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Attendees
People Present (lines said):
- Adam Williamson - adamw (123)
- Will Woods - wwoods (47)
- Kamil Paral - kparal (29)
- Mark McLoughlin - markmc (26)
- David Pravec - dpravec (25)
- Jesse Keating - Oxf13 (16)
- Sebastian Dziallas - sdziallas (10)
- John Poelstra - poelcat (9)
- Toshio Kuratomi - abadger1999 (6)
- Kevin Fenzi - nirik (2)
Regrets:
- James Laska (jlaska)
Agenda
Upcoming QA events
- 2009-09-01 - BugZappers/Meetings
- 2009-09-18 - Fedora 12 Snapshot #3 release
- 2009-09-18 - Beta Blocker Bug Day #2
- 2009-09-24 - Xfce Test Day
Action items
IRC transcript
| adamw | #startmeeting QA meeting | Sep 14 09:00 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Mon Sep 14 16:00:05 2009 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | Sep 14 09:00 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | Sep 14 09:00 |
| ---zodbot has changed the topic to: (Meeting topic: QA meeting) | Sep 14 09:00 | |
| *dpravec is here :) | Sep 14 09:00 | |
| adamw | #topic gathering bodies | Sep 14 09:00 |
| ---zodbot has changed the topic to: gathering bodies (Meeting topic: QA meeting) | Sep 14 09:00 | |
| adamw | alright, which unfortunates have I snared in my nets? | Sep 14 09:00 |
| *kparal is caught in the net | Sep 14 09:00 | |
| adamw | wwoods: kparal: oxf13: ping | Sep 14 09:01 |
| adamw | hi, kamil | Sep 14 09:01 |
| *wwoods appears in a puff of smoke | Sep 14 09:01 | |
| adamw | alrighty | Sep 14 09:01 |
| adamw | #topic previous meeting followup | Sep 14 09:02 |
| ---zodbot has changed the topic to: previous meeting followup (Meeting topic: QA meeting) | Sep 14 09:02 | |
| adamw | so for anyone who has only vague, possibly hallucinatory memories of our last meeting, there's a wrap-up at QA/Meetings/20090831 | Sep 14 09:02 |
| adamw | for a quick item, the test-announce list is up and running and being used appropriately, so that's great, thanks again to dpravec for the idea | Sep 14 09:03 |
| adamw | aside from that, there was one topic i definitely wanted to cover | Sep 14 09:03 |
| adamw | #topic followup - zsync | Sep 14 09:03 |
| ---zodbot has changed the topic to: followup - zsync (Meeting topic: QA meeting) | Sep 14 09:03 | |
| kparal | that's my topic, alright | Sep 14 09:04 |
| adamw | kparal: you were going to investigate the possibility of using zsync to reduce daily Rawhide image download sizes | Sep 14 09:04 |
| kparal | i have written a blog: http://kparal.wordpress.com/2009/09/01/zsync-transfer-large-files-efficiently/ | Sep 14 09:04 |
| adamw | i think most of us probably saw your blog on the topic, but could you summarize? | Sep 14 09:04 |
| adamw | :) | Sep 14 09:04 |
| kparal | roughly about 40% of bandwidth can be saved by using zsync | Sep 14 09:04 |
| wwoods | kparal: awesome post - thanks for getting some hard data | Sep 14 09:04 |
| kparal | measured on Fedora nightly images | Sep 14 09:04 |
| adamw | #link http://kparal.wordpress.com/2009/09/01/zsync-transfer-large-files-efficiently/ | Sep 14 09:05 |
| adamw | (for the logs) | Sep 14 09:05 |
| kparal | but I have talked to nirik and he said: | Sep 14 09:05 |
| kparal | (16:59:19) nirik: kparal: we cannot use it until it's in fedora/epel. | Sep 14 09:05 |
| kparal | (16:59:36) nirik: we don't use any non fedora/epel software if at all possible. | Sep 14 09:05 |
| kparal | (17:02:27) nirik: kparal: ok. I had hoped the review request would have moved along somehow, but I don't think it has. ;( | Sep 14 09:05 |
| adamw | i believe there's a problem involving a variant version of libz, right? | Sep 14 09:05 |
| kparal | therefore although it would be interesting to use it, it seems that current policy is against it | Sep 14 09:06 |
| kparal | yes, they use a forked library | Sep 14 09:06 |
| kparal | same as rsync | Sep 14 09:06 |
| adamw | what's the URL for the review request? | Sep 14 09:06 |
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| *kparal looking | Sep 14 09:06 | |
| kparal | https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/134 | Sep 14 09:06 |
| kparal | i believe that's it | Sep 14 09:07 |
| adamw | #link https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/134 | Sep 14 09:07 |
| kparal | "zsync may not ship an embedded zlib " | Sep 14 09:07 |
| Oxf13 | adamw: I'm here. | Sep 14 09:07 |
| adamw | there was: "Simo said that getting rsync/zlib into shape to use the system zlib and not break the on-wire format should not be hard." | Sep 14 09:07 |
| Oxf13 | sorry, I overslept | Sep 14 09:07 |
| adamw | hi, oxf13 | Sep 14 09:07 |
| adamw | so if we're still interested in doing this, that looks like the avenue to follow up | Sep 14 09:08 |
| adamw | are you aware of any technical problems with that, kparal? do you know if anyone's looking into it? | Sep 14 09:08 |
| kparal | no, i haven't looked at it, i don't know | Sep 14 09:08 |
| kparal | nirik could have more information though | Sep 14 09:09 |
| *nirik looks up. | Sep 14 09:09 | |
| adamw | if you're still willing to push this further, that looks like the next avenue to go down :) | Sep 14 09:09 |
| abadger1999 | So, unless more has happened since I last checked, no one's contacted upstream rsync to see if they'll maintain a split out libz. | Sep 14 09:09 |
| nirik | yeah, I think it was waiting for the packager(s) to talk with upstream for zsync and zlib and try and work something out. | Sep 14 09:09 |
| abadger1999 | adamw: Also, notting later corrected that it was someone other than simo (the package maintainer) who said it wouldn't be hard to make rsync use the standard zlib. | Sep 14 09:10 |
| kparal | adamw: i think i will leave this task to more appropriate people, but i'm certainly interested in updates | Sep 14 09:10 |
| adamw | it sounds to me like there may be a motivation gap here | Sep 14 09:10 |
| adamw | is rsync still shipping a built-in zlib, at this point? is anyone specifically tasked with dealing with that? | Sep 14 09:11 |
| abadger1999 | My observation as well. | Sep 14 09:11 |
| abadger1999 | Nope and I don't think it will be without it blocking something. | Sep 14 09:12 |
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| adamw | hmm. that makes this somewhat more complicated. my inclination would be to try and get a discussion going with all stakeholders, or on -devel-list. any other ideas? | Sep 14 09:13 |
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| adamw | if not, i'll take an action item to follow up with you guys by email and see if we can come up with a strategy | Sep 14 09:14 |
| kparal | on my blog Simon Wesp writes he tried to include zsync to fedora (User:Cassmodiah). he could be also interested if we contact him | Sep 14 09:14 |
| abadger1999 | There's two ways forward -- either the forked zlib comes out into its own package or rsync/zsync figures out how to use the standard zlib. | Sep 14 09:14 |
| adamw | yes, that's https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=490140 | Sep 14 09:14 |
| buggbot | Bug 490140: medium, medium, ---, redhat-bugzilla, ASSIGNED, Review Request: zsync - Client-side implementation of the rsync algorithm | Sep 14 09:14 |
| adamw | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=490140 | Sep 14 09:14 |
| buggbot | Bug 490140: medium, medium, ---, redhat-bugzilla, ASSIGNED, Review Request: zsync - Client-side implementation of the rsync algorithm | Sep 14 09:14 |
| adamw | abadger1999: yes, what i'm interested in is how we get someone to actually start moving forward on one of those fronts :) | Sep 14 09:14 |
| abadger1999 | who's going to do the work for either of those is the question. | Sep 14 09:15 |
| adamw | right. looks like we agree on the situation, we just need to figure out how to address it. ok. let's follow up on that after the meeting. | Sep 14 09:15 |
| adamw | aside from that, on the larger topic, i did have one more question | Sep 14 09:15 |
| adamw | assuming we got zsync in place and everything, how would we do it exactly? we've established we can save a decent amount of space between any two reasonably close images, but has anyone considered the most efficient system for providing particular deltas? | Sep 14 09:16 |
| adamw | things would get out of hand rather fast from a storage / organization perspective if we tried to provide deltas from every image to every later image... | Sep 14 09:16 |
| kparal | this is not about providing deltas | Sep 14 09:16 |
| kparal | the zsync file is generated only from the source file | Sep 14 09:16 |
| kparal | nothing more | Sep 14 09:16 |
| adamw | oh, it works without providing delta files? ahhh. i misunderstood that. | Sep 14 09:17 |
| adamw | ok, that makes it easier. | Sep 14 09:17 |
| kparal | the differences are computed on the client | Sep 14 09:17 |
| adamw | ok. from my side the topic's covered, then. any other comments? | Sep 14 09:17 |
| kparal | the whole command it $zsyncmake <bigfile> -o bigfile.zsync | Sep 14 09:17 |
| adamw | ok, then - moving on | Sep 14 09:18 |
| adamw | wwoods, oxf13 - you guys ready to do an autoqa update? | Sep 14 09:18 |
| Oxf13 | I'm not.... | Sep 14 09:18 |
| wwoods | sure | Sep 14 09:19 |
| adamw | we can do another topic first and come back to it later in the meeting if it'd help? | Sep 14 09:19 |
| wwoods | so autoqa is still doing its thing - see the results list | Sep 14 09:19 |
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| wwoods | looks like our ppc host might be down - or maybe we didn't get a ppc tree today? | Sep 14 09:19 |
| adamw | #topic autoqa update | Sep 14 09:19 |
| ---zodbot has changed the topic to: autoqa update (Meeting topic: QA meeting) | Sep 14 09:19 | |
| wwoods | I'll look into it | Sep 14 09:19 |
| wwoods | jlaska's on vacation for a couple weeks so I'm helping with autoqa monitor duties as well as development | Sep 14 09:20 |
| adamw | (remember we had no meeting last week so anything from the last _two_ weeks is news) | Sep 14 09:20 |
| wwoods | anyway: https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-results/2009-September/thread.html | Sep 14 09:20 |
| wwoods | ooh let me check my records for a second | Sep 14 09:20 |
| Oxf13 | looks like no ppc images | Sep 14 09:21 |
| wwoods | Okay so: we fixed up the email output to show tracebacks when they happen | Sep 14 09:21 |
| adamw | ooh. that's awesome. | Sep 14 09:21 |
| wwoods | fixed up the install test so it monitors both the serial console and the logs | Sep 14 09:21 |
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| Oxf13 | I don't see images for any other arch either, so maybe I'm looking in the wrong place | Sep 14 09:21 |
| wwoods | install test will end immediately when it sees the "installation exited abnormally" message | Sep 14 09:22 |
| dpravec | wwoods: great news | Sep 14 09:22 |
| wwoods | Oxf13: so there's rats_sanity test results for today for x86_64 and i386 | Sep 14 09:22 |
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| wwoods | which indicates that the repodata updated, at the very least | Sep 14 09:22 |
| wwoods | both failed, though | Sep 14 09:22 |
| Oxf13 | repodata yes, images not so much it seems | Sep 14 09:22 |
| wwoods | right, no images appeared, which is why rats_install never even ran | Sep 14 09:23 |
| wwoods | https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-results/2009-September/000928.html | Sep 14 09:23 |
| wwoods | we have depsolving problems in the critpath | Sep 14 09:23 |
| wwoods | so we're on full red alert for today's rawhide | Sep 14 09:23 |
| wwoods | heh | Sep 14 09:23 |
| Oxf13 | python-cryptsetup-0.0.9-2.fc12.i686 from anacondarepo has depsolving problems --> Missing Dependency: libcryptsetup.so.0 is needed by package python-cryptsetup-0.0.9-2.fc12.i686 (anacondarepo) | Sep 14 09:23 |
| Oxf13 | Error: Missing Dependency: libcryptsetup.so.0 is needed by package python-cryptsetup-0.0.9-2.fc12.i686 (anacondarepo) | Sep 14 09:23 |
| Oxf13 | so, somebody fubared the critical path | Sep 14 09:23 |
| adamw | nice to see how quickly autoqa can be used to pinpoint a problem :) | Sep 14 09:24 |
| wwoods | indeed | Sep 14 09:24 |
| Oxf13 | cryptsetup-luks got a soname bump on the 11th. | Sep 14 09:24 |
| wwoods | so it would be nice if there was a simple summary of these things.. like the 'israwhidebroken' page we've talked about | Sep 14 09:25 |
| wwoods | I started writing a TurboGears app to handle that stuff.. last week I guess? | Sep 14 09:25 |
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| Oxf13 | and nobody bumped python-cryptsetup to match. | Sep 14 09:25 |
| adamw | right, at the last meeting you had that on the list of 'things to do next' | Sep 14 09:25 |
| wwoods | I've got a personal git repo that contains the code I've been working on | Sep 14 09:26 |
| wwoods | which, er, I can't seem to find a good URL for at the moment | Sep 14 09:26 |
| adamw | heh :) | Sep 14 09:26 |
| dpravec | wwoods: icannot open http://test1250.test.redhat.com/afe/ ... (connecting to ... for few minutes) | Sep 14 09:26 |
| Oxf13 | wait, maybe I'm wrong in my investigation. Need more time to look | Sep 14 09:27 |
| wwoods | ah: git://git.fedorapeople.org/~wwoods/israwhidebroken.git | Sep 14 09:27 |
| Oxf13 | no, I'm right. *sigh* | Sep 14 09:27 |
| wwoods | so far so good - it's doing FAS auth properly, has a list of the known rawhide tests, etc. | Sep 14 09:28 |
| wwoods | I'm working on automated result submission | Sep 14 09:28 |
| dpravec | wwoods: do you have publicly accessible web page with results? | Sep 14 09:28 |
| wwoods | dpravec: not yet, no | Sep 14 09:28 |
| wwoods | that's what I'm working on | Sep 14 09:28 |
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| wwoods | also test1250 is gone - it changed hostname | Sep 14 09:28 |
| wwoods | it's test1185 now | Sep 14 09:28 |
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| Oxf13 | god I really really want this holding ground between builds and rawhide so that we can run these test and throw out builds that break shit. | Sep 14 09:29 |
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| wwoods | Oxf13: definitely, but we have to be confident in our tests first.. and have the tests running on something public | Sep 14 09:29 |
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| wwoods | it would be pretty great if the rawhide tests could finish up by telling the builder whether or not to sync out the tree | Sep 14 09:29 |
| wwoods | we're much, much closer to that now | Sep 14 09:30 |
| Oxf13 | wwoods: I think it's too late by that point (sync the tree or not) | Sep 14 09:30 |
| wwoods | Oxf13: well, with the current watcher, yes | Sep 14 09:30 |
| Oxf13 | wwoods: the simple test of "does this build break deps", particularly in the critical path, should be an easy one to use to block builds from being tagged | Sep 14 09:31 |
| wwoods | ah, I see what you mean now | Sep 14 09:31 |
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| wwoods | yeah, once we're more confident in the tests and the rest of the autoqa system, and it lives in the Infrastructure proper | Sep 14 09:31 |
| wwoods | then we can work on that | Sep 14 09:31 |
| wwoods | IIRC we have some hardware on order to get put in the lab for this | Sep 14 09:31 |
| wwoods | err s/lab/colo/ | Sep 14 09:31 |
| adamw | alright, brainstorming we can do outside the meeting :) | Sep 14 09:31 |
| wwoods | but jlaska knows the details about that better than I do, so I can't say more | Sep 14 09:32 |
| wwoods | anyway - autoqa stuff is coming along, look for a public dashboard of rawhide status coming in the next few weeks | Sep 14 09:32 |
| adamw | so any specific upcoming changes we didn't cover yet, or is it basically continuing to work on the israwhidebroken.com bits? | Sep 14 09:32 |
| adamw | great | Sep 14 09:32 |
| adamw | thanks a lot | Sep 14 09:32 |
| wwoods | also a public instance of the autotest/autoqa stuff | Sep 14 09:32 |
| wwoods | in the meantime keep watching the reports on the autoqa-results list | Sep 14 09:32 |
| adamw | awesomeness | Sep 14 09:33 |
| wwoods | and if you need details about a failure ask someone @redhat to read (or get you) the detailed logs for a given test | Sep 14 09:33 |
| adamw | #topic test day update | Sep 14 09:33 |
| ---zodbot has changed the topic to: test day update (Meeting topic: QA meeting) | Sep 14 09:33 | |
| adamw | so this is my starring role! | Sep 14 09:33 |
| wwoods | aim the spotlight! fire the pyrotechnics! | Sep 14 09:34 |
| adamw | =) | Sep 14 09:34 |
| *adamw rises through the stage floor wearing a flowing white cape | Sep 14 09:34 | |
| adamw | so, uh :) | Sep 14 09:34 |
| adamw | at the last meeting, the Sugar on a Stick test day was still upcoming | Sep 14 09:34 |
| adamw | #link Test_Day:2009-09-03_SoaS | Sep 14 09:35 |
| adamw | I don't know if sdziallas is around...? | Sep 14 09:35 |
| adamw | (he said meaningfully) | Sep 14 09:35 |
| adamw | i guess not! | Sep 14 09:36 |
| adamw | well, I was there, and it went off pretty smoothly. so that's nice. | Sep 14 09:36 |
| *sdziallas is | Sep 14 09:36 | |
| adamw | ah, here he is :) | Sep 14 09:36 |
| sdziallas | adamw: hey :) | Sep 14 09:36 |
| adamw | anything in particular to report about the soas test day? | Sep 14 09:36 |
| adamw | did you find it a useful event? | Sep 14 09:36 |
| sdziallas | adamw: well, it was... awesome! | Sep 14 09:36 |
| sdziallas | adamw: I think I should follow up with jlaska or you (and probably provide some e-mail report or so; sorry, I'm just a little swamped with work) | Sep 14 09:37 |
| sdziallas | adamw: I provided pretty valuable feedback, helped us to get to know quite some bugs and even let us preview the semantic infra use in Fedora :) | Sep 14 09:37 |
| adamw | we've been trying to send an email report on each test day out to -test-list - nothing dramatic, just a quick round-up and a list of bugs produced with the command on the SOP page | Sep 14 09:37 |
| adamw | but it's not a big thing | Sep 14 09:37 |
| adamw | ahhh yeah, semantic - i forgot about that | Sep 14 09:37 |
| adamw | how did you find it? was it a good way for you to access the results? any problems with it? | Sep 14 09:38 |
| sdziallas | adamw: sounds like it's something to work on (the report) | Sep 14 09:38 |
| sdziallas | adamw: I do like the way. having set it up with mchua and jlaska in a sprint session just a day before the test day started, I guess it was somewhat time consuming. | Sep 14 09:39 |
| dpravec | sdziallas: the report is not that hard. read SOP - you will find some example and doc there | Sep 14 09:39 |
| sdziallas | adamw: but I believe if it's properly set up and well designed, it could be an awesome possibility to provide feedback | Sep 14 09:39 |
| adamw | great | Sep 14 09:39 |
| adamw | i think if we used it regularly for each event we could probably streamline the setup process | Sep 14 09:40 |
| *sdziallas nods; that would be great! | Sep 14 09:40 | |
| adamw | when jlaska is back we should probably get together and discuss the pros and cons, but sounds like it was a productive experiment! | Sep 14 09:40 |
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| sdziallas | adamw: yeah, definitely! I'd be happy to help there... (and mchua is prolly interested, too) | Sep 14 09:41 |
| adamw | great, thanks a lot | Sep 14 09:41 |
| adamw | so, from my side - last week was X.org test week | Sep 14 09:41 |
| adamw | we had one test day each for nvidia, ati and intel | Sep 14 09:42 |
| adamw | i haven't done a full follow-up yet - i'm planning to do that this week - but turnout was high and it was pretty lively for each day | Sep 14 09:42 |
| adamw | jlaska was keeping count and mentioned there were over 100 bug reports generated from the three days in total, so that's...er...good, i suppose :) | Sep 14 09:42 |
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| adamw | so i'll be going through and triaging them, then doing an email report and following up on any really critical issues that emerged. | Sep 14 09:43 |
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| adamw | we have two test days coming up this week | Sep 14 09:44 |
| adamw | from my side, wednesday will be audio/pulseaudio test day | Sep 14 09:44 |
| adamw | i'm going to have to pull that one together rather quickly, i don't have a page up for it yet, but plan to get it all done by tomorrow at the latest. | Sep 14 09:44 |
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| dpravec | adamw: that one is very important | Sep 14 09:45 |
| adamw | dpravec: yeah, i know - unfortunately i had trouble getting it scheduled, due to the packed out test day schedule and lennart being quite busy | Sep 14 09:45 |
| dpravec | Xorg drivers and sound systems are typically big PITA for endusers | Sep 14 09:45 |
| adamw | believe me, I know :) | Sep 14 09:45 |
| adamw | that's why I wanted to do a sound test day, we haven't had one before | Sep 14 09:45 |
| dpravec | good | Sep 14 09:45 |
| dpravec | adamw: can i help somehow? | Sep 14 09:46 |
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| adamw | off the top of my head i don't know, but if something comes up while i'm working on it i'll let you know - thanks for the offerf | Sep 14 09:46 |
| dpravec | ok | Sep 14 09:46 |
| adamw | of course, the usual - getting people to come out and get involved - is important | Sep 14 09:46 |
| dpravec | i will try | Sep 14 09:46 |
| adamw | sound is one of those things like xorg which affects everyone, so if everyone could come along and get others to come too that'd be great | Sep 14 09:46 |
| adamw | ok, aside from that, thursday will be virtualization test day | Sep 14 09:47 |
| dpravec | setup the page fast so we can announce it on community servers | Sep 14 09:47 |
| adamw | yes, that's the first priority | Sep 14 09:47 |
| adamw | virt test day has been organized mostly by markmc and jlaska, neither of whom are around, unfortunately | Sep 14 09:48 |
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| adamw | anyone here has been involved / knows much about that event? | Sep 14 09:48 |
| adamw | #link Test_Day:2009-09-17_Virtualization | Sep 14 09:48 |
| kparal | markmc is online, i'm talking to him | Sep 14 09:49 |
| kparal | can tell him to join | Sep 14 09:49 |
| kparal | i'm helping him to build custom livecd | Sep 14 09:49 |
| dpravec | virtualisation is important for me | Sep 14 09:49 |
| adamw | kparal: if you could that'd be great | Sep 14 09:49 |
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| dpravec | it still sucks when you have virtual hosts on network and you want to use network manager... | Sep 14 09:50 |
| kparal | say hello to markmc | Sep 14 09:50 |
| markmc | hello to markmc | Sep 14 09:50 |
| markmc | kparal, oh, not me ? :) | Sep 14 09:50 |
| dpravec | :) | Sep 14 09:50 |
| adamw | hi mark :) | Sep 14 09:50 |
| markmc | dpravec, what sucks ? | Sep 14 09:50 |
| adamw | so we're doing a test day update, jlaska is away, so we need someone to tell us about virt test day on thursday | Sep 14 09:51 |
| adamw | is the planning all in hand? | Sep 14 09:51 |
| markmc | okay | Sep 14 09:51 |
| dpravec | having network manager combined with virtual hosts available on network | Sep 14 09:51 |
| markmc | so, we're fleshing it out here Test_Day:2009-09-17_Virtualization | Sep 14 09:51 |
| markmc | idea is a developer is going to own each sub-page and will write test cases | Sep 14 09:51 |
| markmc | e.g. Test_Day:2009-09-17_Virtualization_libguestfs | Sep 14 09:51 |
| dpravec | well, having virtual hosts available on network is not really as easy as it should be | Sep 14 09:52 |
| markmc | kparal is helping me build a livecd | Sep 14 09:52 |
| markmc | and we'll give people instructions on how to mount (e.g. nfs) storage for guest images | Sep 14 09:52 |
| adamw | excellent...looks good | Sep 14 09:52 |
| markmc | apart from that, it should be a pretty standard test day | Sep 14 09:52 |
| adamw | are there any areas where we (qa) could help you out at all? especially since jlaska's away now, anything we need to take up the slack on? | Sep 14 09:52 |
| markmc | it went last time, but we tried to cover too much basic virt testing | Sep 14 09:53 |
| markmc | so this time, it's mostly new features | Sep 14 09:53 |
| markmc | except live migration which was horribly broken last time | Sep 14 09:53 |
| markmc | adamw, not really; test cases and the livecd are the two big todo items | Sep 14 09:54 |
| markmc | adamw, it'd be great if qa folks could watch the wiki pages and help clean up stuff as people add test cases maybe | Sep 14 09:54 |
| *markmc thinks of anything else needing doing | Sep 14 09:54 | |
| adamw | ok - i will try and find time to give it a couple of look overs before the day, anyone else who likes to clean up wiki pages please do also :) | Sep 14 09:54 |
| markmc | adamw, turning up on the day, of course would be great, but that's a given | Sep 14 09:54 |
| adamw | as always | Sep 14 09:55 |
| markmc | dpravec, Features/Shared_Network_Interface | Sep 14 09:55 |
| markmc | dpravec, I think that's basically what you mean | Sep 14 09:55 |
| markmc | dpravec, we've a lot of the infrastructure in place for that in F12, but not quite there | Sep 14 09:55 |
| dpravec | ic | Sep 14 09:56 |
| markmc | dpravec, Features/Network_Interface_Management | Sep 14 09:56 |
| dpravec | for now i am using my own bridge and i live without NM | Sep 14 09:56 |
| markmc | dpravec, we'll be updating these instructions: | Sep 14 09:56 |
| markmc | http://wiki.libvirt.org/page/Networking#Fedora.2FRHEL_Bridging | Sep 14 09:56 |
| markmc | dpravec, to use the virsh netif-* commands to set up a bridge | Sep 14 09:56 |
| markmc | dpravec, you should be able to use nm - just make the bridge NM_CONTROLLED=no or whatever | Sep 14 09:57 |
| dpravec | i used howto from the last url you gave me | Sep 14 09:57 |
| dpravec | but its not good for novices :) | Sep 14 09:57 |
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| dpravec | markmc: that didnt help much | Sep 14 09:58 |
| adamw | details we can discuss outside of the meeting...we're running short on time :) | Sep 14 09:58 |
| dpravec | and firefox is telling me i am ofline :) | Sep 14 09:58 |
| markmc | adamw, indeed, sorry | Sep 14 09:58 |
| adamw | no problem | Sep 14 09:58 |
| adamw | thanks a lot for the update | Sep 14 09:58 |
| dpravec | markmc: i am talking also to NM people | Sep 14 09:58 |
| dpravec | and i hope this will move, but i see it will take time | Sep 14 09:58 |
| adamw | i think that's all on test days...there's no FnF test day upcoming | Sep 14 09:58 |
| adamw | any other points on test days? | Sep 14 09:58 |
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| adamw | ok then | Sep 14 09:59 |
| adamw | #topic open floor | Sep 14 09:59 |
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| adamw | open floor time! anyone have questions / concerns / suggestions to raise? | Sep 14 09:59 |
| poelcat | adamw: haven't read backscroll... did you mention blocker bug day this friday? | Sep 14 10:00 |
| poelcat | s/day/meeting | Sep 14 10:00 |
| adamw | aha, indeed i didn't - sorry | Sep 14 10:00 |
| adamw | thanks, poelcat: there will be another f12 beta blocker bug review meeting this friday | Sep 14 10:00 |
| adamw | 1600 UTC? | Sep 14 10:01 |
| *poelcat will send announce and volunteer to run meeting unless someoe else wants to :) | Sep 14 10:01 | |
| poelcat | adamw: 1500 UTC I think | Sep 14 10:01 |
| adamw | poelcat: that would be awesome, thank you | Sep 14 10:01 |
| poelcat | yes... 8 PDT/11EDT/1500 UTC | Sep 14 10:01 |
| adamw | there was a suggestion i remember seeing somewhere - we should go through f12blocker bugs as well as f12beta, to see if any need to be promoted | Sep 14 10:02 |
| *poelcat defines "run meeting" as call out the bugs... you all have a better grasp of technical details :) | Sep 14 10:02 | |
| adamw | we did that for the alpha meetings, but forgot to do it at the first beta meeting | Sep 14 10:02 |
| poelcat | adamw: okay, i'll add that to the agenda and list of bugs to run through | Sep 14 10:02 |
| adamw | great | Sep 14 10:02 |
| poelcat | hopefully f12block isn't too long | Sep 14 10:02 |
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| adamw | hopefully : | Sep 14 10:03 |
| adamw | :) | Sep 14 10:03 |
| poelcat | that's why we finished in record time last friday :) | Sep 14 10:03 |
| adamw | so yes, everyone please come out to the review meeting if you can - the more eyes the better | Sep 14 10:03 |
| adamw | ok, any other open floor topics? | Sep 14 10:04 |
| adamw | in that case... | Sep 14 10:06 |
| *adamw waves gavel of doom | Sep 14 10:06 | |
| adamw | #endmeeting | Sep 14 10:06 |
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