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| themayor | alright whatever lets go | 22:06 |
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| themayor | lets work with what we got | 22:06 |
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| themayor | okay so on the agenda | 22:07 |
| themayor | 1. plan for this week | 22:07 |
| themayor | 2. reiterate plan for tuesday | 22:07 |
| themayor | 3. release and post release items | 22:08 |
| themayor | 1. this week | 22:09 |
| themayor | more of the content | 22:09 |
| themayor | we put out a podcast yesterday which i need to add to the wiki | 22:09 |
| themayor | the press blog went out today | 22:09 |
| themayor | press.redhat.com | 22:09 |
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| themayor | i have a q&a with bastien on fingerprint auth which i think i will hold until tomorrow because non of the other three guys got back to me with their interviews yet | 22:10 |
| * stickster will be adding it to our Linux.com feed | 22:10 | |
| themayor | awesome | 22:10 |
| themayor | then there are those interviews | 22:11 |
| themayor | and one for fedora community and the fedora tour | 22:11 |
| themayor | i will have the tour done, or at least as close to done as possible tonight | 22:11 |
| themayor | i wanted to have it done yesterday | 22:11 |
| themayor | sigh | 22:11 |
| themayor | anyone have any questions on things for this week, or wants to add anything they are doing | 22:12 |
| themayor | ? | 22:12 |
| moixs | Just a follow-up on last week's reunion | 22:12 |
| stickster | I've been working on finishing up other released docs on RH properties | 22:12 |
| themayor | oh yeah and stickster and myself are having a meeting with rh corp communications tomorrow at 2 to discuss press plan moving into next week | 22:13 |
| moixs | I didn't contact the NDN people yet to prepare them to the release, because of the slip. Will do it this week. That's all on my side. | 22:13 |
| stickster | themayor: See email, 2 tomorrow may not work | 22:13 |
| moixs | stickster: very nice podcast with Laporte btw | 22:13 |
| stickster | But we'll figure it out | 22:13 |
| stickster | moixs: Thank you sir | 22:13 |
| stickster | http://twit.tv/FLOSS | 22:13 |
| themayor | stickster: i saw | 22:14 |
| themayor | okay whenever is good for everyone is good for me | 22:14 |
| stickster | I've done a few different podcasts over the last few months, but if anyone knows others that are worthwhile, I'm willing | 22:14 |
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| stickster | I was going to mention the other information I'm working on. | 22:15 |
| themayor | go for it, please | 22:15 |
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| stickster | Besides the official Red Hat press release | 22:15 |
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| stickster | and the press blog entries that I've been working on with Jack | 22:16 |
| stickster | I prepared another press blog entry for release day itself. | 22:16 |
| stickster | That will go onto press.redhat.com | 22:16 |
| stickster | I'm also working on a feature article for Red Hat Magazine -- haven't heard whether they're taking it yet, but if so, it will link to the release video. | 22:16 |
| stickster | Beyond that, I expect to be tied up doing pre-briefs later this week. | 22:17 |
| stickster | We sent out Live USB keys to a number of journalists, and those pre-briefs are interviews they conduct with me in advance of the release. | 22:17 |
| stickster | They take a look at something very close to F11, read some of our summary documentation, and then they can ask questions about it in an interview, to get information that's relevant to their respective audiences. | 22:18 |
| stickster | <eof/> | 22:18 |
| themayor | okay great | 22:18 |
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| themayor | as always, please add any press stuff to the press archive | 22:19 |
| themayor | or at least drop me a line and let me know it exists and i will add it | 22:19 |
| themayor | and in general we should be keeping very good track of everything and make sure it ends up on the press archive | 22:21 |
| themayor | its our only method of tracking anything now | 22:21 |
| themayor | after release i will talk to infrastructure about a solid metrics solution | 22:21 |
| themayor | but for now thats the best we can do | 22:21 |
| moixs | Yep, be sure to update Marketing/PressArchive/F11 | 22:21 |
| stickster | Is there any way we could allow people to tag articles using some sort of agreed upon tag, that would clue us in to reviews without having to go through wiki editing? | 22:22 |
| * stickster agrees that wiki editing is not too bad, but if you're in the middle of surfing it can slow you down | 22:23 | |
| stickster | wonder if mchua has any ideas. I'm a social networking moron. | 22:23 |
| themayor | stickster: what do you suggest? | 22:23 |
| stickster | I would guess it would require at least an agreed upon tag or tags, and maybe (?) an agreement on a particular network to use | 22:23 |
| mchua | stickster: you mean like a del.icio.us keyword? | 22:24 |
| themayor | i wonder if we can use the addthis thing i blogged about last night | 22:24 |
| stickster | mchua: Right. Is there a way to share that across many people so that any one of us could pull the results into a list periodically? | 22:24 |
| themayor | it seems pretty nifty | 22:24 |
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| stickster | (See, I told you I was a socnet moron.) | 22:25 |
| stickster | This seems like kid stuff and we should be already doing it. | 22:25 |
| themayor | maybe a twitter feed? | 22:25 |
| arunava | is it../ | 22:25 |
| stickster | themayor: The timeline runs out on that. | 22:25 |
| themayor | but that limits it to one person | 22:25 |
| themayor | ah correct | 22:25 |
| mchua | stickster: http://delicious.com/help/feeds - recent bookmarks by tag, and make a tag and tell everyone to standardize on it ("pls tag with f11article" or similar). | 22:26 |
| stickster | mchua: brilliant, thanks. | 22:26 |
| stickster | themayor: OK, make that happen :-) ^^ | 22:26 |
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| themayor | err, i was gonna ask if anyone wanted to spearhead that, lol | 22:27 |
| themayor | i can do it i guess | 22:27 |
| stickster | Tasks are: 1. Let the list know. 2. Put together an SOP. 3. Let the list know. 4. Do a couple to seed the ground. 5. Let the list know. (a theme emerges...) | 22:27 |
| stickster | :-) | 22:27 |
| themayor | yeah | 22:27 |
| themayor | i dont want it to get lost in the noise let me write it down here one sec | 22:28 |
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| * stickster & | 22:28 | |
| themayor | okay | 22:28 |
| themayor | got it | 22:28 |
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| themayor | alright shall we move on to the next thing? | 22:29 |
| themayor | wait actually | 22:29 |
| themayor | i have a question | 22:29 |
| themayor | theres a way to track what people are putting on twitter right? | 22:30 |
| themayor | like by keyword? | 22:30 |
| themayor | im pretty sure it was in the api docs when i was looking at it | 22:30 |
| * mchua looks | 22:30 | |
| moixs | You are aware that twitter is just a temporary hype in the US? :D | 22:31 |
| stickster | themayor: There's hashtags for that, I think | 22:32 |
| mchua | themayor: something like http://monitter.com/ ? (there are other services, just found http://mashable.com/2009/03/31/yahoo-sideline/ which says it's oss...) | 22:32 |
| stickster | So if I post a short message about #Fedora, that '#' will indicate it's kind of a keyword | 22:32 |
| mchua | *checks* yahoo sideline is under the bsd license. | 22:32 |
| themayor | well its a temporary hype | 22:33 |
| themayor | personally i dont like it | 22:33 |
| themayor | i think its a waste of time | 22:33 |
| themayor | but if we can use it to track activity its a plus for us | 22:33 |
| * stickster notes that he's been using twitter a long time now and most of the "hype" is due to the fact that the NYT finally realized it was there. | 22:33 | |
| stickster | And yes, honestly it's kind of useless. | 22:34 |
| stickster | It's what you do with the information that makes it worthwhile ;-) | 22:34 |
| * mchua is not a fan, but was in a class that experimented with lots of twitter usage, so I got crammed with twitter tools that I... now no longer use. Pulling them up in case, though. | 22:34 | |
| stickster | I think this conversation is going in a very interesting direction, which is -- how can we pick up on what's happening in that microblogging universe, and use it to power our work? | 22:35 |
| themayor | yeah | 22:35 |
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| stickster | If we find that a wave of "<X> doesn't work in #fedora" is cropping up, are we prepared to *do* something with that information? | 22:35 |
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| themayor | well we could be | 22:36 |
| mchua | do fedora users twitter? (and twitter about fedora?) | 22:36 |
| stickster | It's one thing to *make* noise, and another thing entirely to *tame* it | 22:36 |
| stickster | mchua: To varying extents, yes | 22:36 |
| * mchua looks for #fedora tweets | 22:36 | |
| themayor | we cant attempt to tame anything unless we can start getting the data though first | 22:36 |
| themayor | because otherwise we are walkin the dark right? | 22:36 |
| stickster | My point exactly. | 22:37 |
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| pjones | fedora developers, at least, twitter a lot. but usually not about fedora. | 22:37 |
| mchua | interesting. http://search.twitter.com/search.atom?q=fedora | 22:37 |
| themayor | well its not only fedora developers we want to be watching, in fact its probably more the users | 22:37 |
| themayor | but it could be no one does because we just havent touted it enough | 22:38 |
| mchua | also http://search.twitter.com/search.atom?q=%23fedora | 22:38 |
| mchua | (the latter is more useful; #fedora vs fedora) | 22:38 |
| stickster | pjones: burritos! | 22:39 |
| themayor | nice | 22:39 |
| moixs | ...and what are we going to do with these "twits"? | 22:39 |
| themayor | idk, but how about this, lets move this whole discussion to the list | 22:40 |
| pjones | stickster: hrm? | 22:40 |
| moixs | I mean, is it useful in the end? | 22:40 |
| themayor | because we are already late on time | 22:40 |
| themayor | knowing what people are thinking is always useful | 22:40 |
| themayor | especially if you are a marketing project, right? | 22:40 |
| moixs | :p | 22:40 |
| themayor | anyway, we will talk about it on the list | 22:40 |
| moixs | then go on forums, why give Twitter so much credit ;) | 22:41 |
| stickster | pjones: re: Fedora people tweeting about things non-Fedora. Burritos are popular. Especially for ninjas named jeremy | 22:41 |
| pjones | heh | 22:41 |
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| stickster | moixs: Two different purposes. | 22:41 |
| themayor | this is all part of talk of stuff happening post release anyway and what we decide to do with a fedora magazine | 22:41 |
| stickster | moixs: What I was proposing is that capturing incoming information might be useful in a different way from the two-way engagement that you get in a forum. | 22:41 |
| stickster | They're both useful, but one is passive and the other one active. | 22:42 |
| moixs | Oh I'm not against it, I'm just over-pragmatic (and defeatist) some times. | 22:42 |
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| themayor | anyway | 22:43 |
| themayor | lets wait to talk about this until after release | 22:43 |
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| themayor | im going to propose some pretty radical changes | 22:43 |
| themayor | so we can incorporate these ideas into it | 22:43 |
| moixs | If that's not teasing :p | 22:45 |
| themayor | lol | 22:45 |
| themayor | youll see | 22:45 |
| themayor | its just loose ideas | 22:45 |
| themayor | post release i will put it up on the wiki, mail the list and solicit ideas | 22:45 |
| themayor | it will be something we build together | 22:45 |
| themayor | my point is just lets focus on the task at hand rather than get carried away in future looking stuff | 22:46 |
| themayor | there will be time for that, i swear ;) | 22:46 |
| moixs | <fear>Your loose ideas already lead to the marketing restructuration :p </fear> | 22:46 |
| themayor | lolol | 22:46 |
| moixs | But yes, i agree | 22:46 |
| themayor | anyway on to next week | 22:47 |
| themayor | on release day | 22:47 |
| themayor | please, please be on irc all day long | 22:47 |
| themayor | there will be alot of press | 22:47 |
| themayor | we need to be tracking it and adding it to press archive | 22:47 |
| themayor | also, be around on forums in your native tongue and make sure to engage people | 22:48 |
| moixs | Do you see any particular point we should be prepared to respond to? Because I see one...the proprietary ATI drivers. There wil lbe endless questions and trolls about them. | 22:48 |
| themayor | but please, for the sake of all that is good, do it without flaming people | 22:49 |
| themayor | lets be professional about it | 22:49 |
| moixs | sure, that's a big challenge | 22:49 |
| themayor | moixs: we should be responding to anything worthy of responding | 22:49 |
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| mchua | themayor: "tracking it and adding it to press archive" = del.icio.us with 'f11' tag, tweet #f11, edit http://url-of-wikipage? | 22:49 |
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| mchua | (quoth the n00b) | 22:49 |
| themayor | yeah sounds good to me | 22:49 |
| themayor | mchua: thumbs up | 22:50 |
| themayor | i will mail the list instructions about that tonight | 22:50 |
| moixs | Are you guys just aware of the ATI problem? Sorry to sress that but it will show up. | 22:50 |
| themayor | moixs: which ati problem? | 22:51 |
| moixs | There will be no 3D acceleration available in F11 on ATI cards until the Catalyst 9.6 will come out, in 2-3 weeks. | 22:52 |
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| moixs | Ok, these things are provided by rpmfusion | 22:52 |
| moixs | but people will cry if they can't have 3D | 22:52 |
| stickster | moixs: This seems like quite a repeat from our F9 release. | 22:53 |
| moixs | (and we can't just tell people to fuck off, that Fedora only provides an open driver) | 22:53 |
| themayor | yeah | 22:53 |
| moixs | stickster: exactly | 22:53 |
| stickster | We can use the same answer there that we used for F9. | 22:53 |
| moixs | yep, just be prepared to it :p | 22:53 |
| stickster | Fedora does not delay its releases to accommodate makers of non-FLOSS software | 22:53 |
| stickster | And: | 22:54 |
| themayor | so just tell people ^^, yeah what paul said | 22:54 |
| moixs | yes yes, we just need to get the message out | 22:54 |
| stickster | We encourage the driver providers to engage more fully with the open source community so we can work with them to provide a better solution for the millions of FLOSS users who buy their hardware :-) | 22:54 |
| moixs | Not to end up with a "Fedora is crap, THEY don't provide 3D support" | 22:54 |
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| * stickster thinks that maybe moixs should check with mether regarding any FAQ or summary doc for this release | 22:55 | |
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| moixs | (me added it to his todo list | 22:56 |
| themayor | okay so thats basically on release day | 22:58 |
| themayor | everyone knows what their spot is | 22:58 |
| themayor | stickster: what are your plans for release day | 22:59 |
| mether | stickster: i havent followed the meeting here. what is this about? | 22:59 |
| moixs | I'll respond via PM | 22:59 |
| themayor | stickster seems to have gone afk | 23:00 |
| themayor | post release day is the next topic | 23:00 |
| themayor | so real quick | 23:01 |
| themayor | i want to about one week after release compile a list of stats about our activities and what went on in the press the last few weeks | 23:01 |
| themayor | and deliver that | 23:01 |
| themayor | just to show people what we have done | 23:01 |
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| themayor | this will include press archive and any other activities we have | 23:02 |
| themayor | at that point we need to focus on picture book again | 23:02 |
| themayor | we are already more than hour, does anyone have anything to add? | 23:04 |
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| themayor | i guess not | 23:05 |
| themayor | lets call it a day | 23:05 |