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People present (lines said)
- jlaska (101)
- kparal (42)
- adamw (24)
- jskladan (10)
- zodbot (4)
- jsmith (4)
- saccia (2)
- tk009 (1)
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Agenda
Previous meeting follow-up
- No items
F14 Test status
Consult schedule for remaining QA tasks
- Owner - AdamW, Hurry
- Summary
- Oct 01 - Hosted first F14Blocker review meeting last week - http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2010-10-01/f-14-blocker-review.2010-10-01-16.00.log.html
- Oct 07 - Fedora 14 acceptance test run planned (see
rel-eng ticket#4140
) - Oct 08 - F14Blocker review meeting planned (see
Create rel-eng ticket
) - Oct 14 - F14Blocker TC1 test run planned (see
Create rel-eng ticket
) - Oct 21 - F14Blocker RC1 test run planned (see
Create rel-eng ticket
) - Oct 26 - F-14 Go/No Go meeting (see Go_No_Go_Meeting)
- Next steps...
- Continue testing and identifying potential F14Blocker bugs
- Newgle1 will be assisting with the acceptance run this week ... should we test more than just acceptance?
- Jlaska will ask Hurry whether adding some amount of installer validation or installer bug verification is possible
F14 QA Activities
Sep 28-30 - Graphics test week
- Owner - AdamW
- Summary
- Tuesday, Sep 28 - Nouveau
- Wednesday, Sep 29 - Radeon
- Thursday, Sep 30 - Intel
- Next steps...
- Summary - Test day well attended, but not as busy as previous events. AdamW will note any concerns/ideas on Fedora_14_QA_Retrospective
- AdamW plans to send recap soon
Oct 07 - Open slot
- Owner - nobody
- Summary
- No planned test day
- Next steps...
- Possible use this test day slot for F-14 installer validation, or ON_QA verification
Oct 14 - OpenLDAP and nss
- Owner - jzeleny, jvcelak, rmeggins, omoris
- Summary
- Wiki page available - Test_Day:2010-10-14_OpenLDAP/NSS
- Kparal notes the devel+qe folks are very active for this event
- Next steps...
- kparal will monitor whether custom test day live images are needed, and request help if needed
- Announce event (test-announce@, planet, lwn etc...)
AutoQA update
- Owner - User:kparal
- Summary
- wwoods will also add an rpm test transaction to depcheck to catch file conflicts -- moved to new ticket
autoqa ticket#229
- jskladan and wwoods investigating mash integration
- kparal - we stopped checking updates-testing repos in the upgradepath test, because we're not sure how to do that properly - we need to consult FESCo (see
fesco ticket#474
) - kparal started a thread about timing-sensitive tests - upgradepath and depcheck - how and when to correctly execute them
- jskladan resultsdb patches for autoqa are waiting to be pushed to master
- jskladan investigating a way for us to create generic testplan frontend
- Next steps...
- Monitor and discuss upgradepath topic during next FESCO meeting (see
fesco ticket#474
) - Review resultsdb patchset for master
- Wwoods integrating mash into depcheck test
F-14 Nice-to-have Proposal
- Owner - AdamW
- Summary
- Adam sent a nice-to-have proposal to the list for feedback (see http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-September/093833.html)
- It seems to be working out fine so far, we reviewed and accepted several NTH bugs at the blocker review meeting
- Next steps...
- Continue to monitor for feedback
- Will activate the policy soon if no additional feedback
Open discussion - <Your topic here>
Action items
- Jlaska will ask Hurry whether adding some amount of installer validation or installer bug verification is possible
IRC Transcript
jlaska | #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting | 15:00 |
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zodbot | Meeting started Mon Oct 4 15:00:16 2010 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 15:00 |
jlaska | #meetingname fedora-qa | 15:00 |
zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' | 15:00 |
jlaska | #topic Waiting for attendees | 15:00 |
* kparal me me me! | 15:00 | |
* saccia waves to jlaska | 15:00 | |
jlaska | kparal for the win | 15:00 |
jlaska | saccia: hello there | 15:00 |
adamw | yo | 15:01 |
jlaska | adamw: hey hey | 15:01 |
jlaska | kparal: can I appoint you #chair for the tail end of the meeting today? | 15:01 |
* jskladan here :) | 15:01 | |
jlaska | jskladan: greetings | 15:01 |
kparal | jlaska: sure | 15:01 |
jlaska | kparal: thank you | 15:01 |
jlaska | #chair kparal | 15:01 |
zodbot | Current chairs: jlaska kparal | 15:01 |
jlaska | note ... wwoods will be out today | 15:02 |
* jsmith lurks | 15:02 | |
tk009 | so the rest of us have to stand? no its ok I see how it is | 15:02 |
jlaska | lurker! | 15:02 |
jlaska | tk009: hah | 15:02 |
jsmith | jlaska: I know... 'nother meeting in 30 minutes :-/ | 15:02 |
jsmith | jlaska: C'est la vie on Mondays for me | 15:02 |
jlaska | alright, we'll get started in 30 seconds | 15:03 |
jlaska | kparal: is Martin available today? | 15:03 |
kparal | jlaska: nope, he will come only tomorrow | 15:03 |
jlaska | #topic Previous meeting follow-up | 15:04 |
jlaska | Shame on me, I never sent wiki versions of the minutes from last week | 15:05 |
jlaska | However, I had no follow-up items listed | 15:05 |
jlaska | So unless there is anything specific folks would like to call out ... we'll continue | 15:05 |
jlaska | alrighty ... | 15:06 |
jlaska | #topic F-14 Testing | 15:06 |
jlaska | Okay all, prepare to increase the pantscon level | 15:06 |
jlaska | I've listed the upcoming F-14 testing milestones on the meeting wiki page (I'll list here as well) | 15:06 |
jlaska | #info Oct 07 - Fedora 14 acceptance test run planned (see rel-eng ticket#4140) | 15:07 |
jlaska | this friday ... | 15:07 |
jlaska | #info Oct 08 - F14Blocker review meeting #2 planned | 15:07 |
jlaska | followed by next week ... | 15:07 |
jlaska | #info Oct 14 - F14Blocker TC1 test run planned (no rel-eng ticket available yet) | 15:07 |
jlaska | #info Oct 21 - F14Blocker RC1 test run planned (no rel-eng ticket available yet) | 15:07 |
jlaska | and lastly ... | 15:08 |
jlaska | #info Oct 26 - F-14 Go/No Go meeting (see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Go_No_Go_Meeting) | 15:08 |
jlaska | so this means we have less than 3 weeks to have all F14 blocker bugs closed | 15:08 |
adamw | yay fun | 15:09 |
jsmith | w00t! | 15:09 |
jlaska | We hosted the first of the F-14-Final blocker review meetings last Friday (http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2010-10-01/f-14-blocker-review.2010-10-01-16.00.log.html) | 15:09 |
jlaska | I suspect adamw is still in pain from that one | 15:09 |
jlaska | it was a *long* meeting | 15:09 |
jlaska | meetings that require an intermission ... ouch! | 15:09 |
jlaska | one question I have regarding this weeks planned acceptance test run ... | 15:10 |
jlaska | previously, we use these checkpoints to run the rawhide acceptance test plan (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Rawhide_Acceptance_Test_Plan) | 15:10 |
jlaska | this was mainly intended to identify any big gotchas with doing a basic install, boot and login to the desktop | 15:11 |
jlaska | do we want to continue with this plan ... or should we consider additional installer or desktop testing? | 15:11 |
jlaska | or perhaps, just bug verification? | 15:11 |
jlaska | any suggestions / ideas ? | 15:11 |
adamw | we can't easily change this, can we? | 15:11 |
adamw | since it requires Code | 15:11 |
jlaska | adamw: sorry, change what? | 15:12 |
jlaska | the automation used to run the acceptance plan? | 15:12 |
adamw | what the parameters for automated testing are | 15:12 |
saccia | I say we make sure we add something in that relates to dual hard drive setups... that's been nipping at us recently | 15:12 |
jlaska | adamw: yeah, I don't imagine we'll be able to adjust the automated testing very quickly for this week | 15:13 |
jlaska | saccia: let's continue to test the scenario you, Southern_Gentlem and I were discussing in #fedora-qa earlier. That's a tough challenging test scenario in that the 'expected results' aren't very explicit in most cases. | 15:14 |
adamw | i mean, i thought it was generally understood the long-term goal was simply to automate as many of the validation tests as we can, and what we have implemented so far is simply what we've managed | 15:14 |
jlaska | adamw: yes certainly | 15:14 |
jlaska | adamw: for the milestone this week, my question wasn't so much ... how do we want to change the automation we run this week | 15:14 |
jlaska | more ... do we want to include _other_ tests/activities during this event | 15:15 |
jlaska | to help identify issues earlier, or verify MODIFIED/ON_QA issues etc... | 15:15 |
adamw | oh. like, manual testing? | 15:15 |
jlaska | yeah, that could be one thing | 15:15 |
kparal | "manual", that sounds awful :P | 15:16 |
jlaska | it sure does! | 15:16 |
jlaska | awfully fun you meant, right? :P | 15:16 |
adamw | i dunno, i'm not sure it's sensible to load other stuff into the rawhide acceptance testing system | 15:17 |
adamw | reviewing blocker issues isn't really part of that is it? | 15:17 |
jlaska | adamw: I wouldn't suggest that either | 15:17 |
adamw | what did you have in mind? | 15:17 |
jlaska | I'm asking for ideas/suggestions in _addition_ to the planned acceptance run | 15:17 |
jlaska | sorry if that wasn't clear | 15:17 |
jlaska | I'm just worried that we only have about 5 days to find and fix bugs against TC1 | 15:18 |
jlaska | in order for them to land in RC1 | 15:18 |
jlaska | for Beta ... TC1 landed late | 15:18 |
jlaska | leaving less time | 15:18 |
kparal | we can do standard installation matrix even for that acceptance compose | 15:18 |
jlaska | adamw: do we have a lot of ON_QA or MODIFIED bugs on the blocker list? | 15:19 |
jlaska | kparal: I was wondering about that too, whether we had cycles to support additional installer tests | 15:19 |
adamw | 7 | 15:20 |
adamw | kparal's idea isn't a bad one, though that effectively turns the acceptance compose into TC1 | 15:20 |
jlaska | adamw: true, is that bad? | 15:20 |
adamw | not necessarily, just it would mean that we're not happy with the current process and we should probably change it formally rather than re-purposing things | 15:21 |
jlaska | actually, repurposing is just what I had in mind | 15:21 |
jlaska | I think that's what kparal's suggesting | 15:21 |
jlaska | okay, I'll take this offline ... I want to run kparal's idea by Hurry and Newgle too | 15:22 |
jlaska | either way, we're going to continue with the planned acceptance run this week | 15:22 |
jlaska | any ideas to help front-load any of the TC1 or RC1 firestorm ... please don't hesitate | 15:22 |
jlaska | #idea potentially add some of the validation matrix testing to the planned acceptance run? | 15:24 |
jlaska | #action jlaska to check-in with rhe for thoughts on doing a limited test run of validation matrix this week | 15:24 |
jlaska | #topic F14 Test Days | 15:24 |
jlaska | alright, so this is another FYI topic | 15:24 |
jlaska | Unless you were on another planet last week ... Adam and company hosted the always popular X test week | 15:25 |
jlaska | #info Sep 28-30 - Graphics test week | 15:25 |
adamw | i haven't done a summary yet, planning that for today | 15:25 |
jlaska | From what I can tell, the event rocked? | 15:25 |
jlaska | adamw: okay, sweet | 15:25 |
jlaska | adamw: any issues or highlights to note here? | 15:26 |
kparal | and the 'most unsatisfied tester prize' wins... kparal. 5 bugs! :o) | 15:26 |
adamw | all went ahead fine | 15:26 |
kparal | (meaning Intel test day) | 15:27 |
jlaska | haha, I like that prize :) | 15:27 |
adamw | it wasn't as busy as the last few, my fault for not promoting more ahead of time; it kind snuck up on me | 15:27 |
adamw | thanks a lot kparal | 15:27 |
jlaska | adamw: cool, feel free to log that or any other thoughts to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_QA_Retrospective | 15:27 |
jlaska | I've got a bullet there for the virt test day as well | 15:28 |
jlaska | #info Oct 07 - Open slot | 15:28 |
jlaska | so no test day planned this week | 15:28 |
jlaska | which is partly why I was thinking about taking our typicaly test day time, and devoting it in some way to working on F-14-Final tests/bugs/$something | 15:28 |
jlaska | #info Oct 14 - OpenLDAP and nss | 15:28 |
jlaska | The wiki appears to be well underway - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-10-14_OpenLDAP/NSS | 15:29 |
kparal | I help with that | 15:29 |
kparal | those guys are pretty active | 15:29 |
kparal | I think all should be prepared well in time | 15:29 |
jlaska | kparal: awesome! Any next steps you want to note? | 15:29 |
jlaska | Are they planning to test-announce and planet.fedoraproject.org the event? | 15:29 |
kparal | I just need to ensure LiveCD can be built and sent out announcements | 15:29 |
jlaska | or should one of us handle that | 15:29 |
jlaska | kparal: oh, it needs a custom live image? | 15:30 |
kparal | may be | 15:30 |
* kparal needs to check out :) | 15:30 | |
jlaska | I actually can build live images now, unlike previously when adamw asked for live image creation help | 15:30 |
adamw | heh | 15:30 |
* adamw can build 32-bit ones now too, whatever the bug was with that, it's fixed | 15:30 | |
jlaska | alright, I think that covers test days | 15:30 |
jlaska | anything else before moving on? (moving in 30 seconds) | 15:31 |
jlaska | alrighty ... | 15:31 |
jlaska | two more topics before open-discussion (autoqa and NTH update) | 15:32 |
jlaska | #topic AutoQA Package Acceptance Update | 15:32 |
jlaska | kparal: I have 2 follow-up items on the list from last week ... do you want to take it away? | 15:32 |
kparal | sure, what are they? | 15:32 |
jlaska | wwoods will also add an rpm test transaction to depcheck to catch file conflicts | 15:33 |
jlaska | jskladan and wwoods investigating mash integration | 15:33 |
kparal | wwoods is out right now, I don't think I have any news about that | 15:33 |
kparal | let's keep it to next time | 15:34 |
jlaska | sounds good | 15:34 |
* jlaska will leave those on the wiki for next week | 15:34 | |
kparal | apart from that, the last week was mainly involved around upgradepath | 15:34 |
kparal | so, we have received some new patches | 15:34 |
kparal | we stopped checking -testing repos, because we're not sure how to do that properly | 15:35 |
kparal | we need to consult with FESCo about it | 15:35 |
kparal | also there were some small fixes and cleanups in upgradepath code | 15:35 |
kparal | I have started a thread about timing-sensitive tests, that will be a main topic soon when we plan to actually use it in production | 15:36 |
kparal | upgradepath is one of them, the other is depcheck | 15:36 |
kparal | as for other new, jlaska posted a few fixes and we received a huge resultsdb patch from jskladan | 15:37 |
jskladan | eh, it was not a patch :-D more of recapitulation of the current state :) | 15:37 |
kparal | #info we stopped checking -testing repos in upgradepath test, because we're not sure how to do that properly - we need to consult FESCo | 15:37 |
kparal | #info we started a thread about timing-sensitive tests - upgradepath and depcheck - how and when to correctly execute them | 15:38 |
jskladan | but sure - currently resultsdb patches for autoqa are waiting to be pushed to master, so we can start storing some test results (together with sending emails to the -results list) | 15:38 |
jskladan | so once there is some reasonable dataset, we can hop into creating frontends | 15:38 |
jskladan | the aforementioned email <https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-September/001187.html> | 15:39 |
jskladan | also describes a 'metadata' proposal | 15:40 |
kparal | #info resultsdb patches for autoqa are waiting to be pushed to master | 15:40 |
jskladan | which can be used to describe testplans in a unanimous way, so we can create a "generic testplan frontend" | 15:40 |
jskladan | which will visualize testplans using the structure defined in the provided metadata | 15:41 |
jskladan | (but that is kind of 'happy future' for now :) ) | 15:41 |
kparal | #info jskladan prepares a way for us to be able to create "generic testplan frontend" | 15:41 |
* jskladan ends the boring monologue | 15:41 | |
kparal | as a side note, in autoqa-devel there is also an ongoing discussion with atodorov how to handle whitelisting of particular lines in rpmlint test case. feel free to join in. | 15:42 |
kparal | that should be all of autoqa I think | 15:42 |
kparal | #topic F-14-NTH (Nice to have) proposal status | 15:42 |
kparal | adamw: you want to say a few words about this? | 15:42 |
adamw | sure | 15:43 |
adamw | not much to say beyond the proposal on the ml, which we've been acting on provisionally | 15:43 |
adamw | if i don't get any more feedback to the mail i'll just go ahead and push the policy, so be warned =) | 15:43 |
kparal | #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-September/093833.html | 15:43 |
adamw | it seems to be working out fine so far, we reviewed and accepted several NTH bugs at the blocker review meetin | 15:44 |
kparal | #info adamw threatens to push the policy, hurry with comments :) | 15:44 |
kparal | ok, thanks adamw | 15:45 |
kparal | #topic Open discussion <your topic here> | 15:45 |
kparal | any proposals for discussion? | 15:45 |
adamw | nothing from me | 15:47 |
* kparal declares this monday as the Sleepy Monday | 15:47 | |
kparal | closing in 1 minute if no other topics | 15:47 |
jlaska | kparal: thanks for driving :) | 15:48 |
kparal | jlaska: you're welcome | 15:48 |
kparal | have a nice day everyone | 15:48 |
kparal | #endmeeting | 15:49 |
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