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| quaid | <meeting id="Websites"> | 15:04 |
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| * ianweller picks up the phone . o O (next meeting? where are youuuuuu) | 15:04 | |
| ianweller | also, i'm here | 15:04 |
| -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Websites team meeting :: begin | 15:04 | |
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| * quaid is here, too | 15:04 | |
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| * ricky | 15:06 | |
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| ianweller | this is starting to look a lot like last week's websites meeting | 15:06 |
| * quaid looks at ... | 15:06 | |
| quaid | Websites/Tasks | 15:06 |
| quaid | yeah, I vote for the perpetual meeting | 15:07 |
| ricky | Same | 15:07 |
| quaid | from 2000 to 2300 UTC | 15:07 |
| quaid | just takeover and go slooooow | 15:07 |
| ricky | Hehe | 15:07 |
| ylynfatt | quaid: I haven't done anything else yet on the fp.o/contact since my last message to the mailing list but the link to the preview is as follows: http://ylynfatt.fedorapeople.org/contact.html | 15:07 |
| quaid | ricky: it is nice having a weekly nag session, uh, I mean, reminders to get on a task I may hve forgotten about. | 15:08 |
| ylynfatt | I suppose that's my progress update. | 15:08 |
| ricky | Looks goouLooks good | 15:08 |
| ricky | Um, whoops :-) | 15:08 |
| ianweller | um | 15:09 |
| ianweller | for the one task taht i do own, i just created the ticket for it on fedora-infrastructure | 15:09 |
| ianweller | like i was supposed to do last week. (oops) | 15:09 |
| ricky | Any further comments on the contact page? | 15:09 |
| ricky | If that's good and done, we can look at getting that updated after the meeting | 15:10 |
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| ricky | Hey, giarc | 15:10 |
| giarc | hey ricky | 15:10 |
| quaid | one comment on the contact page | 15:10 |
| * ianweller high fives giarc for no particular reason | 15:11 | |
| quaid | can we crop off the bottom of the Apache Test Page screenshot? | 15:11 |
| ylynfatt | quaid: you mean all that whitespace? | 15:11 |
| ricky | Yeah, we can definitely save that sapce | 15:11 |
| ricky | **space | 15:11 |
| * giarc high five ianweller for being ianweller | 15:11 | |
| ianweller | \o/ | 15:11 |
| quaid | ylynfatt: most of it, I guess | 15:11 |
| giarc | s/five/fives | 15:11 |
| ylynfatt | sure, umm...when I get home I'll try make the adjustment | 15:12 |
| quaid | ylynfatt: I scrolled and stopped, thinking that was the end of the contact page | 15:12 |
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| ylynfatt | quaid: hehe okay | 15:12 |
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| ricky | ylynfatt: Is that a plain HTML page, or was it generated from a genshi template? | 15:12 |
| ylynfatt | ricky: that was just a plane HTML page | 15:12 |
| ylynfatt | ricky: but I do have the genshi template on my home pc. | 15:12 |
| quaid | ylynfatt: oh, also, the link to the server teste page on the wiki is now http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server_Test_Page, save a redirect :) | 15:13 |
| ricky | Ah, cool - whenever you can get ahold of that, ping me and we can get it pushed | 15:13 |
| ylynfatt | ricky: sure no prob. | 15:13 |
| ylynfatt | quaid: thanks | 15:13 |
| ricky | Are there any other contact groups that we can think of to add there? | 15:13 |
| * quaid plays secretary with the task list | 15:14 | |
| ylynfatt | ricky: maybe the Documentation group? | 15:14 |
| ricky | Hmm, could adding the docs group confuse people looking for support? | 15:15 |
| ricky | quaid: We can probably remove the docs.fp.o one :-) | 15:16 |
| ricky | All right, no update on the infrastructure stuff from me yet. I'll hopefully be working more on improving the web building process soon | 15:17 |
| quaid | how about ... | 15:17 |
| quaid | user accounts? infrastructure issues? | 15:17 |
| quaid | or do we filter that through webmaster@? | 15:17 |
| ricky | Good call, those would go to admin@fedoraproject.org | 15:17 |
| quaid | k | 15:17 |
| ricky | (accounts@fp.o goes to the same place as admin@) | 15:17 |
| ricky | Perhaps press@fp.o as well. | 15:19 |
| ylynfatt | so add something for user accounts/infrastructure? and press as well? | 15:19 |
| quaid | ooh, press, yes | 15:19 |
| ricky | Yup | 15:19 |
| ylynfatt | oki doki | 15:19 |
| ricky | Thanks for working on this! | 15:20 |
| ricky | kanarip: ping (any update on spins.fp.o?) | 15:20 |
| ylynfatt | ricky: no problem. It's the least I could do. | 15:20 |
| quaid | ylynfatt: I have a few small grammatical bits on that page; I can write them up for the current version, you can merge what makes sense in to the document | 15:20 |
| ylynfatt | quaid: sure, no prob. | 15:21 |
| * quaid notes more style than grammatical, but whatever; small stuff | 15:21 | |
| quaid | let's see now ... | 15:21 |
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| quaid | no jonrob around today that I see | 15:22 |
| kanarip | ricky, no volunteers on the list so i guess i'm going to figure out how to edit images myself | 15:22 |
| quaid | kanarip: stall on spins wireframe? | 15:22 |
| kanarip | so far, yes | 15:22 |
| ricky | kanarip: Perhaps it would be a good idea to start work on the backend first | 15:23 |
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| kanarip | i have no time to work on a backend but i see your point | 15:23 |
| ricky | Yeah. It's a pretty big project | 15:24 |
| quaid | is there any way | 15:24 |
| quaid | we can break it down to easier-to-digest | 15:24 |
| quaid | ... somethings ... | 15:25 |
| quaid | not knowing who was supposed to program it in the first place ... | 15:25 |
| kanarip | no-one knew who was supposed to program it i guess | 15:26 |
| quaid | well, that may not be as much of a problem as we think, on the face of it | 15:26 |
| quaid | if we can find a way to enable people to contribute in quick, meaningful ways | 15:26 |
| ylynfatt | I'm a bit out of the loop but what's required for the backend of spins site? | 15:26 |
| * ricky isn't 100% sure about what the technical requirements are at the moment | 15:27 | |
| * kanarip still has to merge a server-client-devel branch of revisor | 15:27 | |
| quaid | http://mihmo.livejournal.com/58599.html | 15:28 |
| quaid | that is the sitemap | 15:28 |
| quaid | but what does it do? | 15:28 |
| * ricky doesn't know where to start :-) | 15:28 | |
| ricky | I guess it takes a kickstart file (or provides a means to generate one) | 15:28 |
| kanarip | it sketches utopia://spins.fedoraproject.org | 15:28 |
| quaid | heh | 15:29 |
| ricky | Then then builds a spin, allowing the author to attach metadata to it | 15:29 |
| ricky | s/then/it | 15:29 |
| quaid | ERR: protocol "utopia" unknown | 15:29 |
| kanarip | quaid, i rest my case ;-) | 15:29 |
| * ricky isn't sure how practical the "building the spin" part would be for infrastructure. | 15:29 | |
| giarc | it's supposed to build the spin on the fly? | 15:30 |
| quaid | build, host, social tagging and karma, my view, the works | 15:30 |
| kanarip | yes, that too | 15:30 |
| ricky | kanarip: How realistic do you think the spin-building is on a large scale? | 15:31 |
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| * ricky has no idea how intensive these things are | 15:31 | |
| kanarip | builds knock down 100% CPU in ~4% of the build time of about .5-1 hour | 15:32 |
| ricky | Yow | 15:32 |
| kanarip | memory footprint shouldn't go over 500-700MB for a huge transaction | 15:32 |
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| kanarip | ricky, it's just a huge yum thing and then a squashfs thing basically | 15:33 |
| ricky | Ah. | 15:33 |
| ricky | So perhaps we should talk to infrastructure a bit and make sure that the goals are realistic | 15:33 |
| kanarip | well!!... | 15:34 |
| kanarip | if anything, i'd just like /a/ build host | 15:34 |
| kanarip | then i can do hub vs. builder stuff just by using localhost as well | 15:35 |
| ricky | mmcgrath: Are you around to talk about spins.fp.o goals right now? | 15:35 |
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| kanarip | just /a/ build host helps out on more then just this end as well | 15:36 |
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| mmcgrath | ricky: I am, but only for a bit. whats up? | 15:37 |
| * mmcgrath has dinner guests coming over soon | 15:37 | |
| ricky | So right now, it looks like the goal for spins.fp.o is let people build their own spins - is this feasible for us to run? | 15:37 |
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| ricky | kanarip knows more about the technical needs | 15:38 |
| mmcgrath | well, spins isn't part of a buildsystem, its part of distribution. | 15:38 |
| mmcgrath | There has been talks, a couple of times, about having a spins build system but I'm not aware of its status or anything | 15:38 |
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| kanarip | do we really, really have to get everyone involved before there is even a show-case? | 15:39 |
| quaid | perhaps interested people | 15:40 |
| ricky | I just want to make sure that we don't create something that can't be run anywhere | 15:40 |
| quaid | can request a publictest instance and give it a start? | 15:40 |
| kanarip | quaid, potential contributors to this specific goal, yes | 15:40 |
| quaid | ricky: it would help, then, to create it by actually running it _somewhere_ to start :) | 15:40 |
| quaid | kanarip: right, specific goal | 15:40 |
| kanarip | ricky, if nothing else, i'll host it | 15:40 |
| ricky | I can try and get a publictest up if we have anybody interested in working on it | 15:40 |
| ricky | kanarip: OK, I'm not afraid of that problem anymore, then :-) | 15:41 |
| kanarip | i just do not have anything to show to anyone wrt. a build system for spins other then the work loupgaroublond has done on server-client-devel, that still has to be merged with master | 15:41 |
| quaid | with this group of ppl here | 15:42 |
| loupgaroublond | i see my name here... | 15:42 |
| quaid | can we get a server up, building, with a basic web UI to take a KS and spit out an ISO? | 15:42 |
| quaid | grey screen, upload text box, that's ti :) | 15:42 |
| ricky | Sounds like a good goal to begin with | 15:42 |
| quaid | it looks to be a central part of the workflow, anyway, and the part that needs more robustiness | 15:43 |
| * quaid trying for a Colbert-like neologism | 15:43 | |
| kanarip | i'm not setting that goal for myself because if i do i'm also getting fired | 15:44 |
| ricky | Heh | 15:44 |
| quaid | kanarip: back to the programming question ... | 15:44 |
| loupgaroublond | IIRC we nearly had it doing that via client-server | 15:44 |
| kanarip | loupgaroublond, yes, that has to be merged back to master | 15:45 |
| loupgaroublond | ah, check | 15:45 |
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| kanarip | i can do that if needed, clean conflicts up a little, make it work for rawhide a little | 15:45 |
| quaid | and who can build out the publictest box? | 15:46 |
| * ricky can get a publictest built, but may not be able to dedicate much time to actually writing the spins app | 15:47 | |
| * quaid can only update the task list with whatever we decide here | 15:48 | |
| ricky | OK, so the main challenge is to find people interested in working on this kind of project | 15:49 |
| ricky | How do we want to go about finding people? :-) | 15:49 |
| quaid | one thing is doing as much as you can, talking about it | 15:52 |
| quaid | to draw interest | 15:52 |
| quaid | e.g. the wireframes, etc. | 15:52 |
| quaid | in this case ... | 15:52 |
| ricky | The question that comes to mind is: Who wants this? | 15:53 |
| kanarip | rumors tell me red hat is interested | 15:55 |
| * quaid has no clue | 15:55 | |
| kanarip | loupgaroublond, i decided to push master => server-client-devel instead of pulling it into master | 15:56 |
| quaid | ok, we're getting close to the hour mark | 15:56 |
| quaid | any comments on the other tasks? | 15:57 |
| quaid | CMS ... | 15:57 |
| ricky | Any update on CMS? | 15:57 |
| quaid | I am working on higher level project management stuff to enable everyone | 15:57 |
| quaid | then I've got ... about 7 to 10 days at the end of this month that I'm hoping is enough to get through testing some CMSes | 15:57 |
| quaid | do the manic, last minute thing :) | 15:57 |
| ricky | Heh | 15:58 |
| * ricky knows that feeling well... with essays. | 15:58 | |
| quaid | oh, yeah | 15:58 |
| quaid | "that's when I'm at my best!" | 15:58 |
| quaid | get-fedora ... | 15:58 |
| quaid | that has been a good discussion, I think mizmo has the lead in the UI argument | 15:59 |
| ricky | I'll try try to dig up the latest revision and talk to mizmo about it/try to polish it a bit | 15:59 |
| quaid | ricky: do you want to take on that task and roll all the various situtations up? | 15:59 |
| quaid | heh, there ya'r | 15:59 |
| ricky | Any help/javascript expertise would be appreciated :-) | 15:59 |
| * quaid wants to use a similar JS UI for Join stuff ... | 16:00 | |
| quaid | ok, anything more? | 16:00 |
| quaid | we don't have to close, but it's the traditional hour :) | 16:00 |
| ricky | Sounds good | 16:00 |
| ricky | Thanks for coming, everybody! | 16:00 |
| quaid | rock on | 16:01 |
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| quaid | </meeting> | 16:01 |
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