list | 00:07 |
| jjmcd | Thanks rudi, but purely selfish | 00:07 |
| Sparks | jjmcd: This is awesome work! | 00:07 |
| jjmcd | We get a lot of hard errors fixed by someone else | 00:07 |
| Sparks | jjmcd++ | 00:07 |
| jjmcd | <<--- lazy | 00:07 |
| rudi | It relocates the work where it really should be? | 00:07 |
| jjmcd | If I can get someone else to do the work !! ;-)) | 00:07 |
| rudi | :) | 00:08 |
| jjmcd | ANd some of the translators are really digging in | 00:08 |
| Sparks | So... is the plan still to post everything to docs.fp.o and to provide a link in the HELP menu and not the document itself? | 00:08 |
| jjmcd | I thought we were going to figure out the KDE alternative for yelp | 00:08 |
| Sparks | I don't know | 00:08 |
| jjmcd | or just do yelp | 00:08 |
| jjmcd | I think that was the result | 00:08 |
| Sparks | I know we had discussed a few different ways of doing it | 00:09 |
| jjmcd | I did intend to go back through the logs -- yeah, we talked about a half-doze approaches | 00:09 |
| jjmcd | but I had this nagging feeling I had to much with KDE | 00:09 |
| Sparks | I'm concerned about the translations and the RPMs | 00:09 |
| jjmcd | If we make the rpm like F11 no prob | 00:09 |
| Sparks | one BIG one or multiple RPMs for different languages? | 00:10 |
| jjmcd | one big one, like we always have, except not as many formats | 00:10 |
| jjmcd | Soyou get your lang automatically | 00:10 |
| Sparks | Okay | 00:10 |
| jjmcd | Won't be a shock to anyone that way | 00:11 |
| Sparks | yeah | 00:11 |
| Sparks | okay, any other questions? | 00:11 |
| Sparks | #topic Status on CMS (Zikula) | 00:12 |
| Sparks | #link Zikula#Module_status | 00:12 |
| Sparks | Any update on this? | 00:12 |
| ke4qqq | none to speak of | 00:12 |
| ke4qqq | at least not from me | 00:12 |
| Sparks | someone was working on packaging the editor we needed. | 00:13 |
| ke4qqq | mchua|away: and gang are making progress | 00:13 |
| quaid | danielsmw was working the editor iirc | 00:13 |
| Sparks | ianweller: Were you going to review the editor package? | 00:13 |
| ianweller | was i? | 00:14 |
| ianweller | i don't really remember. | 00:14 |
| Sparks | ianweller: I think danielsmw was supposed to get with you to work out the errors he was getting... | 00:14 |
| ianweller | i never heard from him. | 00:14 |
| Sparks | ...and possibly get you to review the package | 00:15 |
| Sparks | Okay | 00:15 |
| jjmcd | I think it was last week Friday that I expected danielsmw to ask for help, never saw him, but I thought ianweller was going to review | 00:15 |
| ianweller | i'll happily help out when needed :) | 00:15 |
| Sparks | okay | 00:15 |
| Sparks | can one of you follow up with him this week, please? | 00:16 |
| jjmcd | I'll keep an eye out for him, but haven't seen much lately | 00:16 |
| Sparks | ke4qqq: Isn't danielsmw down there with you? | 00:16 |
| ke4qqq | he recently started back to college and he's on the 3 year plan - so things are probably a tad busy | 00:17 |
| Sparks | I would think so | 00:17 |
| ke4qqq | I'll call him this week and see what's up | 00:17 |
| Sparks | ke4qqq: Thanks | 00:17 |
| Sparks | #action ke4qqq to follow up with danielsmw on the editor package for Zikula | 00:17 |
| Sparks | Okay, anything else on this topic? | 00:17 |
| Sparks | #topic Status on CC license rollout. | 00:18 |
| Sparks | #link License_changeover_schedule | 00:18 |
| Sparks | ianweller: Are we ready to make the internal announcement? | 00:19 |
| Sparks | quaid: Have you done the follow up with the RPM guide? | 00:20 |
| quaid | hrm | 00:20 |
| quaid | ok, here's the two bits. | 00:20 |
| quaid | 1. I need to contact Eric Foster-Johnson about relicensing RPM Guide .. he didn't do a CLA, for example. | 00:21 |
| Sparks | quaid: Where is the RPM Guide? I don't remember what that is, exactly. | 00:21 |
| quaid | 2. We have some issues to work through still with the Max RPM content; there is a contributor who doesn't want to have their content relicensed nor have attribution. | 00:21 |
| quaid | we have it in cvs or git or something | 00:21 |
| Sparks | We were going to add more development and include the Max RPM content? | 00:22 |
| quaid | yeah, the idea was to have both to meld in to one, new, shiny RPM Guide. | 00:22 |
| Sparks | What are the current licenses? | 00:22 |
| ianweller | Sparks: hi | 00:23 |
| ianweller | sorry | 00:23 |
| quaid | OPL clean for RPM Guide, OPL + non-free clauses for Max RPM | 00:23 |
| Sparks | Well that's a problem. | 00:24 |
| quaid | not if they are relicensed to the same CC BY SA :) | 00:24 |
| ianweller | someone (Sparks) tell me if we're ready and i will make the announcement on docs-list devel-announce advisory-board etc | 00:24 |
| Sparks | quaid: Yeah... IF | 00:25 |
| Sparks | Okay... so here's the deal. I want the license change over done within the next two weeks. Is that feasible? | 00:25 |
| Sparks | We can change the license and then reject the RPM guides if they don't want to play ball, imo. | 00:26 |
| Sparks | rudi: Can you have publican updated within a week or two? | 00:26 |
| quaid | oh, yeah | 00:26 |
| ianweller | do we have to relicense them? | 00:26 |
| quaid | RPM stuff is totally non-critical path | 00:26 |
| rudi | Yep -- I'm just waiting for someone to pull the trigger | 00:26 |
| quaid | move ahead with relicensing without worrying about RPM content | 00:26 |
| Sparks | Okay. | 00:26 |
| ianweller | #action ianweller to figure out how to change the license on the wiki | 00:27 |
| ianweller | :) | 00:27 |
| Sparks | ianweller: Go ahead and put the word out internally | 00:27 |
| quaid | that was all a courtesy/interest; that's RPM.org stuff, people here just said, "I'd like to help," so I took on that relicensing too :) | 00:27 |
| ianweller | Sparks: ok | 00:27 |
| ianweller | will do that in a couple of hours | 00:27 |
| Sparks | This license change will NOT affect stuff in git... etc. | 00:27 |
| Sparks | ianweller: Thanks | 00:27 |
| ianweller | Sparks: is that on the announcement draft? | 00:27 |
| ianweller | let's go over that. | 00:27 |
| ianweller | cuz that's what i'm gonna copy/paste. | 00:27 |
| Sparks | The license change will affect stuff on the wiki and stuff we publish | 00:28 |
| ianweller | that requires i find it | 00:28 |
| Sparks | ianweller: Doh! I didn't link to it anywhere! | 00:28 |
| Sparks | #action rudi to change the license information in the publican brands for Fedora | 00:28 |
| rudi | Sparks -- so is that a green light now? | 00:29 |
| * ianweller hunts in his email box | 00:29 | |
| Sparks | rudi: Yes | 00:29 |
| rudi | OK | 00:29 |
| ianweller | User:Ianweller/Creative_Commons_press_release -- the bottom one. | 00:29 |
| ianweller | let's discuss that. | 00:29 |
| Sparks | rudi: I'm going to shoot a message to the list to make sure that all guide owners are aware of the upcoming change. Just reply to that when you get it all straight, please. | 00:30 |
| rudi | Will do | 00:30 |
| Sparks | ianweller: Looks good. Should we make a wiki page that says why we are doing this and maybe some FAQs and post that link in that announcement? | 00:31 |
| ianweller | Sparks: that would be pretty awesome. | 00:31 |
| ianweller | i'm working on an english project right now so if somebody could do that tonight i will buy them a drink | 00:31 |
| Sparks | Of course we'd need some folks to ask questions so we'd know what is a FAQ | 00:32 |
| ianweller | "what's CC" | 00:32 |
| ianweller | "why is the OPL bad" | 00:32 |
| ianweller | "why is CC better" | 00:32 |
| Sparks | "why is it better than OPL" | 00:32 |
| ianweller | "what's the scope of this change" | 00:32 |
| quaid | uh, did't I write all that? | 00:32 |
| ianweller | you did yeah. | 00:32 |
| quaid | but not as a FAQ! | 00:32 |
| ianweller | i think. | 00:32 |
| Sparks | quaid: Where? | 00:32 |
| ianweller | Sparks: on the announcement | 00:32 |
| quaid | FAQe (pronounced "fake") | 00:33 |
| quaid | one sec | 00:33 |
| ianweller | lole | 00:33 |
| Sparks | quaid: Yeah, you did. | 00:33 |
| quaid | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Relicensing_OPL_to_CC_BY_SA | 00:33 |
| quaid | #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Relicensing_OPL_to_CC_BY_SA | 00:33 |
| ianweller | well HEY | 00:33 |
| quaid | some of those links don't look right ... | 00:33 |
| quaid | maybe I left stubs for more? | 00:33 |
| ianweller | whoa. | 00:33 |
| Sparks | Ummm | 00:34 |
| Sparks | I don't think we are relicensing Fedora Hosted... are we? | 00:34 |
| quaid | no, see | 00:34 |
| quaid | stubs | 00:34 |
| Sparks | I could see some potential problems. | 00:34 |
| Sparks | Oh | 00:34 |
| quaid | for all of the guides we have there | 00:34 |
| quaid | just fill in whatever | 00:34 |
| ianweller | but yeah i still need somebody awesome to turn that page into an FAQ perhaps | 00:34 |
| quaid | yeah, last history is 'interim save' meaning I never got it to deserving a full comment block | 00:34 |
| ianweller | quaid: hah | 00:35 |
| Sparks | quaid: Can I use your blog text on the page? | 00:35 |
| quaid | Sparks: natch! | 00:35 |
| quaid | I hereby license it under CC BY SA, with attribution being a link back to the original post | 00:36 |
| * quaid dual licenses it under OPL for the time being | 00:36 | |
| quaid | so it can be put on the page until he license change :D | 00:36 |
| quaid | isn't copyright fun! | 00:36 |
| Sparks | quaid: I'm going to need that in writing, please. :) | 00:37 |
| ianweller | that isn't writing? ;) | 00:37 |
| Sparks | I need a paper | 00:37 |
| Sparks | On advice from my attorney-in-training... | 00:38 |
| quaid | nope, IRC log is good enough | 00:38 |
| quaid | on advice from my monkey council | 00:38 |
| Sparks | :) | 00:38 |
| * Sparks really didn't ask her as she's currently writing a motion for her case and I'd hate to become a part of that case | 00:39 | |
| * ianweller makes a motion | 00:39 | |
| * ianweller dances on the floor | 00:39 | |
| ianweller | quaid: ok so i'm volunteering you to faqize that faqe | 00:39 |
| quaid | ha | 00:40 |
| quaid | good luck with that | 00:40 |
| ianweller | ;) | 00:40 |
| quaid | hey, you know what would help here? | 00:40 |
| ianweller | a drink? | 00:40 |
| quaid | can we get a quick list of the guides in f'hosted? | 00:40 |
| quaid | yeh, that too | 00:40 |
| quaid | that we want to switch? | 00:41 |
| * quaid edits the page to put them in | 00:42 | |
| Sparks | Okay, I just pasted that into the wiki page but it's ugly... I'll be fixing that later. | 00:42 |
| quaid | um, if it's done for now? | 00:42 |
| quaid | ok | 00:42 |
| * quaid is adding in the fhosted list so will fix some formatting now | 00:42 | |
| Sparks | quaid: Do we want to selectively list the guides we are relicensing or just say "all guides"? | 00:42 |
| quaid | hmm | 00:44 |
| quaid | I have it as a task to email *all* contributors, past and present | 00:44 |
| quaid | as a courtesy | 00:44 |
| quaid | so it would help if we had a definitive list | 00:44 |
| quaid | I think ... | 00:44 |
| Sparks | Is that even possible? | 00:44 |
| quaid | theoretically | 00:45 |
| quaid | I could get a good list of names with a few hours in cvs and f'hosted | 00:45 |
| Sparks | I know the security guide has been in so many different formats and changed/modified that I don't know what kind of paper trail is even left. | 00:45 |
| quaid | it's a courtesy move; if we cannot reach people, it's not a game stopper. | 00:45 |
| quaid | ah | 00:45 |
| quaid | yeah, well, I mayn't look for wiki stuff | 00:46 |
| Sparks | the SG came from the wiki... | 00:46 |
| quaid | just thinking Install guide, etc. | 00:46 |
| quaid | yeah, I get that | 00:46 |
| Sparks | and I mean MOIN wiki | 00:46 |
| quaid | heh | 00:46 |
| * quaid can get his hands on that stuff, too | 00:46 | |
| quaid | ok ... | 00:46 |
| quaid | well, it might be futile; and it's NOT on the critical path. | 00:46 |
| Sparks | Not trying to discourage... :) | 00:46 |
| quaid | ok, back to the question at hand ... | 00:46 |
| quaid | I have: | 00:46 |
| quaid | Wiki | 00:46 |
| quaid | Installation guide | 00:46 |
| quaid | Release notes | 00:46 |
| quaid | Security guide | 00:47 |
| quaid | SELiux guide | 00:47 |
| quaid | adding ... | 00:47 |
| quaid | Deployment guide | 00:47 |
| quaid | else? | 00:47 |
| Sparks | Assessibility Guide | 00:48 |
| quaid | is that fhosted.org/accessibility-guide? | 00:48 |
| Sparks | I think so... I just put it there a few months ago. It used to be in the RN up to F9 or F10 | 00:48 |
| quaid | /me looking for 'guide' on fh.o | 00:49 |
| Sparks | That's a good start. :) | 00:49 |
| Sparks | quaid: You should see one in there for an Amateur Radio Guide but there's nothing there, yet, and should be jjmcd and I working on that so no worries there. | 00:50 |
| quaid | http://svn.fedoraproject.org/svn/Deployment_Guide/ ? | 00:51 |
| Sparks | What's the question? | 00:51 |
| quaid | http://fedorahosted.org/deploymentguide | 00:51 |
| quaid | it's weird for both to appear, first seems empty; old? | 00:52 |
| rudi | New! | 00:52 |
| quaid | ah, or that | 00:52 |
| rudi | perspectival is working on that one | 00:52 |
| rudi | Doesn't seem to be here right now | 00:52 |
| Sparks | any others? | 00:53 |
| rudi | Add Virtualization Guide | 00:54 |
| quaid | yeah | 00:54 |
| quaid | I'm rolling down the page | 00:54 |
| quaid | about-fedora etc. | 00:54 |
| quaid | what is http://git.fedoraproject.org/git/redhatsecurityguide.git | 00:55 |
| quaid | v. | 00:55 |
| quaid | https://fedorahosted.org/securityguide/ | 00:55 |
| Sparks | Don't know what the first one is... the second one should be the "fedora" sg | 00:55 |
| * quaid wishes we had all stuck with the "- is the space designator" for hosted project guide names | 00:55 | |
| quaid | some with, some without, and now a bunch of New_Style | 00:56 |
| jjmcd | Publican works better with _ | 00:56 |
| * quaid rolls his eyes and bites his tongue | 00:56 | |
| jjmcd | Yeah, well, I agree | 00:56 |
| quaid | probably not worth changing the other names | 00:57 |
| * quaid *cough* you know, from the names similar to Fedora Packaging Standards | 00:57 | |
| quaid | ok, we don't have to kill the mtg with this | 00:57 |
| quaid | I'll publish the updated page in a few. | 00:57 |
| Sparks | Okay | 00:57 |
| Sparks | anything else on this topic? | 00:57 |
| quaid | #link https://fedorahosted.org/rpmguide/ | 00:58 |
| quaid | for the record | 00:58 |
| Sparks | Okay... lets cut down to the meat and potatoes... | 00:58 |
| Sparks | #topic Guide needs? | 00:58 |
| * ianweller has to run | 00:59 | |
| Sparks | Any guides have any needs? | 00:59 |
| Sparks | ianweller: See ya | 00:59 |
| jjmcd | Sparks - use same image conventions as user guide? | 00:59 |
| jjmcd | i.e. images/chapter | 00:59 |
| Sparks | sure | 00:59 |
| Sparks | #topic New Guides | 01:00 |
| Sparks | Any new guides? | 01:00 |
| Sparks | #topic All other business | 01:01 |
| Sparks | Any other items that need to be discussed? | 01:01 |
| Sparks | 5 | 01:02 |
| Sparks | 4 | 01:02 |
| Sparks | 3 | 01:02 |
| Sparks | 2 | 01:02 |
| Sparks | 1 | 01:02 |
| Sparks | Okay, thanks everyone for coming! | 01:02 |
| Sparks | #endmeeting | 01:02 |