Attendees
People present (lines said)
- adamw (72)
- wwoods (32)
- jlaska (15)
- kparal (7)
- Oxf13 (7)
- tk009 (5)
- zodbot (2)
- buggbot (1)
- thomasj (1)
- Viking-Ice (1)
- drago01 (1)
- mchua (1)
- seelchen (1)
Regrets:
Agenda
Previous meeting follow-up
See QA/Meetings/20091026#Action_items
- adamw will ask Milos to follow-up at next week's meeting or on the list on the FTBFS topic
Adam was in touch with Milos and asked for a follow-up on the FTBFS idea. So far no updates have been made. Milos asked when the next QA meeting would be, but doesn't seem to be available today.
- Viking-Ice investigating creating a test case for bug#530452 ... and adding to F12 install matrix
No updates
- wwoods to add roadmap/tickets for reworking shared autoqa code (watchers, test helper methods, etc) into a proper library
In progress. Will is working on a private git branch
Review beta test
- open action items - http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2009-10-30/fedora-bugzappers.2009-10-30-15.01.html
- mailing list feedback
James put this on to get a feel for how everyone thinks f12 beta testing is coming along with a view to whether we reckon we'll be ready to go RC on schedule. Adam asked the group for any particular thoughts/concerns.
TK009 asked how much time was left. Wednesday is the cutoff date (kparal directed the group towards the schedule). Adamw noted that ideally after Wednesday all the 'code bugs' should be fixed and further builds should only be addressing issues in the iso builds themselves.
Wwoods noted that after last Friday's EPIC blocker bug review (see recap), he felt there was a good handle on the scope of remaining issues.
With regards to blocker bugs, wwoods provided some data:
25 open bugs, none NEW, 12 ASSIGNED, 13 MODIFIED (see F12Blocker). Adam pointed out that 7, or 8, of the OPEN issues are still waiting for developer action. This includes some easy issues where the bug is waiting for tagging before being moved to MODIFIED. The group didn't think the remaining issues were cause for alarm. Wwoods and Adamw debated whether a community bug verification event was needed to help push through remaining MODIFIED bugs. Adam noted there were clear action items from the blocker review meeting. However, Adam reminded everyone that most of the bugs in MODIFIED need some sort of testing, so please take a minute to look through the MODIFIED items and provide any feedback you can, if you have time.
AutoQA update
Wwoods updated the team on his work to rebuild the autoqa code to provide a nice python library. For details see http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=autoqa.git;a=tree;f=lib/python;hb=wwoods-autotest. The hope is to have this code merged into master by the end of the week. Packaging and testing of a newer version of autotest-0.11 is underway as well (see ticket#9).
Kparal indicated there haven't been new developments with rpmguard this past week. Several new tickets arrived to track enhancements recommended on his blog. The main focus is integrating rpmquard into autoqa.
Open discussion - <Your topic here>
Some general discussion around the upcoming release candidate and the friday blocker bug day. Jlaska took an action item to catch up with denise and the installer team for any issues they were tracking for inclusion into the RC.
Upcoming QA events
- 2009-11-02 - End of beta testing
- 2009-11-04 - Compose release Candidate
- 2009-11-04 - Test release candidate
- 2009-11-06 - Blocker bug day
Action items
- (carry over) - Viking-Ice investigating creating a test case for bug#530452 ... and adding to F12 install matrix
- jlaska to check-in with anaconda-devel team for status on any issues they are monitoring for the wednesday RC compose
IRC Transcript
adamw | #startmeeting 2009-11-02 QA meeting | 16:01 |
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zodbot | Meeting started Mon Nov 2 16:01:47 2009 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 16:01 |
adamw | #topic taking attendance | 16:01 |
adamw | who's here? | 16:02 |
* tk009 | 16:02 | |
* kparal first :) | 16:02 | |
kparal | damn | 16:02 |
tk009 | not =P | 16:02 |
* jlaska lurking | 16:02 | |
* wwoods hereish | 16:02 | |
* seelchen here | 16:03 | |
jlaska | I'm double booked for meetings right now, so I'll be slower than usual to respond | 16:03 |
adamw | i shall be running the meeting due to our Glorious Leader's inability to manage his schedule ;) | 16:03 |
adamw | #topic previous meeting follow-up | 16:04 |
jlaska | adamw: bitten by DST :( | 16:04 |
* mchua lurking | 16:04 | |
adamw | hi mel | 16:04 |
adamw | let's see - I did indeed ask Milos to follow-up on his FTBFS idea, but he obviously hasn't yet. he did ask when the next meeting was going to be, but I don't see him here. | 16:05 |
adamw | "Viking-Ice investigating creating a test case for bug#530452 ... and adding to F12 install matrix" | 16:05 |
buggbot | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=530452 high, low, ---, jmccann, CLOSED RAWHIDE, Gnome sets the keyboard layout to USA after every log in | 16:05 |
adamw | Viking-Ice: ping, any news? | 16:06 |
adamw | I guess he's not here | 16:07 |
adamw | wwoods to add roadmap/tickets for reworking shared autoqa code (watchers, test helper methods, etc) into a proper library - anything on that, will? | 16:07 |
wwoods | yeah! | 16:08 |
wwoods | I'm working in a git branch in autoqa | 16:08 |
wwoods | all of the repo info used by the watchers has been moved to a shared library and a config file | 16:08 |
wwoods | so we can update repo info without needing to replace the watcher code | 16:08 |
adamw | excellent | 16:08 |
adamw | let's save more detail for the autoqa topic | 16:09 |
wwoods | indeed | 16:09 |
adamw | so, onto the next... | 16:09 |
adamw | #topic Review beta test | 16:09 |
wwoods | but It's Coming Along Nicely. | 16:09 |
adamw | so, James put this on to get a feel for how everyone thinks f12 beta testing is coming along | 16:09 |
adamw | with a view to whether we reckon we'll be ready to go RC on schedule | 16:10 |
adamw | does anyone have any particular thoughts? | 16:10 |
wwoods | how much time is left? | 16:10 |
* Viking-Ice jumps in late | 16:10 | |
tk009 | 2 days? | 16:10 |
adamw | i believe wednesday is basically the cutoff | 16:10 |
kparal | http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-key-tasks.html | 16:11 |
wwoods | after friday's Epic Blocker Review I feel like we have a pretty good handle on the scope of the remaining issues | 16:11 |
kparal | 2 days | 16:11 |
adamw | at that point all the 'code bugs' should be fixed and further builds should only be addressing issues in the iso builds themselves | 16:11 |
wwoods | eep. | 16:11 |
adamw | wwoods: yeah, that was my feeling. i'm hoping to knock off several of those today... | 16:11 |
* tk009 didn't look out of fear | 16:12 | |
adamw | as far as the blocker bugs go, the list is at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=473303&hide_resolved=1 for reference | 16:12 |
adamw | it still looks quite long but as I said I hope to close rather a few of those today...hopefully | 16:12 |
wwoods | AFAICT: 25 open bugs, none NEW, 12 ASSIGNED, 13 MODIFIED | 16:13 |
wwoods | in theory all MODIFIED bugs should be closeable as soon as we confirm the fix | 16:13 |
adamw | some of the ASSIGNED are somewhat misleading | 16:14 |
adamw | i haven't got an exact count but I think off the top of my head there's only 7 or 8 where we're really still waiting on developer action | 16:14 |
adamw | and some of them are pretty easy stuff, like the bug that's just davidz reminding himself to do a tag request for an updated DeviceKit-disks build | 16:14 |
wwoods | gotcha | 16:15 |
adamw | overall i'm fairly hopeful we'll actually be able to more or less knock everything off in time | 16:15 |
wwoods | later today can we run through the list and close/move bugs to MODIFIED where appropriate, to make this less scary? | 16:15 |
wwoods | I don't feel like there's any hair-on-fire-panic issues but that list is worry-making | 16:16 |
adamw | i'll be doing that myself anyway, but if you want to make it an event we could | 16:16 |
adamw | obviously will just didn't get enough blocker bug review meeting action on friday =) | 16:16 |
wwoods | nah, just wanted to make sure someone was directly responsible for managing the list | 16:17 |
* wwoods hungers for it | 16:17 | |
wwoods | just don't have myself CC'd on enough bugs anymore | 16:17 |
adamw | there's clear action items here, of course, btw - most of the bugs in MODIFIED need some sort of testing, so please everyone do take a minute to look through the MODIFIED items and provide any feedback you can, if you have time | 16:17 |
adamw | so that's the blocker bug perspective...anyone have perspective from any other angles? i haven't been doing / following much install testing for e.g. | 16:17 |
adamw | i guess not! | 16:20 |
drago01 | fwif did two installs yesterday one from dvd one livecd both where fine | 16:21 |
adamw | well, my feeling is we may well be able to make it for wednesday but it's hard to say for sure at this point. i'm reasonably optimistic. | 16:21 |
adamw | thanks, drago. | 16:21 |
adamw | ok, onto the next one... | 16:21 |
adamw | #topic AutoQA update | 16:22 |
adamw | step forward our brave autoqa warriors! | 16:22 |
wwoods | bam! | 16:22 |
wwoods | so yeah: reworking autoqa code to provide a nice python library | 16:22 |
wwoods | #link http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=autoqa.git;a=tree;f=lib/python;hb=wwoods-autotest | 16:23 |
wwoods | oh wait. #link is unnecessary. heh. | 16:23 |
wwoods | anyway, other shared (or shareable) code from the various tests is being moved in there | 16:24 |
wwoods | so e.g. the virtguest code that rats_install uses is now available for any other tests to use | 16:24 |
wwoods | there's a koji_utils module that can be used to get the NVR of previous released versions of a given package | 16:25 |
wwoods | etc. | 16:25 |
wwoods | I hope to have this merged into master by the end of the week | 16:25 |
wwoods | and the existing tests modified to use the shared code | 16:25 |
wwoods | and to start actually wiring up the post-koji-build watcher and get rpmguard running | 16:25 |
kparal | which is also my task :) | 16:26 |
wwoods | one other note | 16:26 |
wwoods | we're packaging and testing a slightly newer autotest version | 16:26 |
wwoods | so there may be some weird emails and stuff coming from that as we set up the new autotest version and work on the new hook and adapt the tests | 16:26 |
adamw | thanks for the warning | 16:27 |
adamw | anything of interest on the rpmguard front, kparal? | 16:27 |
kparal | unfortunatelly there has not been any development in rpmguard front in the past week. I have only created a few tickets with possible enhancements. | 16:28 |
kparal | the main task now will be autoqa integration. when that works, I can work more on improving the code | 16:29 |
adamw | alright, thanks | 16:29 |
adamw | so onto... | 16:29 |
adamw | #topic upcoming QA events | 16:29 |
adamw | see the list in the agenda: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-November/msg00043.html | 16:30 |
adamw | end of beta testing is listed as today, which is clearly a sick joke ;) | 16:30 |
adamw | but yeah, RC composing action begins wednesday. we have a blocker bug day listed for friday, which seems slightly odd to me as - by my understanding - we can't fix any more blocker bugs after wednesday. | 16:31 |
adamw | without slipping. | 16:31 |
adamw | Oxf13: any clarifications? | 16:31 |
Oxf13 | adamw: we can fix bugs that show up from the RC | 16:31 |
Oxf13 | up until Monday without slipping | 16:31 |
Oxf13 | the following Monday is the go/nogo date, where it's either fixed or we're slipping | 16:32 |
adamw | ah, ok | 16:32 |
adamw | but we want to fix as much as possible for the RC start date anyway | 16:32 |
Oxf13 | we have to have the blocker list clear before we can enter RC | 16:32 |
Oxf13 | so having an RC on Wed is not a forgone conclusion | 16:32 |
adamw | alright | 16:33 |
adamw | thanks for the clarification | 16:33 |
adamw | so yeah, not much new here: now until wednesday is full-steam-ahead blocker bug bashing mode | 16:33 |
adamw | if you're not working on blocker bugs you'd better have a note from your doctor explaining that you have a serious case of 'dead' or you'll have me to answer to ;) | 16:34 |
adamw | anything you wanted to mention about the upcoming week, oxf13? | 16:34 |
* jlaska no longer distracted | 16:34 | |
adamw | jlaska: feel free to add anything i'm missing | 16:35 |
* thomasj late lurking | 16:35 | |
jlaska | Liam is planning to kick off a RC install test run on wednesday | 16:35 |
Oxf13 | We have seriously tiny amount of time between the RC compose and the go/nogo vote | 16:35 |
jlaska | ideally this would be against the RC ... but Oxf13 mentioned if we haven't reached closure on the F12Blocker list, he would compose a "Test Compose" for us to track updated install results | 16:36 |
Oxf13 | so we need to be hitting rawhide with a vengeance leading up to the RC, and also hitting RC with a vengeance to make sure it's up to snuff before we vote on it. | 16:36 |
adamw | right | 16:36 |
jlaska | denise: are there any bugs in progress on the anaconda side that would be good to have land in the wednesday compose | 16:36 |
jlaska | whether it's RC or 'test compose' ? | 16:37 |
jlaska | we can work that outside the meeting, but just something to coordinate for that compose milestone | 16:37 |
adamw | all the anaconda bugs are currently in MODIFIED state according to the blocker list | 16:37 |
adamw | so the onus there seems to be on us | 16:37 |
jlaska | sort of | 16:37 |
adamw | (pun not intended) | 16:37 |
jlaska | there are a few inprogress, before we do the compose, I think it would be helpful to check-in with her team | 16:38 |
jlaska | to avoid spinning another compose the next day with a new anaconda | 16:38 |
adamw | all the anaconda bugs currently marked as blocker bugs are intended to be fixed in anaconda 12.42, which was tagged today | 16:38 |
adamw | so we definitely need all of those re-tested with today's rawhide | 16:39 |
jlaska | #action jlaska to check-in with anaconda-devel team for status on any issues they are monitoring for the wednesday RC compose | 16:39 |
jlaska | that's it from me | 16:41 |
adamw | alright | 16:41 |
adamw | anything we didn't cover on the topic of upcoming events? | 16:41 |
adamw | there's no test day this week | 16:41 |
adamw | in that case, moving on to... | 16:43 |
adamw | #topic open floor | 16:43 |
adamw | anything at all anyone wants to share? come on, don't be shy! | 16:43 |
jlaska | nothing here | 16:43 |
adamw | alright, banging gavel in 3... | 16:45 |
adamw | 2... | 16:45 |
adamw | 1... | 16:45 |
adamw | thanks for coming, everyone | 16:45 |
tk009 | =) | 16:45 |
adamw | #endmeeting | 16:45 |
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