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| themayor | alriht so well give it a couple more minutes for people to get here | 20:03 |
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| fugolini | I apologize not to be able to join the next weeks meeting, but meeting time don't fit my schedule. BTW, I'll be happy to read the logs/summary :) | 20:03 |
| themayor | yay, we finally got release forms!!!!! | 20:04 |
| spevack | brilliant | 20:04 |
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| moixs | Talking about that, this pictre book project is nowhere to be seen on our wiki. Is it a marketing group project? | 20:05 |
| spevack | it is | 20:05 |
| spevack | there is a wiki page for it. | 20:05 |
| themayor | we have a page for it | 20:05 |
| moixs | Then it's hidden | 20:05 |
| themayor | marketing/picture_book i think | 20:05 |
| themayor | its linked off the task list probably | 20:05 |
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| moixs | Trust me, i followed every single link on the wiki during the last week :p | 20:06 |
| moixs | yes, maybe there | 20:06 |
| fugolini | ehehe, | 20:06 |
| spevack | Marketing/Fedora_Picture_Book | 20:06 |
| moixs | Great | 20:06 |
| themayor | okay anyway, can we roll call and get this formally started | 20:07 |
| moixs | Steven Moix | 20:07 |
| spevack | Max Spevack | 20:07 |
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| * spevack wonders if we are out of luck until the tuesday meetings start. | 20:08 | |
| spevack | fortunately, that's in a few days :) | 20:08 |
| themayor | yeah | 20:08 |
| spevack | why don't the three of us use this hour | 20:08 |
| themayor | well usually we still have people | 20:08 |
| spevack | to get some work done | 20:08 |
| themayor | yeah we will | 20:08 |
| moixs | Still, if nobody else is here we can still advance on some points | 20:08 |
| themayor | spevack: continue, what did you have in mind? | 20:09 |
| * fugolini even I'm not a big hand, I'm here too | 20:09 | |
| spevack | themayor: i want to go down the schedule of release tasks | 20:09 |
| spevack | and talk about each. | 20:09 |
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| themayor | okay sure | 20:09 |
| themayor | lets open it up | 20:09 |
| themayor | the F11 page | 20:09 |
| moixs | Marketing_schedule_and_task_list | 20:09 |
| themayor | by the way moixs i think we need to rename the page to reflect f11 | 20:10 |
| themayor | because other than the blurb at the top of the page, its impossible to know, by the link what release this is for | 20:10 |
| moixs | okay, just update the links then | 20:10 |
| spevack | ok | 20:11 |
| spevack | I'm looking at "6 weeks prior to alpha" | 20:11 |
| spevack | skipping the news distribution network item for the moment | 20:11 |
| spevack | moixs has been doing a lot of work on the other two, and thank you for that. | 20:11 |
| moixs | (need to talk about this later) | 20:11 |
| * fugolini is wondering if Joeh Doe is a fictionary name ... maybe I'm right | 20:11 | |
| spevack | moixs: is there a lot still to do on wiki cleanup and organization? | 20:11 |
| moixs | Yes, John Doe is just a template | 20:11 |
| themayor | yes, its a generic name, fiuctionary in the US | 20:11 |
| spevack | fugolini: "john doe" is a name we use in America to represent "just some random person" | 20:12 |
| spevack | we should probably change it to "unassigned" or something that doesn't have cultural problems | 20:12 |
| moixs | spevack: not really, i have to update the news distribution pages, otherwise it's mostly done. | 20:12 |
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| * lcafiero sneaks into the meeting and sits in the back. | 20:12 | |
| moixs | spevack: Im updating the john does right now | 20:12 |
| spevack | moixs: as far as the news distribution page, there's a target date of next tuesday for that. are we in good shape? do you need help? is the task clear? | 20:12 |
| spevack | lcafiero: feel free to chime in any time | 20:13 |
| * spevack goes afk for a minute or two -- themayor, keep us rolling | 20:13 | |
| themayor | okay | 20:13 |
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| moixs | spevack: as I got no other answer than themayor's on the mailing list, I'll implement it. This means that i need to find people for every important language in the ambassador pool. I'll do that tomorrow. | 20:13 |
| themayor | moixs: yeah, ill do english | 20:14 |
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| moixs | spevack: as I suggested, we should assign people from the marketing group for the english language | 20:14 |
| themayor | moixs: can you follow up on the other languages and coordinate with the different local communities? | 20:14 |
| moixs | themayor: great, add yourself to the list then | 20:14 |
| themayor | doing it now | 20:14 |
| cmpahar | sorry guys for being late | 20:14 |
| moixs | themayor: yes, no problem | 20:14 |
| cmpahar | ChristosBacharakis | 20:14 |
| fugolini | moixs: I could take a look for italy (even if it's a not big language) | 20:16 |
| fugolini | I'll let you know | 20:16 |
| themayor | sure | 20:16 |
| themayor | fugolini: anything helps, every little biut | 20:16 |
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| cmpahar | is the meeting open for the puiblic, right? | 20:16 |
| themayor | and in fact there is alot of press italy | 20:16 |
| themayor | cmpahar: absolutely | 20:16 |
| cmpahar | the meeting is in progress right? | 20:17 |
| themayor | yup | 20:17 |
| cmpahar | allright than thanks :) | 20:17 |
| moixs | fugolini: then add yourself to the list too :) | 20:17 |
| cmpahar | *then | 20:17 |
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| themayor | okay | 20:17 |
| themayor | so lets move on | 20:18 |
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| themayor | spevack: what did you want to talk about each task? | 20:18 |
| themayor | err, i mean in what respect | 20:18 |
| spevack | so i have a question about the next one | 20:18 |
| spevack | themayor: in the respect that i want to ask some questions :) | 20:18 |
| themayor | also i think we dont need priotities on the list | 20:18 |
| themayor | everything is a priority | 20:18 |
| themayor | we need to hit goals on time | 20:18 |
| themayor | i dont want people to neglect one thing in favor of the other | 20:19 |
| spevack | What exactly to we mean by the two topics under Alpha Release? | 20:19 |
| spevack | on the first one, what does the person do, once they are assigned a feature? | 20:19 |
| spevack | and on the second | 20:19 |
| themayor | okay let me explain | 20:19 |
| themayor | the first one | 20:19 |
| spevack | how is that different from the beats that are written for FWN | 20:19 |
| *fugolini* I'll do it | 20:19 | |
| themayor | also i just realized we need to have talking points updated before alpha as well | 20:20 |
| themayor | because thats when press first picks up on it | 20:20 |
| themayor | ill add it now | 20:20 |
| spevack | themayor: yep, i was going to add that | 20:20 |
| themayor | im going it now | 20:20 |
| moixs | themayor: don't forget to update the template | 20:20 |
| themayor | yup | 20:20 |
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| moixs | themayor: rename the page to reflect the F11 cycle while you are at tit | 20:21 |
| themayor | how do you rename a page | 20:23 |
| moixs | move it | 20:23 |
| spevack | just click move at the top | 20:24 |
| spevack | and it updates everything else | 20:24 |
| themayor | ah okay | 20:25 |
| themayor | Marketing_F11_schedule_and_task_list | 20:26 |
| moixs | I hate tables in wikis, I want a visual editor :D | 20:26 |
| themayor | yeah the tables confises the shit out of me | 20:26 |
| themayor | i dont think we even need task list in the link | 20:26 |
| themayor | im gonna move it again | 20:26 |
| themayor | if no one minds | 20:26 |
| themayor | this way it will be Marketing F11 Schedule | 20:26 |
| moixs | ok | 20:26 |
| themayor | it should be clear that we work from the schedule, i think it just makes a longer link to say and task list | 20:27 |
| themayor | Marketing_F11_schedule | 20:27 |
| themayor | thats nicer | 20:27 |
| moixs | the "and task list" part is there because of the general task list link in the page | 20:27 |
| moixs | which needs updating btw | 20:27 |
| moixs | I have no clue what the status of the tasks in Marketing_tasks are | 20:28 |
| themayor | yeah whatever we will take care of anyting extraneous once we have stuff set for f11 | 20:29 |
| themayor | thats the priority | 20:29 |
| themayor | to get things done that need to be for f11 | 20:29 |
| spevack | moixs: well, that page still needs significant cleanup from themayor -- some of those tasks are no longer active, etc. what themayor just said :) | 20:29 |
| themayor | gimme a second, i just need to update some stuff and paste a couple things | 20:30 |
| fugolini | ok | 20:30 |
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| themayor | okay | 20:34 |
| themayor | i updated this also | 20:34 |
| themayor | Marketing_schedule_template | 20:34 |
| themayor | changed some stuff | 20:34 |
| moixs | fine, thanks | 20:34 |
| themayor | cleaned up english | 20:34 |
| themayor | and here is the page for f11 | 20:34 |
| themayor | Marketing_F11_schedule | 20:34 |
| themayor | okay now back to spevacks questions | 20:35 |
| themayor | what is the difference between marketing people working with feature owners vs. beats | 20:35 |
| moixs | themayor: probably none? I'm just not familiar with beats | 20:36 |
| spevack | also | 20:36 |
| spevack | there's far more features than there are marketing pepole, right now :O | 20:36 |
| moixs | Could you quickly tell me how the "beats2 work right now? | 20:36 |
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| spevack | moixs: do you read Fedora Weekly News? | 20:37 |
| moixs | spevack: yes :) | 20:37 |
| spevack | well, FWN is produced with "beats" | 20:38 |
| spevack | each section is assigned to someone | 20:38 |
| spevack | whose job is to pay attention | 20:38 |
| spevack | and write that section each week. | 20:38 |
| moixs | spevack: that's perfect...the points under the alpha milestone where intended exactly for that | 20:38 |
| spevack | I think the idea of getting Marketing people to "own" the fuzzy side of a feature is a good one | 20:38 |
| spevack | the keys from a leadership point of view are: | 20:39 |
| spevack | (1) picking the right features | 20:39 |
| spevack | (2) making it clear what people should do. | 20:39 |
| spevack | a) talking points about that feature | 20:39 |
| spevack | b) interview, though that is on the schedule later | 20:39 |
| spevack | c) maybe screenshots, short demo of how to use it. | 20:39 |
| spevack | (but that might have to wait until a feature is stable) | 20:39 |
| spevack | in short, i think the idea is good | 20:39 |
| spevack | but unless we are very specific about what we want people to do | 20:40 |
| spevack | i think it will end badly | 20:40 |
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| moixs | If we select interesting topics for each release | 20:40 |
| moixs | and then contact the beats people that are assigned to this topic | 20:41 |
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| moixs | to work with us, seem reasonable? | 20:41 |
| fugolini | yes | 20:43 |
| moixs | It seems the most effective and less time consuming option to me. | 20:43 |
| themayor | yeah i think so too | 20:43 |
| moixs | Ok, so we can "delete" the whole alpha milestone. This will take place at feature freeze. | 20:44 |
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| themayor | no no | 20:45 |
| themayor | well dont delete the milestone, but maybe those tasks need to be moved | 20:45 |
| themayor | by the way i broke this | 20:45 |
| themayor | Marketing_F11_schedule | 20:45 |
| themayor | none of the comments show uop | 20:45 |
| themayor | i think i edited 6 weeks prior to alpha table and screwed something up | 20:46 |
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| moixs | themayor: my table is buggy :p | 20:46 |
| themayor | i dont know, the tables really suck ass, someone really should make a visual table extension for mediawiki | 20:46 |
| moixs | yes :D | 20:46 |
| moixs | So, i suggest to add 2 tasks to the feature freeze milestone. | 20:47 |
| themayor | which are? | 20:47 |
| moixs | 2 sec :p | 20:47 |
| themayor | im not against it, i just want someone to restate them clearly | 20:47 |
| themayor | theres gotta be stuff to do by alpha | 20:48 |
| moixs | "Select marketing topics we want to focus on" and "Contact beats people about these topics" | 20:48 |
| themayor | i am also going to add meetings with the other teams | 20:48 |
| themayor | okay | 20:48 |
| moixs | something like that, instead of the 2 under alpha | 20:48 |
| themayor | make them a week apart | 20:48 |
| themayor | so the first week we can talk about the topics and then contact beat writers for the next | 20:48 |
| moixs | editing right now | 20:48 |
| themayor | yeah im editing the other page | 20:49 |
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| moixs | done | 20:51 |
| moixs | things under alpha have been removed and 2 tasks have been added under feature freeze. It's safe to assume that we can select the topics at the very beginning of the feature freeze phase. All the important things should have been decided at the spoint. | 20:52 |
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| themayor | moixs: you changed both pages? | 20:53 |
| moixs | themayor: no, only one of them | 20:53 |
| moixs | themayor: I'm editing the second one | 20:54 |
| themayor | yeah bevause i was on the page i wanted to get off | 20:55 |
| fugolini | eheh | 20:55 |
| moixs | done | 20:55 |
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| moixs | I HATE these tables | 20:56 |
| moixs | with a passion | 20:56 |
| moixs | We have a duplicate item: "Update the Talking Points" | 20:56 |
| spevack | moixs: where? | 20:57 |
| spevack | moixs: because we have to update them once for alpha, once for beta, etc. | 20:57 |
| moixs | spevack: 6 weeks prior to alpha and feature freeze | 20:57 |
| themayor | yeah we need b oth | 20:57 |
| moixs | ok | 20:57 |
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| spevack | every sub-release within the larger cycle needs that item | 20:58 |
| themayor | one before alpha, because thats when press start writing, and then feature freeze when stuff is set in stone | 20:58 |
| moixs | yes, good idea | 20:58 |
| moixs | So, we have dates and topics until 03.03 | 20:59 |
| moixs | we need to assign people now :p | 20:59 |
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| themayor | well we already have a semi-talking points page | 20:59 |
| moixs | themayor: you should link to it in the task name | 21:00 |
| themayor | yeah i will im diggin up the page | 21:00 |
| themayor | anyeone know why the notes disapparead | 21:00 |
| moixs | I haven't seen them | 21:01 |
| fugolini | mediawiki bug? | 21:01 |
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| moixs | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/TalkingPoints this page? | 21:01 |
| moixs | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Talking_Points | 21:02 |
| moixs | ? | 21:02 |
| themayor | added | 21:02 |
| themayor | f11 talking points | 21:02 |
| themayor | i put it up already | 21:02 |
| moixs | nothing was linking to the page, that's why it was nowhere :D | 21:02 |
| themayor | by the way the date ranges are fucked up | 21:03 |
| themayor | edit] 6 weeks prior to Alpha - From 2008-11-25 to 2008-12-24 | 21:03 |
| themayor | ?? | 21:03 |
| moixs | what's wrong with that? | 21:04 |
| themayor | oh sorry im just messed up | 21:04 |
| themayor | nothing | 21:04 |
| themayor | im just messed up | 21:04 |
| themayor | for a second i got very confused | 21:04 |
| themayor | anyway, we are at about an hour | 21:04 |
| themayor | actually over | 21:04 |
| themayor | do we wanna take some tasks home? | 21:05 |
| themayor | and then we can continue on tuesday evening? | 21:05 |
| moixs | I added the talking points to Marketing#Resources_you_can_use_for_marketing_purposes | 21:05 |
| themayor | awesome | 21:05 |
| themayor | we should add a talking points category | 21:05 |
| themayor | actually i can do that as part of the stuff | 21:05 |
| moixs | We should assign people to the feature freeze tasks | 21:05 |
| moixs | at least the firs tone | 21:05 |
| moixs | first one, until Tuesday | 21:05 |
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| themayor | i think moksha is important | 21:06 |
| moixs | spevack seems to have the best overview of the whole project, no? | 21:06 |
| fugolini | i wash just looking the demo | 21:06 |
| fugolini | *was | 21:06 |
| themayor | more or less | 21:07 |
| moixs | Do we want to discuss these things on Tuesday? | 21:07 |
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| spevack | *nod* | 21:07 |
| spevack | we need more people | 21:07 |
| moixs | I have enough stuff to do until then | 21:07 |
| themayor | okay fine, so lets table until tuesday. one other thing im gonna do | 21:08 |
| themayor | go in and add links on the f11 schedule to each item if it exists | 21:08 |
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| moixs | yes | 21:08 |
| cmpahar | you can count on me.. i was inactive for my exams but i am available now | 21:08 |
| fugolini | See you soon! | 21:08 |
| themayor | okay cmpahar we have a new meeting time | 21:08 |
| themayor | tuesdays at 21.00 utc | 21:08 |
| cmpahar | i am aware... allright themayor :) | 21:09 |
| themayor | moixs: we can count on you for the log, right? | 21:09 |
| moixs | themayor: yes yes | 21:09 |
| fugolini | If you will able could it be possible to have a summary of the meetings (just few words per topic) | 21:09 |
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| themayor | put it up on the wiki, email me in priovate, ill send links to the lsit and whatever if you want | 21:09 |
| fugolini | so that it would be easy to understand what it was done | 21:09 |
| fugolini | You make me, and maybe other poeple, a big favour. | 21:10 |
| moixs | fugolini: yes, I try to do that. | 21:10 |
| moixs | themayor: it's ok, I'll handle the whole process | 21:10 |
| themayor | alright guys, thanks, see you on tuesday | 21:10 |
| fugolini | don't worry. Before Marketing tasks, then this | 21:10 |
| moixs | ok, have a nice evening :) | 21:11 |
| cmpahar | see you soon | 21:11 |
| cmpahar | bb | 21:11 |
| fugolini | if you have a free slot, if not, feel free to ignore it | 21:11 |
| fugolini | ehheeh | 21:11 |
| cmpahar | u 2 | 21:11 |
| fugolini | you too | 21:11 |