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| quaid | <meeting id="Websites weekly"> | 13:01 |
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| quaid | anyone around besides us usual suspects? | 13:01 |
| quaid | roll call | 13:01 |
| * quaid has a feeling about this ... | 13:02 | |
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| * ianweller clocks in | 13:04 | |
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| quaid | ok, I'm moving back to my office, I'll be afk for a moment | 13:05 |
| ianweller | ok. | 13:05 |
| quaid | then I've got edits on Websites/Tasks | 13:05 |
| * ianweller sits in the meeting room, alooooooone | 13:05 | |
| quaid | if nothing is going on, I'll just do improvements there :) | 13:05 |
| quaid | ianweller: did you catch the chat Mike and I had about MediaWiki (lack of) URL rewrites? | 13:06 |
| quaid | that the URL stays the same after a #REDIRECT, which is confusing | 13:06 |
| quaid | mike checked in #mediawiki and it sounds as if it's not built in | 13:06 |
| quaid | so maybe we want to consider a plugin? | 13:06 |
| ianweller | yeah that's how mediawiki works, for some reason. | 13:07 |
| ianweller | it's in internal redirect, but the url stays the same. | 13:07 |
| * ianweller hates having to use multiple plugins for random things, but if it's something we need vitally, it can be done, i'm sure | 13:07 | |
| * quaid is back | 13:10 | |
| ianweller | is it just us? | 13:11 |
| quaid | maybe we can find out why it's that way | 13:11 |
| quaid | hmm, just us | 13:12 |
| quaid | I presumed I wasn't the only one who found it confusing when the page redirected but showed the old URL | 13:12 |
| ianweller | *theoretically* something could be written that throws a header('Redirect: blah') thing. | 13:12 |
| quaid | I reckon it happens on wikipedia? | 13:12 |
| ianweller | yeah that's semi-annoying | 13:12 |
| ianweller | yes it does. | 13:13 |
| ianweller | it might be to cut down on actual HTTP requests | 13:13 |
| ianweller | *however* one might be able to do a RewriteMap. | 13:14 |
| ianweller | with a php script that accesses the DB, and if there is a need for a redirect, it returns the proper URL | 13:14 |
| quaid | can you find out why MW proper does it the default way? | 13:16 |
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| quaid | maybe it's just a patch we offer | 13:16 |
| ianweller | i know that MW will send a http redirect if there's not underscores in the article name where spaces are supposed to be. | 13:17 |
| quaid | hmm | 13:17 |
| quaid | ServerTestPage is the one that got me started this morning | 13:17 |
| ianweller | gah, DNS is slow here | 13:17 |
| ianweller | quaid: yeah. that one always bothers me | 13:17 |
| ianweller | http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Redirect#Why_do_redirects_duplicate_pages_rather_than_using_HTTP_3xx_codes.3F | 13:18 |
| * ricky must go for a while. | 13:18 | |
| ianweller | i have no clue what Patrick is saying | 13:18 |
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| ianweller | ricky: ok bye | 13:18 |
| quaid | hmm | 13:19 |
| quaid | does he mean the text _before_ the #REDIRECT,which, iirc, shows up on the page before the redirect occurs? | 13:19 |
| * ianweller tests. | 13:19 | |
| ianweller | that makes no sense, fyi | 13:20 |
| ianweller | to me | 13:20 |
| ianweller | if that does occur i don't think it should ;) | 13:20 |
| quaid | just trying to figure out what he is preserving | 13:20 |
| ianweller | i would assume nothing is actually being preserved, or would need to be preserved | 13:21 |
| ianweller | User:Ianweller/redirect_test doesn't work | 13:21 |
| quaid | oh right | 13:22 |
| quaid | if you put text after, it's preserved | 13:22 |
| quaid | but not displayed | 13:22 |
| quaid | maybe that is the goal? | 13:22 |
| * ianweller tests. | 13:22 | |
| ianweller | now that's weir.d | 13:22 |
| ianweller | so there doesn't appear to be any reason to not send a 3xx code | 13:23 |
| ianweller | i mean, i wouldn't say "moved permanantly", but... something that says "hai i'm over here." | 13:23 |
| quaid | do you think it's the text after the redirect call that Patrick is referring to? | 13:23 |
| ianweller | in all truth, i have no clue what patrick is referring to | 13:24 |
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| quaid | well, I _could_ see the preservation of something after redirect as useful | 13:25 |
| quaid | but just having the MW link with "redirect=no" appear on the page is helpful | 13:25 |
| ianweller | well, yeah, i guess that's the issue | 13:26 |
| ianweller | if you 302 it it won't display the (redirected from Whatever) thing | 13:26 |
| quaid | ah! | 13:26 |
| ianweller | so if we write a patch to make it 302 but *still* display the redirection notice, we'd be in business. | 13:27 |
| quaid | ooh, yeah | 13:27 |
| ianweller | possibly using the Referer: header | 13:27 |
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| quaid | ok, so about this meeting ... | 13:28 |
| quaid | I reckon this is it; I'll get this on the task list, which I'm tablizing | 13:28 |
| quaid | but no one feel they need to stick around for this :) | 13:29 |
| * ianweller doesn't have anything on there, iirc | 13:29 | |
| * ianweller searches the mediawiki bugzilla for this | 13:30 | |
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| ianweller | i saw nothing in bz. | 13:38 |
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| quaid | odd | 13:39 |
| quaid | it is weird to me when some tool doesn't do something that seems like the basics of infosec or info assurance, and no one else thought of it before little ol' me | 13:40 |
| ianweller | did you ask anyone in irc about it? | 13:40 |
| quaid | mmcgrath asked on #mediawiki | 13:41 |
| ianweller | what was the answer again? | 13:41 |
| ianweller | GAAHHHHHHH why does dns suck at the library today | 13:41 |
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| quaid | 09:36 < mmcgrath> quaid: ok, so it seems according to someone in #mediawiki there's no native way to do that. I'd like to talk to ianweller_afk and see what he thinks. There might be come clever tool or something we could use that I don't know about. | 13:42 |
| quaid | that was it | 13:43 |
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| ianweller | oh. ok. | 13:44 |
| ianweller | well maybe it's a good idea to open a bug on their bz | 13:44 |
| ianweller | of course, thta would mean we'd have to get rid of ACLs fast and upgrade our mediawiki setup ;) | 13:44 |
| ianweller | that's the path i'd take, at least. your thoughts? | 13:44 |
| quaid | that sounds like a good idea | 13:45 |
| quaid | we can always work the fix in a test instance | 13:45 |
| quaid | as for upgrading the WM and ACLs ... | 13:45 |
| ianweller | heh. | 13:45 |
| ianweller | a different story | 13:45 |
| quaid | I need to extract Spot's needs and see if we can get those met | 13:45 |
| quaid | he sort of wants (cake + eat it) | 13:45 |
| spot | no, not really | 13:45 |
| spot | i sort of want "don't make my life suck more" | 13:46 |
| ianweller | can you do it with a second mediawiki instance? | 13:46 |
| ianweller | say, at fp.o/packaging | 13:46 |
| ianweller | with only a certain group in FAS having editing ability? | 13:46 |
| * ianweller wonders if that's implementable | 13:46 | |
| spot | ianweller: sure. that would be fine. | 13:46 |
| ianweller | mmcgrath: does that sound like a sane thing to do? ^^^^^ | 13:47 |
| ianweller | spot: it's just packaging and legal, right? | 13:47 |
| ianweller | i haven't seen the ACL list lately | 13:47 |
| spot | thats all I need ACLs on... | 13:47 |
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| quaid | Websites/Tasks updated | 13:48 |
| quaid | spot: sorry, that didn't come out right | 13:48 |
| quaid | :) | 13:48 |
| ianweller | quaid: thanks for updating tasks | 13:48 |
| quaid | the only other idea I had almost but not quite works | 13:48 |
| ianweller | oh goody, i was assigned something! | 13:49 |
| quaid | which was to remove the ACLS and move the canonical, then use the wiki as 'source' | 13:49 |
| quaid | but that leaves the source editable by anyone. | 13:49 |
| quaid | the key was to not break the packaging team and spot's workflow in using the wiki to collaborate | 13:49 |
| spot | i bet you can guess what i think about that one... ;) | 13:49 |
| quaid | to be honest, any good CMS should be a _better_ editing solution | 13:49 |
| spot | quaid: i need some sort of simple web editing tool to make changes to the ACL restricted data | 13:50 |
| quaid | spot: +1 | 13:50 |
| spot | it doesn't need to be what we have now, or even understand the old wiki format | 13:50 |
| ianweller | spot: how much do you like mediawiki's syntax, in comparison to, oh, trac | 13:50 |
| ianweller | or HTML | 13:50 |
| quaid | spot: a CMS by it's nature is ACL'd, and our "must" list includes "wysiwyg editor" | 13:50 |
| quaid | or as-good-as | 13:51 |
| ianweller | oh well never mind then :P | 13:51 |
| spot | quaid: then it sounds like you should have my needs covered when you get the CMS up. :) | 13:51 |
| quaid | cool :) | 13:51 |
| ianweller | what's the time table on that again? | 13:51 |
| quaid | I'll make sure you all get to see the test | 13:51 |
| ianweller | pre-F10? | 13:51 |
| quaid | ianweller: yesterday! | 13:51 |
| spot | i just dont want to have to learn something like, say, docbook. | 13:51 |
| quaid | ianweller: just for docs.fp.o | 13:51 |
| quaid | spot: oh lord no | 13:51 |
| ianweller | :-o | 13:51 |
| * ianweller spits on the library's DNS | 13:51 | |
| quaid | spot: I _do_ think it is time to write a Fedora Packaging Guide, but the source can continue to be wiki-based, as we do for the release notes and many other guides | 13:52 |
| quaid | ianweller: someone tunneling YouTube.com:80 over DNS port? | 13:52 |
| ianweller | apparently | 13:52 |
| * spot goes back to licensing fixes | 13:52 | |
| ianweller | or, the tech people are just being dumb. | 13:52 |
| quaid | thx spot | 13:52 |
| ianweller | quaid: what do you mean by yesterday, it already happened, or it should have been done yesterdeay ;) | 13:53 |
| ianweller | ack spelling | 13:53 |
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| quaid | ok, so I'm going to officially call a close to this not-quite-a-meeting that actually accomplished stuff :) | 13:53 |
| * stickster laughs | 13:53 | |
| quaid | ianweller: just that I put an aggressive schedule on it, so it's already "behind" :) | 13:53 |
| ianweller | ok. | 13:53 |
| ianweller | well, that's why i don't put aggressive schedules on things ;) | 13:53 |
| quaid | but that was on purpose, room to slip, keep the heat on, etc. | 13:53 |
| ianweller | not yet, at least | 13:53 |
| stickster | For a Perl expert like Spot, DocBook would be like reading "See Jimmy Run" | 13:53 |
| LyosNorezel | ianweller: you could 'fix' it for them ;-) | 13:53 |
| quaid | setup your own DHCP + DNS server and compete? | 13:54 |
| spot | stickster: there are so many languages in my brain already, one more might cause me to lose something useful... like say, bowel control. | 13:54 |
| stickster | spot: eeew. | 13:54 |
| quaid | $brain . o O { Perl, XML, whoops, lost something ... ewww } | 13:55 |
| LyosNorezel | ROFLMFAO | 13:55 |
| quaid | ok, closing so I have something to send | 13:55 |
| quaid | no mas? | 13:56 |
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| quaid | </meeting> | 13:56 |
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