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| themayor | let me the meeting come to order | 12:00 |
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| themayor | roll call please | 12:00 |
| * ke4qqq is here | 12:01 | |
| * quaid is here | 12:01 | |
| * tw2113 is half here | 12:01 | |
| kushal | Kushal Das | 12:01 |
| * stickster is here, at least partly | 12:02 | |
| themayor | anyone else? | 12:02 |
| rharrison | here | 12:02 |
| themayor | ianweller_afk: ?? | 12:02 |
| kulll | here? | 12:03 |
| ria | Ria Das | 12:03 |
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| themayor | rsuehle: are you joining us for the meeting? | 12:04 |
| themayor | i guess not | 12:05 |
| themayor | okay | 12:05 |
| rsuehle | yes | 12:05 |
| quaid | oi rsuehle | 12:05 |
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| * themayor waves to gregdek | 12:05 | |
| * quaid glad he caught up on the RHM thread, ftw! | 12:05 | |
| * gregdek hullos. | 12:05 | |
| themayor | okay so that being done, lets move on | 12:06 |
| themayor | we have put aside this meeting to discuss strategy | 12:06 |
| themayor | we're not going down the task list | 12:06 |
| themayor | in fact the task list is very very minimal | 12:06 |
| themayor | last week through the meeting we said that we would talk strategy about the future | 12:07 |
| themayor | so does anyone have anything specific they would like to talk about so we can put it on the agenda right now? | 12:07 |
| quaid | how far of a time scope is "the future"? | 12:07 |
| themayor | through the f10 timetable lets say | 12:08 |
| kushal | yes | 12:08 |
| themayor | so 6-9 months lets say | 12:08 |
| kushal | I have question on legality of one video which I want to put on Fedora Tv | 12:08 |
| kushal | check this http://excess.org/article/2008/07/ogre-git-tutorial/ | 12:09 |
| kushal | two nice git videos | 12:09 |
| mizmo | hi im here sorrys | 12:10 |
| themayor | kushal: okay and ?? | 12:10 |
| kushal | themayor, I want to know if I can out them or not | 12:11 |
| themayor | out them? | 12:11 |
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| kushal | put out | 12:12 |
| quaid | ! | 12:12 |
| kushal | quaid, stage is yours | 12:12 |
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| quaid | we started this meeting in this channel some months ago | 12:13 |
| quaid | good for momentum, etc. | 12:13 |
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| quaid | but esp. as we talk strategy | 12:13 |
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| quaid | there are ~100 ppl in #fedora-marketing right now | 12:13 |
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| quaid | about 1/2 of that lurking here | 12:13 |
| quaid | I propose we move this meeting over there; the room is open in this slot | 12:13 |
| quaid | <eof> | 12:13 |
| gregdek | #fedora-marketing? | 12:14 |
| gregdek | Is empty. | 12:14 |
| quaid | sorry | 12:14 |
| quaid | I mean | 12:14 |
| gregdek | Do you mean #fedora-meeting? | 12:14 |
| kushal | quaid, I know this is our marketing channel ? | 12:14 |
| quaid | #fedora-meeting | 12:14 |
| quaid | yes, brain seizure | 12:14 |
| quaid | s/marketing/meeting/ kthxbai | 12:14 |
| * quaid sees apparently SCM SIG has the room booked | 12:14 | |
| quaid | but hasn't been using it | 12:14 |
| gregdek | We should probably ask their plan before taking it over. | 12:15 |
| gregdek | Maybe for subsequent meetings? | 12:15 |
| quaid | sure | 12:15 |
| quaid | I wouldn't have brought it up but for the topic for today; just task rundown wouldn't be worth bum rushing the back door | 12:15 |
| * spoleeba wonders when we are going to migrate fedora meetings into secondlife virtual conference rooms | 12:16 | |
| themayor | no i dont think any time soon | 12:16 |
| themayor | ;) | 12:16 |
| * quaid is ready to move to the topic, fo sho | 12:16 | |
| kushal | gregdek, any points of those git videos | 12:16 |
| themayor | anyway, quaid, do you want to be responsible for tracking down the SCM sig guys and handling the room migration? | 12:17 |
| quaid | sure | 12:17 |
| themayor | okay putting that up on the wiki | 12:17 |
| themayor | let me know if anything happens this week so that i can announce any room changes for next | 12:17 |
| themayor | thanks | 12:17 |
| quaid | about strategy ... I have a thought about where we need to put a big slice (33%) of our efforts | 12:17 |
| themayor | go ahead | 12:18 |
| themayor | oh wait a second | 12:18 |
| themayor | let me answer kushal | 12:18 |
| quaid | that is focus on people and projects, the basics -- getting a good machine to churn out stories | 12:18 |
| quaid | ok, I'll pause | 12:18 |
| themayor | kushal: i think you need to email the person who made them and ask him whether or not he would allow you to use them | 12:18 |
| kushal | themayor, ok, that is already in todo list :) | 12:19 |
| themayor | okay quaid back to you | 12:19 |
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| quaid | now, I'm not saying anything new | 12:19 |
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| quaid | but it looks like we have a chance to catch a fast moving current | 12:19 |
| * lcafiero apologizes for being late, hands note from doctor to the principal | 12:19 | |
| quaid | part of our concern about people not knowing aobut | 12:20 |
| quaid | the stuff that comes from/through Fedora | 12:20 |
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| moixs | I have a question about stories...currently I'm writing the fedora release announcements (for Beta too) for the French websites. My news are totally not coordinated with *insert name here* who writes the news in english. Do you know who is usually doing this? | 12:20 |
| quaid | is this lack of any long term effort, other than Red Hat Magazine :D, to really make a lot of stories flow out. | 12:20 |
| quaid | moixs: we actually have an idea/process for that, one sec while I get a URL | 12:21 |
| * quaid is adding that stuff to Marketing/Tasks right now, too | 12:21 | |
| quaid | moixs: Releases/Announcements and Releases/Announcements/TalkingPoints are out of date but will be updated according to a schedule I'm working on right now. | 12:22 |
| quaid | <eoidea> | 12:22 |
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| moixs | A nice feature would be to have a responsable for each big language, who translates the announcements and mails them to the meaningful webistes in his language. | 12:23 |
| moixs | I'll have a look at your links | 12:23 |
| themayor | hrm, that sounds like a good idea | 12:24 |
| quaid | moixs: +1 that is the exact idea | 12:24 |
| themayor | maybe to have local ambassadors reponsible for each language? | 12:24 |
| themayor | or at least one ambassador | 12:24 |
| quaid | moixs: not just translate, but a common set of discussion topics (talking points) so you can also write your own while knowing it shares a common message. | 12:24 |
| moixs | exactly, ambassadors are the perfect people for that | 12:24 |
| themayor | so we can coordinate release announcements as well | 12:24 |
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| quaid | there is a process here | 12:24 |
| quaid | sorry I haven't made noise yet | 12:24 |
| quaid | but I'll fire it back up, it covers *all* of these points | 12:24 |
| moixs | We have such discussions on the french ambassador list, actually we have a workflow for fedora news. | 12:25 |
| quaid | exactly as you suggest them to be :) | 12:25 |
| moixs | But you don't see any of that obviously :p | 12:25 |
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| moixs | Every member on the french ambassador list can submit news ideas or complete news to the list, they can be commented for 24h and then they are sent to the media | 12:25 |
| moixs | It's simple and effective | 12:26 |
| quaid | moixs: for now, you can coordinate with me (Karsten Wade) for the various release announcements (Beta, Preview, RC, GA) | 12:26 |
| quaid | +1 simple process that get stories up from the people who know best | 12:26 |
| quaid | sounds like what jonrob has been saying, what rsuehle and gregdek and me and mether have all been saying | 12:27 |
| themayor | yeah | 12:27 |
| * quaid steps down carefully from the soapbox | 12:27 | |
| moixs | https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-fr-list/2008-September/msg00092.html is the F10 beta news project (already slightly modified) | 12:27 |
| mizmo | are we talking big ideas like how do we get more mindshare amongst linux users? | 12:28 |
| mizmo | or what? | 12:28 |
| mizmo | like whats the end goal | 12:28 |
| moixs | The end goal is to get as much Fedora stories on websites as Ubuntu and OpenSuse ones | 12:29 |
| moixs | At this time, we have a big disadvantage | 12:29 |
| quaid | it would be great if our stories were complementary more than adversarial with other distros | 12:29 |
| quaid | that is, I don't want to grow by seeding more "Desktop Shoot Out!" articles | 12:30 |
| moixs | Here in Europe, we have a 2:10 ratio compared to these other distros. | 12:30 |
| themayor | the truth is i dont think so. i think we dont market aggressively or in opposition within the press because we don't want to play that game | 12:30 |
| moixs | That's not the point, we focus on technical stuff...what struck me is that all the things developed by Fedora are not credited to Fedora. It's often credited to OpenSuse which uses most of the same technology and has more news. | 12:31 |
| quaid | focus on stories about people and projects | 12:32 |
| themayor | yeah | 12:32 |
| themayor | like the meet the contributor stuff | 12:32 |
| themayor | thats golden | 12:32 |
| quaid | I've seen some "Spotlight on ..." videos from Red Hat that rock | 12:32 |
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| ke4qqq | I've had podcasters 'beg' for the unsung devs from Fedora/redhat because we don't do as good a job promoting them | 12:33 |
| kushal | any comments on "Meet the contributor:" videos I made ? | 12:33 |
| themayor | they are awesome | 12:33 |
| quaid | kushal: +10 | 12:33 |
| themayor | by the way, as a side note, fedora was formed 5 years ago today | 12:33 |
| kushal | quaid, idea goes to sankarshan | 12:33 |
| moixs | A perfect example is the better webcam support in F10 (kernel 2.6.27), if we don't advertise that now, it will be percieved as a novelty of the first distro to advertise it. | 12:33 |
| kushal | themayor, I think you are 1 day late | 12:33 |
| lcafiero | I thought it was yesterday. | 12:34 |
| themayor | september 24th | 12:34 |
| lcafiero | [no cake left to celebrate today] | 12:34 |
| kushal | I am already in 26th :) | 12:34 |
| lcafiero | 25th here. | 12:34 |
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| quaid | moixs: if you have a chance, we could use help making sure the source discussion topics in those links I posted are really great and complete | 12:35 |
| themayor | damn, no, i just missed it completely | 12:35 |
| themayor | i have mono, so ive kind of lost track of dates | 12:35 |
| themayor | i just know its thursday | 12:35 |
| kushal | lol | 12:35 |
| themayor | and also not having email since yesterday didnt help | 12:35 |
| moixs | I'll have a look at the links tomorrow, I'm very tired now (and watching a western) | 12:37 |
| themayor | okay so to get back on focus | 12:37 |
| themayor | stories about people and projects | 12:37 |
| rdieter | no email = time stops | 12:38 |
| themayor | something like that | 12:38 |
| themayor | stupid migration crap | 12:38 |
| themayor | anyway | 12:38 |
| quaid | and tools, processes, and critical mass to make it happen; a real commitment | 12:38 |
| lcafiero | +1 to themayor and rdieter | 12:38 |
| spoleeba | themayor, can the featuring process be coopted as a press initiative? Or would developers driving the features feel overburdened if there were asked to engage in a marketing campaign involved the feature? | 12:39 |
| themayor | maybe this could all play into the remaking of red hat magazine? | 12:39 |
| themayor | spoleeba: may answer would be it depends on the developer | 12:39 |
| spoleeba | themayor, sure it would... and the person asking | 12:39 |
| themayor | yeah that too | 12:39 |
| spoleeba | themayor, i think the stuff the mingw people are doing..is a good story...but im not gonna ask them to write it | 12:40 |
| themayor | i definitely think we need more marketing surrounding features | 12:40 |
| mizmo | especially who in fedora is working on X | 12:42 |
| mizmo | identifying that early | 12:42 |
| mizmo | before someone else ahem takes the credit | 12:42 |
| mizmo | (or doesnt contest misattributed credit) | 12:42 |
| themayor | well the people who have beats for fwn should be pretty on top of that stuff | 12:43 |
| themayor | no? | 12:43 |
| lcafiero | I think so | 12:45 |
| quaid | for features? | 12:45 |
| quaid | is there an FWN feature beat? | 12:46 |
| themayor | well yeah, they know whats going on in their specific area, so shouldnt that translate in features eventually? | 12:46 |
| themayor | i dont know, if there isnt, maybe there should be | 12:46 |
| quaid | no, not really ... | 12:47 |
| quaid | features seem to float themselves separately from the regular list, project, sig traffic | 12:48 |
| quaid | IME | 12:48 |
| themayor | okay so lets hang on a sec | 12:48 |
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| themayor | basically im hearing two things | 12:49 |
| themayor | we need to keep be keeping better track of featuring and be ready to publicize that | 12:49 |
| themayor | and we want to be able to publicize people and projects | 12:50 |
| themayor | and we need process and whatever else to make that work? | 12:51 |
| themayor | correct? | 12:51 |
| themayor | are we all in agreement | 12:51 |
| quaid | +1 | 12:51 |
| moixs | Totally :) | 12:52 |
| themayor | okay so suggestions for keep better track of featuring? | 12:52 |
| quaid | well | 12:53 |
| quaid | the feature process does that pretty well | 12:53 |
| quaid | it's just having a Marketing process that combs that, highlights, etc. | 12:53 |
| quaid | we do that for the release notes, for example; there is release and documentation areas in the feature page | 12:54 |
| moixs | yes, there is no real need for another administrative layer...we "just" need to exploit the features page | 12:54 |
| quaid | just having someone from Marketing steward that each release ... | 12:54 |
| quaid | it could be topical, cf. FWN | 12:54 |
| quaid | technical, collaborative, shiny stuff, etc. | 12:54 |
| themayor | okay does someone want to be responsible for that? | 12:55 |
| moixs | I lack of experience | 12:55 |
| quaid | well, strategically ... | 12:56 |
| quaid | maybe role assignment | 12:56 |
| quaid | comes out of meeting with RHM, FWN, et al | 12:56 |
| quaid | we need to get a good picture of what parts we have, what we need, etc. | 12:56 |
| quaid | maybe discuss actively on the list will be enough? | 12:57 |
| themayor | okay so we are coming close to an hour | 12:57 |
| themayor | so why dont we say this | 12:57 |
| themayor | we have those 2 goals really | 12:57 |
| themayor | to publicize features more and to come up with more stories about people and projects right | 12:58 |
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| themayor | so why dont we move the discussion to the list | 12:58 |
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| quaid | themayor: I'm editing Marketing/Tasks right now btw, adding in stuff about release announcements and the like | 12:59 |
| themayor | okay, so quaid can you send out a quick mail to the list when you are done about what you added and about what we spoke about and we can follow up next week | 13:00 |
| tw2113 | i think we've done a decent job with that stuff in the past, but it sounds like we want to up that even more | 13:00 |
| moixs | That seems a good idea, my problem is that I don't know how the feature page is populated...I'm too new to Fedora marketing to know your inner workings and all the people. I'm basically watching at the moment. | 13:00 |
| * tw2113 recalls a lot of posted interviews | 13:00 | |
| themayor | moixs: well dont be afraid to ask questions | 13:00 |
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| themayor | we should be highlighting those unsung developers, yes | 13:01 |
| * tw2113 thinks that ianweller_afk should get an interview this round | 13:02 | |
| themayor | quaid: ?? | 13:05 |
| quaid | sorry, busy doing :) | 13:06 |
| quaid | got it | 13:06 |
| themayor | okay thanks | 13:07 |
| themayor | so with that does anyone have anything else to add? | 13:07 |
| moixs | no | 13:08 |
| tw2113 | nothing from me | 13:09 |
| * quaid ready to capture and post IRC log when we are done | 13:09 | |
| themayor | okay thats a wrap! follow up on the list and we will discuss again next week | 13:09 |