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| themayor | okay its 4pm here in nyc and 21.00utc elsewhere | 22:00 |
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| themayor | lets get this show on the road | 22:00 |
| themayor | should we roll call again? | 22:00 |
| moixs | Steven Moix | 22:01 |
| rmenezes | RodrigoMenezes | 22:01 |
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| * stickster woo | 22:01 | |
| themayor | Jack | 22:01 |
| * themayor waves to stickster | 22:01 | |
| * heffer is guest | 22:01 | |
| spevack | Max "The Moderator" Spevack | 22:02 |
| themayor | hahaha | 22:02 |
| * GeroldKa GeroldKassube | 22:02 | |
| stickster | pfft | 22:02 |
| ianweller | .wikilink ianweller | 22:02 |
| ianweller | aww, no zodbot? :( | 22:02 |
| themayor | that didnt work so well | 22:02 |
| themayor | im afraid zodbot is no longer with us ian | 22:02 |
| * mizmo - Mairin Duffy | 22:02 | |
| tw2113 | did i show up in time for a meeting? | 22:03 |
| themayor | yup | 22:03 |
| ianweller | tw2113: yes you did! | 22:03 |
| themayor | this is our new meeting time! | 22:03 |
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| tw2113 | awww, i even get food during it | 22:03 |
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| * ianweller is gonna move really quick so that he can get a dr. pepper | 22:03 | |
| themayor | yeah | 22:03 |
| themayor | alright so lets get going | 22:03 |
| tw2113 | MichaelBeckwith | 22:03 |
| themayor | actually the first thing i want to discuss is the picture book | 22:03 |
| themayor | i would like ideally, by the time we end this discussion have the critical path forward mapped out | 22:04 |
| mizmo | its superficial of me but i think the form needs to be restyled a bit to look nicer | 22:04 |
| mizmo | some of the lawyer edits messed up the style hehe | 22:04 |
| tw2113 | another thing lawyers are good for | 22:04 |
| themayor | and this should end up on the wiki sometime in the next couple of hours, and work should progress very rapidly | 22:04 |
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| themayor | ianweller: did you get that pop yet? | 22:05 |
| mizmo | design eye for the legal guy (or gal as the case was i think) | 22:05 |
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| themayor | haha | 22:05 |
| ianweller | i'm back :) | 22:05 |
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| themayor | alright, read the scrollback, i want you to take the drivers seat for the next few minutes | 22:06 |
| ianweller | ohh boy. | 22:06 |
| themayor | hahaha | 22:06 |
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| ianweller | mizmo: if you wanna fix the design of the release form then sure :) | 22:06 |
| ianweller | send me a new one when you're done | 22:06 |
| ianweller | ummm. where to start | 22:06 |
| themayor | give us the update, whats up with pricing? whats the format, how do we move forward and where is that on that on the wiki? | 22:07 |
| ianweller | it's nowhere on the wiki cuz i'm damn lazy, i'll fix that after the meeting | 22:07 |
| * spevack is curious to know what people think of his suggestion on mapping out a plan for each page of the book. but all in good time :) | 22:07 | |
| ianweller | spevack: i liked that idea fyi | 22:07 |
| themayor | yeah, mizmo what do you think about that? | 22:07 |
| themayor | is that something that is easily done without having all the pictures or knowing what they will be yet? | 22:08 |
| ianweller | i think that if we assign pages then we can get a lot more done, quickly. | 22:08 |
| mizmo | themayor, i think thats a better approach | 22:08 |
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| ianweller | well we need One Style to Rule Them All to keep flow throughout the book | 22:08 |
| mizmo | i think we need to track down the folks in the photos from fudcon in january, get their names and stories for the book | 22:08 |
| mizmo | maybe work out some kind of format for the stories | 22:08 |
| ianweller | could we ask them to just answer "what does Fedora mean to you?" | 22:09 |
| themayor | okay well are we going with pictures and text or just pictures? | 22:09 |
| mizmo | i think we need some text | 22:09 |
| ianweller | themayor: pictures and text | 22:09 |
| ianweller | it's much harder to tell a story with pictures alone | 22:09 |
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| ianweller | anywho. back to themayor's original question... about size, cost, etc. | 22:10 |
| tw2113 | at least a specific story, just pictures allows many interpretations | 22:10 |
| ianweller | i believe that i posted to the mailing list that we would do a paperback, full-color 8.5" x 8.5" book | 22:10 |
| themayor | yup | 22:10 |
| spevack | +1 to text | 22:10 |
| ianweller | i would love to make this hardcover but LSI doesn't provide for color interior with hard cover | 22:10 |
| themayor | yeah thats fine paperback suits this better i feel anyway and its cheaper | 22:11 |
| ianweller | yeah, the more i think about it the more i like paperback | 22:11 |
| spevack | ianweller: coffee table book for the 10 year anniversary :) | 22:11 |
| themayor | its not 10 years is it? | 22:11 |
| themayor | no way | 22:11 |
| spevack | not yet | 22:11 |
| mizmo | i used fc1 in 2003 i thought | 22:11 |
| mizmo | 2004 maybe? | 22:12 |
| ianweller | it's been like, 6 at the most, right? | 22:12 |
| spevack | right, i'm saying we'll do the hardcover book when we get to 10 years | 22:12 |
| ianweller | 10 releases, five years... :) | 22:12 |
| spevack | ignore me :) | 22:12 |
| ianweller | anywho. | 22:12 |
| mizmo | lol | 22:12 |
| * mizmo claps for spevack; good idea :) | 22:12 | |
| ianweller | i've got LSI's PDF on another workspace and it says that the cost of that size is USD$1 plus $0.09 per page. so the cost of a 100-page book would be $10.00, for example. | 22:12 |
| ianweller | i believe that the initial plan was an 80-page book | 22:12 |
| mizmo | thats way reasonable | 22:12 |
| ianweller | yeah :) | 22:12 |
| spevack | well, cost certainly seems fine | 22:12 |
| themayor | yeah ian can you please post up that pdf to the wiki too at some point? | 22:13 |
| ianweller | themayor: it's somewhere in ianweller.fedorapeople.org | 22:13 |
| ianweller | lsi-docs or something | 22:13 |
| * ianweller will just get it :P | 22:13 | |
| themayor | okay great and then beyond that the format is completely up to us or are we using one of their templates? | 22:14 |
| ianweller | we send them a PDF. so it's all up to us | 22:14 |
| ianweller | http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/lsi-docs/US%20COLOR%20PRICE%20SHEET%20091508.pdf <-- pdf i'm looking at | 22:14 |
| ianweller | anywho, this is hopefully where the "artsy" folk except me come in. because i haven't a clue about how we should desing the pages | 22:15 |
| ianweller | design* | 22:15 |
| themayor | this sounds like a job for super mizmo | 22:15 |
| mizmo | once the f11 wallpaper is in | 22:16 |
| ianweller | well, i'm not trying to add to her pile of things to do :) | 22:16 |
| mizmo | i will start making some mocks :) | 22:16 |
| spevack | well, one option that immediately comes to mind is the "high school yearbook" where you just let people design their own page :P | 22:16 |
| * herlo is here now | 22:16 | |
| ianweller | mizmo: thank you :D | 22:16 |
| ianweller | herlo: hi! | 22:16 |
| spevack | but i don't remember what the theme of the book was supposed to be | 22:16 |
| ianweller | spevack: "four foundations" is all we've got right now | 22:16 |
| mizmo | i have a few artsy fartsy books with interesting layouts that might be inspirational | 22:16 |
| * tw2113 has a book from AIGA with a bunch of that type of stuff | 22:16 | |
| mizmo | the basic kind of layout im thinking is photos along the binding, and small captions in a narrow column along the top outer edge of the page | 22:17 |
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| spevack | ianweller: right, since it's all one book now. my idea maybe works for the "folks" part... but whatever. I feel strongly about figuring out the general outline of the book, less about how each page is structured. | 22:17 |
| mizmo | tw2113, totally, the aiga 365 books are good examples | 22:17 |
| ianweller | s/folks/friends/ | 22:17 |
| tw2113 | i have #29 | 22:17 |
| mizmo | you know what | 22:17 |
| mizmo | before we solidify the layout / dimensions | 22:17 |
| mizmo | maybe we should look through some arty books just to see | 22:18 |
| mizmo | i have this aiga 365 book in my hands right now | 22:18 |
| mizmo | it's maybe 6" x 6" | 22:18 |
| mizmo | its pretty neat | 22:18 |
| tw2113 | i can look through mine some more later | 22:18 |
| ianweller | i initially wanted to do a square book. 8.5" x 8.5" is all that LSI offers afaik | 22:18 |
| mizmo | what kind of binding? | 22:18 |
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| ianweller | "perfect bind" | 22:19 |
| mizmo | it might be interesting to do something like | 22:19 |
| ianweller | so a thicker paperback | 22:19 |
| mizmo | spiral bind, with a flap in one side of the cover | 22:19 |
| mizmo | so it could be used as a stand-up decoration | 22:19 |
| mizmo | or even a calendar | 22:19 |
| mizmo | (altho calendars bad, they get outdated :) ) | 22:19 |
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| mizmo | what if we took a spin on it like | 22:19 |
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| mizmo | making it a manual for how to be more fedora in your life | 22:20 |
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| mizmo | and each chapter, one for each of the four foundations, | 22:20 |
| mizmo | we have photos from people who identify with one of the foundations and talk about how that foundation guides their life | 22:20 |
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| mizmo | but the styling and stuff | 22:20 |
| themayor | by the way sorry, due to the storm, our internet lines got messed up last night, i might fade in and fade out | 22:20 |
| mizmo | is kind of like instructional | 22:20 |
| themayor | it was doing the same earlier and stopped and now its happening again | 22:20 |
| e1luca | this is Ewan Luca (User:E1luca) I'm an new ambassador but pls hear me. I've done printing (magazines for 14 yrs now). Why don't we get first the pictures and the stories. The layout will came naturaly than | 22:20 |
| tw2113 | the AIGA book i have http://graphichug.com/2009/01/05/aiga-365-29/ | 22:20 |
| themayor | i like that, pick one of the four foundations | 22:20 |
| mizmo | kind of like the queer eye for the straight guy books | 22:21 |
| themayor | and talk about it | 22:21 |
| themayor | send us a picture | 22:21 |
| * ianweller blinks, throttles his head, and refocuses | 22:21 | |
| mizmo | not just be pictures of people and their stories, but be a call to action | 22:21 |
| mizmo | like | 22:21 |
| mizmo | okay for example, here is a picture of mo wearing a fedora bubble sticker on her head | 22:21 |
| mizmo | she identifies with freedom | 22:21 |
| tw2113 | "how you can be in the next book" | 22:21 |
| ianweller | e1luca: hi! welcome :) | 22:22 |
| mizmo | the blurb could be something like, mo lives her life with freedom, she frees all of the artwork she creates with open licenses | 22:22 |
| mizmo | and then the instructional blurb would be | 22:22 |
| themayor | hey e1luca! thanks for joining us | 22:22 |
| heffer | how about a mosaic made up from the hackergotchis? :D | 22:22 |
| mizmo | "is there any artwork or other creative media that you've made that you haven't freed? do you think it might be useful to someone else? consider freeing some media today" | 22:22 |
| ianweller | e1luca: we can have a layout with some filler images while we wait on getting the large amount of photos we need, right? | 22:22 |
| themayor | heffer thats cool for the last couple of pages maybe | 22:22 |
| themayor | or maybe the first couple | 22:22 |
| stickster | or endpapers. Anyhoo... | 22:22 |
| themayor | although one point i want to make | 22:23 |
| e1luca | @ ian. yes we can. I can try something if you like | 22:23 |
| heffer | that's what i thought about as well. maybe the fedora logo or would that be utter abuse of the logo guidelines? | 22:23 |
| ianweller | e1luca: that'd be lovely. all the mockups we can get and collaborate on would be wonderful :) | 22:23 |
| themayor | from working on this type of stuff before, i find that if we have a theme and let people submit pictures and text and whatever, the layout eventually comes naturally | 22:23 |
| themayor | but of course some initial mockups are good to have | 22:23 |
| ianweller | yeah if we just get a theme down | 22:23 |
| themayor | and yes, design your own page is a great idea too | 22:23 |
| mizmo | i guess what im proposing then, is the theme could be: "how to be fedora: an instructional guide" | 22:23 |
| mizmo | or "how to live fedora" | 22:24 |
| mizmo | something like that | 22:24 |
| heffer | is the print borderless? | 22:24 |
| ianweller | ok so because i've been in lots of meetings with spevack now i've become accustomed to liking task lists. | 22:24 |
| tw2113 | "Bring the F in" | 22:24 |
| themayor | hahaha | 22:24 |
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| spevack | ianweller: :D glad to know i have such a positive impact on the lives of our youth | 22:24 |
| ianweller | so. task list time! | 22:24 |
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| tw2113 | i can try and help the mo out with layout stuff | 22:25 |
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| spevack | ianweller: you should join one of our weekly commarch phone calls if you really want to see me weave my web of mastery :P | 22:25 |
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| tw2113 | i have some experience there from school newspapers | 22:25 |
| ianweller | ok. first thing, i think, is to get the photos as quickly as possibe. | 22:25 |
| ianweller | possible* | 22:25 |
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| ianweller | so i think the community needs to be made more aware that this is happening, and hopefully by next week we'll start accepting photos. | 22:26 |
| themayor | well if we have everything up on the wiki, we can all start blogging about it | 22:26 |
| themayor | and if that place to upload photos exists | 22:26 |
| heffer | flood planet? | 22:26 |
| ianweller | themayor: i'm thinking of going as far as adding a 200x100px image to the sidebar of the fp.o websites | 22:26 |
| moixs | Yes, just make the picture book project visible on the wiki, it's really well hidden now :p | 22:26 |
| ianweller | where the F11 alpha image is now, just put it in the rotation | 22:26 |
| themayor | yup, ianweller, that works too | 22:27 |
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| * ianweller starts making a task list | 22:27 | |
| ianweller | * on the wiki | 22:27 |
| themayor | okay ian, here is what im gonna ask of you | 22:28 |
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| themayor | can you please weave the task list into the current schedule? | 22:28 |
| themayor | so that this way we have one point of reference | 22:28 |
| ianweller | where is that | 22:28 |
| themayor | Marketing_F11_schedule | 22:28 |
| themayor | and also, i can count on you to update the picture book wiki page right? | 22:29 |
| ianweller | yeah. | 22:29 |
| ianweller | is beta release seriously supposed to be today? wow | 22:30 |
| ianweller | or did that get pushed | 22:30 |
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| * tw2113 thinks of all the work left for the art team | 22:30 | |
| spevack | Schedule | 22:30 |
| spevack | pushed | 22:30 |
| spevack | 3 weeks | 22:30 |
| themayor | okay awesome, and feel free to ping mo and the art folks sparingly | 22:30 |
| ianweller | ok. so i'm gonna throw out some things that need to be done and people can grab them or not | 22:30 |
| spevack | the marketing schedule is wrong now | 22:30 |
| themayor | yeah it was pushed | 22:30 |
| themayor | we will update it | 22:30 |
| themayor | spevack: ill do it after the meeting | 22:30 |
| spevack | *nod* | 22:31 |
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| themayor | its good because we have until next week (or two) to finalize a few things | 22:31 |
| * inode0 has a marketing question for the end if there is time ... and if he can be pinged :) | 22:31 | |
| ianweller | umm ok. first task will be a 200x100px 'now accepting photos' banner for the fp.o sidebar | 22:31 |
| spevack | sounds good | 22:31 |
| * ianweller counts to 10 | 22:31 | |
| tw2113 | i'll take it | 22:31 |
| themayor | ian, create a task list with everything you need and splice it into the f11 schedule then | 22:31 |
| themayor | and we can follow up from there from now on | 22:32 |
| tw2113 | i have an idea for it already | 22:32 |
| ianweller | tw2113: sweet! | 22:32 |
| ianweller | i'll put that one under "feature freeze" | 22:32 |
| themayor | you can even tag those tasks something like for Pciture book | 22:32 |
| tw2113 | and i have time, and if i stay motivated, it'll get started today | 22:32 |
| heffer | is there guideline in which format the photos need to be submitted (min. resolution/JPEG/RAW etc.) | 22:32 |
| ianweller | heffer: it'll be jpeg, but if the photographer has a RAW photo then we'll ask them to mention that. | 22:32 |
| moixs | heffer: yes, that's probably in the page ianweller needs to take care of | 22:32 |
| ianweller | which means i need to double check the photo submission guidelines | 22:32 |
| moixs | heffer: Marketing/Fedora_Picture_Book | 22:33 |
| ianweller | um. ok i need a photographer to look over the photo submission guidelines at [Picture book]] and check the sanity of them | 22:33 |
| tw2113 | mizmo, if you're still around later, slap me if i admit i haven't started | 22:33 |
| heffer | moixs, thank you | 22:33 |
| themayor | yup, thanks ian, if you can get that stuff up it will kick ass, and then we can follow up again next week | 22:33 |
| themayor | ianweller is the man | 22:33 |
| mizmo | ive got a mockup, will upload in one sec | 22:33 |
| themayor | alright, shall we move on to the schedule now? | 22:33 |
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| * ianweller will get a task list written up and will post the relavant items to the mailing list for people to take :) | 22:34 | |
| themayor | alright, so speaking of tasks | 22:34 |
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| themayor | if everyone can pull up the schedule | 22:34 |
| tw2113 | brb, xorg is being a processor hog | 22:34 |
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| themayor | Marketing_F11_schedule | 22:35 |
| mizmo | here is what i was talking about http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/picturebook/mocks/friendsmockup.png | 22:35 |
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| moixs | We are still in a "catchup" phase for now | 22:35 |
| spevack | mizmo: lulz | 22:35 |
| themayor | yeah we have some things that really need to get done, ideally for next week | 22:36 |
| themayor | i will have the talking points finalized by next tuesday thats for sure | 22:36 |
| themayor | moixs: how is the news distribution network going? | 22:36 |
| ianweller | mizmo: bam :D | 22:36 |
| themayor | i have a list of people | 22:36 |
| themayor | where do i put those or do i keep them and just do what i need to do | 22:37 |
| themayor | the press contacts that is | 22:37 |
| moixs | It's going well, as you can see I have 3/4 of the people we need. I'm lacking of Ze germans. | 22:37 |
| heffer | i'm german. what would i need to do? | 22:37 |
| moixs | Marketing_news_distribution_network | 22:38 |
| moixs | Join this :D | 22:38 |
| GeroldKa | hehe | 22:38 |
| themayor | hahaha, luckily we have guys here | 22:38 |
| moixs | Otherwise we are fine, we have people in every language. Let's give it another week. | 22:38 |
| themayor | GeroldKa and heffer! take it awaty | 22:38 |
| themayor | okay one task that i want to have on this is the followingf | 22:39 |
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| themayor | put together a template letter to send to journalists to first inform them that there is new news and to engage themn | 22:39 |
| themayor | which each language can translate | 22:39 |
| themayor | something like dear mr. foo journalist, | 22:39 |
| themayor | as you know the fedora project has been working very hard on a new release. we expect our schedule to be as follows: {insert schedule}. we really value working with you and your coverage of us and would like to help you cover the upcoming alpha/beta/release as well | 22:40 |
| themayor | please let us know what your needs are, | 22:40 |
| themayor | thanks | 22:40 |
| themayor | what do you think? | 22:40 |
| themayor | the new beta the 17th right? | 22:41 |
| heffer | moixs, i seem able to do that :) i think i'll sign up | 22:41 |
| moixs | Honestly, I don't really see why this is important right now. Journalists want news they can use right away at this point in time. | 22:41 |
| rmenezes | about the release of an oficial news to the group, we'll create a mailing list to receive these news? | 22:41 |
| themayor | rmenezes: rahul already posts them to the list and we have a press archive | 22:41 |
| themayor | moixs: okay so what should we require by the beta? a list of places one is contacting/contacted? | 22:42 |
| moixs | rmenezes: at the beginning, I'll e-mail you personally when something pops up. But you should join the marketing mailinglist. | 22:42 |
| themayor | its your show, so ill let you make the decision | 22:42 |
| themayor | but we should have some action item for next week | 22:43 |
| rmenezes | moixs: I'm already there | 22:43 |
| moixs | themayor: yes, this is already planned. I updated the corresponding page and I'll tell people to do it (2 sec) | 22:43 |
| themayor | okay great | 22:43 |
| moixs | Marketing_press_publications | 22:43 |
| heffer | moixs, okay i've added myself so you may now pester me anytime :D | 22:44 |
| moixs | The project is going on quite well, the next step we need to take is chose what we want to talk about now :) | 22:44 |
| moixs | heffer: great | 22:44 |
| themayor | oh wow thats the press publication list | 22:44 |
| themayor | awesome | 22:44 |
| themayor | i clicked when i first saw the link and nothing happened | 22:44 |
| rmenezes | moixs, my question is, today we got news from Rahul, but he link common sites in US, how about official news? | 22:44 |
| spevack | moixs: brilliant, brilliant job with the press publications page | 22:45 |
| moixs | rmenezes: "official" news is what is intended to be distributed. | 22:45 |
| themayor | okay so i guess the task for next week is start to talk to these guys | 22:45 |
| heffer | now i pushed the youth-rate :) | 22:45 |
| moixs | spevack: it's only a revamp of an old page, I didn't produce 2/3 of the content, only updated it ;) | 22:45 |
| moixs | themayor: yes | 22:45 |
| themayor | okay i will send out an email to all the poeple on the news distribution page, and remind them to talk to people and hopefully update us before next tuesday on the list or be here next week | 22:46 |
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| moixs | I'll take care of it, don't bother :) | 22:46 |
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| moixs | Ok, let's continue :) | 22:47 |
| moixs | The next urgent task is "Select marketing topics/features we want to focus on" | 22:47 |
| ianweller | coughfourfoundationscough | 22:47 |
| moixs | which leads me to a question...how do we chose that? | 22:47 |
| spevack | ianweller: i think this is more related to specific items in the current release | 22:47 |
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| moixs | It's supposed to be based on the feature list | 22:47 |
| ianweller | oic. | 22:48 |
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| spevack | moixs: i'd be interested to get stickster's opinion on which features he thinks are most compelling | 22:48 |
| spevack | since obviously we can't do them all | 22:48 |
| moixs | spevack: exactly, we need to chose 5-6 of them maximum. | 22:48 |
| e1luca | just sticking my nose: does Fedore has a defined target? | 22:48 |
| moixs | Those who are relevant to the end users in general imo | 22:48 |
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| moixs | spevack: can you ask stickster to give his advice and post it to the mailinglist? | 22:49 |
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| themayor | stupid cablevision | 22:49 |
| moixs | If we discuss it now, it will be endless :) | 22:49 |
| themayor | who is able to work on the features page? | 22:49 |
| themayor | since thats a blocker for the other couple of tasks | 22:49 |
| spevack | moixs: i agree | 22:49 |
| themayor | what are we talking about? | 22:49 |
| rmenezes | +1, moixs | 22:50 |
| moixs | themayor: chosing which features to talk about | 22:50 |
| * spevack has agreed to ask stickster to chime in. | 22:50 | |
| moixs | Ok, that's about all we have to talk on the schedule for this week | 22:50 |
| themayor | okay so spevack can i put you down as the owner of the task to keep us updated? | 22:50 |
| spevack | yes sir | 22:50 |
| themayor | okay great updating the wiki | 22:51 |
| stickster | Sorry, was in a number of other conversations at once | 22:51 |
| * stickster notes F11_Talking_Points was the starting point. | 22:51 | |
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| spevack | stickster: if i may | 22:51 |
| spevack | stickster: the topic on the table here is separate from talking points | 22:51 |
| spevack | talking points provides the general 30 second overview/pitch for a variety of features. | 22:52 |
| themayor | stickster: yeah, the talking points will be finalized by next week, but anyway this is not compketely related | 22:52 |
| stickster | spevack: Hit me, I'm misreading the log. | 22:52 |
| spevack | what I personally envision here | 22:52 |
| spevack | is picking a subset of features -- and maybe it is the ones from the talking points -- that would be simple -- and building out longer marketing collateral about each of them | 22:52 |
| stickster | Ah, these are the features where we want developers to tell the compelling story, yeah? | 22:52 |
| spevack | maybe a tutorial, maybe screenshots, etc. | 22:52 |
| spevack | stickster: right -- both the backstory, and also the "here's how you actually use it" end-user stuff | 22:52 |
| spevack | whichever is most appropriate | 22:53 |
| stickster | Very user-focused, I'd think, i.e. widest possible appeal. | 22:53 |
| rmenezes | It'll be nice if you guys let all know when F11 Talking Points page is finished | 22:53 |
| themayor | i will work on having it done tonight and/or tomorrow by the afternoon | 22:54 |
| spevack | stickster, themayor: so, shall I just choose the ones that I think we should focus on for F11? at least as a first pass? | 22:54 |
| themayor | yes, why not | 22:54 |
| moixs | spevack: yes | 22:54 |
| stickster | spevack: I already have a handful in mind. | 22:54 |
| spevack | stickster: let them rip | 22:54 |
| themayor | i already spoke to luke about moksha | 22:54 |
| themayor | he is ready to do press stuff | 22:54 |
| stickster | spevack: Auto-font and mime type handlers | 22:54 |
| spevack | less work for me :) | 22:54 |
| stickster | spevack: | 22:54 |
| heffer | is the talking points page free to edit? i've used the Fingerprint feature and could write something about it | 22:55 |
| stickster | spevack: exxt4 default | 22:55 |
| themayor | heffer: sure go for it | 22:55 |
| stickster | spevack: Intel KMS | 22:55 |
| themayor | what does update the features page mean, which page is that exactly? | 22:55 |
| heffer | i'd focus on KMS in general | 22:56 |
| heffer | nvidia KMS works since last rawhide update | 22:56 |
| heffer | at least for me | 22:56 |
| stickster | spevack: virt improved console | 22:56 |
| moixs | Releases/11/FeatureList | 22:56 |
| moixs | this one | 22:56 |
| spevack | that's 4 | 22:56 |
| stickster | spevack: Volume Control | 22:56 |
| spevack | and that's 5 | 22:56 |
| spevack | seems like a good start | 22:57 |
| stickster | We can whittle that down to 3 if we like. | 22:57 |
| spevack | stickster: i'd ask you to priority-rank them | 22:57 |
| spevack | because the biggest challeng that we face collectively is getting these done at a high quality | 22:57 |
| themayor | true | 22:57 |
| spevack | we need to start with a basic template | 22:57 |
| rmenezes | Crashcatcher, this is important | 22:57 |
| stickster | To note about auto handlers and Intel KMS -- could be bundled as "This is why we introduced these features in F10. They're follow-on work that is possible because of our rapid release cycle." | 22:57 |
| spevack | specifically what the goals are for one of these feature in-depth pieces. | 22:57 |
| stickster | rmenezes: Yes, but it won't be done for F11, so no-go. | 22:58 |
| spevack | themayor: make it an action item of mine to come up with a template for that | 22:58 |
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| themayor | yeah, spevack i think thats what "update the feature page" item means | 22:58 |
| themayor | unless im on the wronbg frequency | 22:58 |
| spevack | themayor: i feel like my vision here is slightly different. | 22:59 |
| spevack | Let me paint a picture for everyone that GeroldKa put into myhead last night | 22:59 |
| moixs | Can we discuss the choices on the mailinglist? The page which needs updating is F11_Talking_Points | 22:59 |
| spevack | stickster: if you can stick around for the next few minutes, that would be great | 22:59 |
| themayor | moixs: hold on lets see what spevack says | 22:59 |
| rmenezes | stickster: ok, but this should not be there, right, at least move to top down in this page | 22:59 |
| stickster | spevack: Auto-handlers for fonts and mimetypes are possible *because* of PackageKit, which was intro'd in F9 and along the way added support for GStreamer codecs. Intel KMS follows on the initial work done on Radeon r300 to shorten boot time. We promised to extend all these features for more people, and here we're making good on it. | 22:59 |
| spevack | So we've got our 4 foundations, as ianweller continues to remind us :) | 22:59 |
| * ianweller coughs again | 22:59 | |
| spevack | GeroldKa suggested to me that we build a marketing campaign around four web pages | 23:00 |
| * stickster can table this and talk about it more after this meeting. | 23:00 | |
| spevack | fp.org/freedom /first /features /friends | 23:00 |
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| spevack | now I'm envisioning those four pages as landing pages, and the features page would highlight the list that stickster is currently describing to us for F11 | 23:00 |
| spevack | each of these features would have its own relatively in-depth page with a description, maybe an interview, screenshots or tutorial, whatever is interesting. | 23:01 |
| spevack | I'm not sure how we'd populate the other pages yet, or at what frequency, but the idea in my head -- i like it! | 23:01 |
| spevack | EOF | 23:01 |
| spevack | and the update cycles for each page can vary | 23:01 |
| spevack | features with the release cycle, etc. | 23:01 |
| spevack | it feels like a good way of amplifying the marketing message of the four foundations *cough* that I believe we need to focus all of our efforts around for several years to see the payoff | 23:02 |
| stickster | spevack: So -- just for the sake of example -- | 23:02 |
| spevack | EOF again. flames/comments? | 23:02 |
| tw2113 | firrrrrrrrrrrre! | 23:02 |
| stickster | One could set a target of updating each page 3-4 times a year, and then cycle the newest update from one to another | 23:02 |
| themayor | yeah thats awesome | 23:02 |
| stickster | i.e. "Friends" gets updated this month, "Features" next... etc. | 23:02 |
| moixs | the 4 pages/foundation seems good too | 23:03 |
| spevack | *nods* | 23:03 |
| stickster | This mont | 23:03 |
| stickster | oops | 23:03 |
| spevack | mizmo, ianweller: what do you think? | 23:03 |
| themayor | yeah and you know what this kind of takes the place of a magazine | 23:03 |
| themayor | except its a living, moving magazine | 23:03 |
| tw2113 | less gutter! | 23:03 |
| tw2113 | oops wrong room | 23:03 |
| spevack | GeroldKa: your idea seems popular :) | 23:04 |
| mizmo | i love the idea spevack | 23:04 |
| stickster | 'This month on "Friends": One Fedora contributor gives 15 Fedora-powered computers to a local adult education center." | 23:04 |
| mizmo | david did write ups for each F didnt he | 23:04 |
| spevack | stickster: you got it | 23:04 |
| * ianweller isn't sure what he thinks because he is tiirrred :( | 23:04 | |
| mizmo | those could be sort of the base blurb for each? then we can update with different news items under each | 23:04 |
| spevack | ianweller: you like it </jedi-mind-trick> | 23:04 |
| ianweller | ok now with stickster's example it seems good except now it sounds like a sitcom | 23:05 |
| GeroldKa | thanks Max | 23:05 |
| mizmo | ianweller's mind is in the gutter (#fedora-art joke hehe) | 23:05 |
| ianweller | getitoffgetitoff | 23:05 |
| stickster | "This month on 'Freedom': Jack and the girls are caught in a bind when the rent goes down the disposal, and Mr. Roper's mad as the dickens!" | 23:05 |
| tw2113 | bind.........heeheeheee | 23:05 |
| themayor | hahahaha | 23:05 |
| * ianweller sets tw2113 on fire | 23:05 | |
| stickster | spevack: I really like this idea. | 23:05 |
| themayor | stickster: threes company rules! | 23:06 |
| themayor | i agree | 23:06 |
| themayor | i think everyone does | 23:06 |
| stickster | I think it's an excellent seed idea for the magazine itself. | 23:06 |
| themayor | how do we move forward | 23:06 |
| * spevack credits GeroldKa for putting the idea in his head | 23:06 | |
| stickster | GeroldKa is rocking. | 23:06 |
| GeroldKa | thanks stickster your honoring me more that I can catch | 23:06 |
| spevack | themayor: my recommendation | 23:06 |
| stickster | mizmo: I sort of filtered what David wrote into the [Foundations]] page on the wiki | 23:06 |
| spevack | is to separate the production of these in-depth feature articles | 23:06 |
| spevack | from the four pages idea | 23:07 |
| * ianweller has to run soon | 23:07 | |
| spevack | assign out the feature articles based on stickster's priorities | 23:07 |
| GeroldKa | it's a idea which fab_a; andreasRau and me are creating on the trip home from FAd | 23:07 |
| spevack | and assign moving forward the four pages idea to me | 23:07 |
| GeroldKa | FRT, sorry, which was also an success | 23:07 |
| spevack | and un-assign the other thing that i volunteerd for a few minutes ago, since stickster showed up :) | 23:07 |
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| mizmo | how are we doing onthe blog front | 23:07 |
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| mizmo | cuz a wordpress blog would be ideal for driving this... | 23:07 |
| * tw2113 just got an idea from mizmo about a 4 F's wordpress theme | 23:08 | |
| * ianweller just got an idea from tw2113 about integrating the 4 F's into the fp.o chrome | 23:08 | |
| stickster | mizmo: Right on. | 23:09 |
| * stickster waits for themayor to get back online.... | 23:09 | |
| spevack | weather must be messing w/ the intarwebs in NYC | 23:09 |
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| * mizmo is all wordpress happy from recently switching from LJ | 23:09 | |
| stickster | Yeah, I sympathize having gone through this yesterday. | 23:09 |
| * tw2113 blames mizmo for os·mo·sis | 23:09 | |
| ianweller | mizmo: :D | 23:10 |
| stickster | mizmo: Yes! Finally, people are seeing the light... ;-) | 23:10 |
| * tw2113 guesses that LJ isn't OSS | 23:10 | |
| spevack | mizmo: i have on my todo list migrating away from LJ also, after Jeremy wrote a blog post about how he did it. But it's the last item on my list, which means it will never happen | 23:10 |
| * stickster has been on Wordpress for, like, 7 years now. | 23:10 | |
| mizmo | tw2113, it is but they erm aren't as good about releasing their source as they used to be | 23:10 |
| mizmo | tw2113, not that they were ever great about it, they never did tarball releases | 23:10 |
| spevack | but on LJ I get to have intarweb dramz! | 23:10 |
| stickster | Yet I still don't know how to monetize my hundreds of monthly hits. ;-D | 23:11 |
| moixs | Do we still have thinkgs to talk about? ;) | 23:11 |
| mizmo | spevack, wordpress has an automagiacally LJ importer which is great except wehn u gotta spend 2 hours afterwards fixing img src links... sigh | 23:11 |
| moixs | s/thinks/things/ | 23:11 |
| spevack | moixs: we're waiting for themayor to get back online. | 23:11 |
| stickster | It's probably late y'all's time in EU. | 23:11 |
| mizmo | would it be possible for fedora-infra to install a small wordpress install for marketing? | 23:11 |
| moixs | Yes, I'm sleepy :) | 23:11 |
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| stickster | mizmo: I think they had a wordpress or wordpress-mu set up at one point. | 23:12 |
| spevack | moixs: yeah, it's 11:15 PM for us, isn't it | 23:12 |
| spevack | well, i think we can probably call the meeting here | 23:12 |
| spevack | it's been 75 minutes, and I think we have plenty of action items to keep us all busy next week | 23:12 |
| moixs | spevack: it is, following a 5h-sleep night yesterday. My eyes are closing :) | 23:12 |
| * ianweller has a font to work fix up :) | 23:13 | |
| spevack | We need to get a log posted, and a summary of the action items out to the mailing list. I'm sure themayor will take care of that. | 23:13 |
| mizmo | i posted my mock to the list, give me feedbacks yo | 23:13 |
| spevack | so on behalf of Jack, I thank you all for coming tonight. | 23:13 |
| spevack | this was a good meeting | 23:13 |
| spevack | and i hope we keep this kind of energy every week | 23:13 |
| ianweller | perfect timing. /me heads home | 23:13 |
| moixs | spevack: actually, it's my job. I'll do it in exactly 16h. | 23:13 |
| tw2113 | i have a graphic to make and i'm planning on revamping michaelbox.net | 23:13 |
| moixs | I'm too tired to edit the whole thing right now | 23:13 |
| spevack | moixs: let me know about my suggestion of meeting you in Switzerland too, whenever you have time :) | 23:14 |
| spevack | moixs: i'd like to buy you a meal! | 23:14 |
| moixs | spevack: yes, I don't know right now...I'll give you an answer in ~10 days | 23:14 |
| spevack | that's fine, no rush moixs | 23:14 |
| spevack | i'm not leaving for 20 days : | 23:15 |
| spevack | :) | 23:15 |
| stickster | spevack: Did you want to chat about stuff or save it for tomorrow? | 23:15 |
| spevack | ianweller, mizmo, stickster: thanks for your time tonight | 23:15 |
| moixs | Ok, my room mate goes to bed, which means he will shut down the router :) | 23:15 |
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| * tw2113 just saw fedora banner graphics with the FC5 bubbles, on planet fedora | 23:15 | |
| moixs | ++ | 23:15 |
| spevack | stickster: i got time for you now if you like | 23:15 |
| spevack | stickster: gimme 5 mins? | 23:15 |
| stickster | Yeah, it was all about that featured feature list. | 23:15 |
| spevack | ah | 23:15 |
| spevack | in that case, carry on. | 23:15 |
| spevack | if we're gonna do it on IRC. | 23:15 |
| stickster | I don't have any other agenda other than to make sure we're in agreement. | 23:15 |
| mizmo | my pleasure spevack | 23:16 |
