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- jlaska (65)
- kparal (13)
- fenris02 (5)
- thomasj (2)
- jskladan (2)
- Viking-Ice (2)
- mkrizek (1)
- jsmith (1)
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Agenda
Previous meeting follow-up
- None
F-14 QA Retrospective -- last call
- Owner
- jlaska
- Summary
- Really good list of improvement areas generated so far, but more feedback never hurts.
- While suggestions keep coming, this really is the Last call for feedback on Fedora_14_QA_Retrospective
- Next steps ...
- Organize feedback into recommendations for F-15
QA and Docs team cooperation
Sparks started thinking about ways to increase cooperation between the docs team and QA.
- Owner
- Sparks
- Summary
- Started thinking about ways to increase cooperation between the docs team and QA.
- Next steps ...
- Identify some problems/issues that could have been caught with increased cooperation
- Propose suggestions for addressing concerns identified
AutoQA revisited
- Owner
- kparal
- Summary
- Team getting back into AutoQA after F-14 release
- Draft AutoQA roadmap available at AutoQA_Roadmap
- Next steps ...
- Draft AutoQA roadmap available at AutoQA_Roadmap
- mkrizek working on bodhi comment support for AutoQA tests
Open discussion - <Your topic here>
- No topics suggested
Action items
- None
IRC Transcript
| jlaska | #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting | 16:00 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Mon Nov 15 16:00:01 2010 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 16:00 |
| jlaska | #meetingname fedora-qa | 16:00 |
| zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' | 16:00 |
| jlaska | #topic Gathering | 16:00 |
| * kparal up and running | 16:00 | |
| * fenris02 waves | 16:00 | |
| * thomasj lurking | 16:00 | |
| * Viking-Ice comes charging in armed with bacon.. | 16:00 | |
| * jskladan emerges from the shadows | 16:00 | |
| jlaska | Hi all ... *very* light agenda today http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-November/095558.html | 16:00 |
| jlaska | We'll be without rhe and adamw today | 16:01 |
| jlaska | Howdy kparal fenris02 thomasj Viking-Ice jskladan :) | 16:01 |
| jskladan | jlaska: good as always, hope you're all right too | 16:02 |
| jlaska | okay, will get started in 30 seconds | 16:02 |
| * mkrizek is here | 16:02 | |
| jlaska | jskladan: doing fine ... just the right amount of coffee today :) | 16:02 |
| * jlaska tips hat to mkrizek | 16:02 | |
| * jlaska looks if wwoods is in the shadows that jskladan was lurking in | 16:03 | |
| jlaska | #topic Previous meeting follow-up | 16:04 |
| jlaska | This is a quick one ... I had no recorded action items from last week | 16:04 |
| jlaska | I have a standing item to organize the retrospective feedback, but I'll save that for next | 16:04 |
| jlaska | anything I missed that folks want to hilight from last week? | 16:04 |
| jlaska | if not ... let's dive into the agenda | 16:05 |
| jlaska | #topic F-14 QA Retrospective last call | 16:05 |
| jlaska | I had this there last week ... fully intending to not say much more on the topic | 16:05 |
| jlaska | but we continue to get more feedback | 16:05 |
| jlaska | #link Fedora_14_QA_Retrospective | 16:05 |
| jlaska | As I mentioned earlier, I have an open item to organize this feedback into an actionable list of tasks open to anyone | 16:06 |
| jlaska | For folks who remember, we followed the same process for F-13 ... so there won't be any surprises | 16:06 |
| jlaska | so ... feel free to jot down any more ideas | 16:06 |
| jlaska | A good one landed today from Spot regarding the autoqa 'upgradepath' test | 16:06 |
| jlaska | and running in batch against the release milestones as we did in F-14-Final for repoclosure | 16:07 |
| jlaska | more discussion on the wiki for that | 16:07 |
| kparal | ah, good idea | 16:07 |
| jlaska | certainly only a problem while we're still in the permissive phase of the 'update criteria' tests | 16:07 |
| fenris02 | upgrade from $N-1 or $N-2 or both? | 16:07 |
| jlaska | fenris02: iirc, kparal can correct me, but it will test from N-2 to rawhide | 16:08 |
| jlaska | ensuring that upgradepath in 'updates' is maintained | 16:08 |
| fenris02 | whoah. neat | 16:08 |
| jlaska | it's been running for some time now, and catching failures | 16:08 |
| fenris02 | is it reporting them anywhere? | 16:08 |
| jlaska | but we've only been sending results to autoqa-results@lists.fedorahosted.org | 16:08 |
| * fenris02 nods | 16:08 | |
| jlaska | that will be changing soon ... but mkrizek can talk more about that shortly | 16:08 |
| kparal | upgradepath ensures all the releases are fine at once | 16:09 |
| jlaska | anything else folks want to add on the F14 QA retrospective? | 16:09 |
| jlaska | we've got a lot of good ideas and trouble areas on the wiki | 16:09 |
| jlaska | plenty to build on for F-15 | 16:09 |
| jlaska | #topic QA and Docs team cooperation | 16:10 |
| jlaska | Sparks mentioned this topic last week ... and I neglected to include it in the meeting agenda I sent to the list | 16:10 |
| jlaska | Sparks: around? | 16:10 |
| jlaska | if I understand, his comments were around "testing" of the official release documentation | 16:10 |
| jlaska | I don't know much about testing documentation, other than reading it for accuracy, but perhaps I can pull in some folks who are more skilled in docs verification | 16:11 |
| Viking-Ice | probably means to test whats written | 16:11 |
| jlaska | In a similar context as the qa retrospective, I'd love to learn more about what types of issues/problems surfaced that demand improved QA engagement | 16:12 |
| jlaska | Viking-Ice: yeah, that could very well be it | 16:12 |
| jlaska | iirc, during F-12 (or was it F-11) we had a test event around installation following the posted installation guidelines | 16:12 |
| jlaska | where 'test event' was a request to the list iirc, I could be wrong though | 16:12 |
| jlaska | so anyway ... Sparks & I can catch up more later. But if anyone has ideas on ways to improve this ... toss them into the QA retrospective wiki | 16:13 |
| jlaska | kparal: I was about to jump to open discussion ... but do you want to bring up any AutoQA topics first? | 16:13 |
| kparal | well | 16:14 |
| jlaska | #topic AutoQA revisited | 16:14 |
| kparal | I can announce the roadmap | 16:14 |
| kparal | we try to organize a little better and make even some future plans! | 16:15 |
| kparal | therefore I created AutoQA_Roadmap | 16:15 |
| kparal | it's just a proposal for now. but interested people can have a look at it what features we plan to bring you and when | 16:15 |
| jsmith | Oooh, I like it :-) | 16:16 |
| jlaska | kparal: yeah, nice format | 16:16 |
| jlaska | and that reminds me ... I need to get cracking on packaging 0.4.3 :) | 16:16 |
| kparal | apart from that, mkrizek is working hard on posting bodhi comments from autoqa tests | 16:16 |
| jlaska | kparal: everything is in 'master' that you want, right? | 16:16 |
| kparal | jlaska: correct, I think you can create a release from the current HEAD | 16:17 |
| jlaska | #info Draft AutoQA roadmap available at AutoQA_Roadmap | 16:17 |
| jlaska | #info mkrizek working on bodhi comment support for AutoQA tests | 16:18 |
| kparal | well, that's all for today I think. expect more next week, we are slowly coming into speed :) | 16:18 |
| thomasj | I like your work | 16:19 |
| jlaska | I've got a few thoughts I'm attempting to organize from the installer folks on how we can build some forward momentum around AutoQA and installation testing | 16:19 |
| jlaska | I'm attempting to organize ideas on the wiki ... definitely in draft shape at this point User:Jlaska/Fedora_15_Installation_automation_ideas | 16:20 |
| jlaska | kparal: I don't know about you ... but exciting to have AutoQA back as the focus | 16:21 |
| jlaska | these darn releases are so needy for testing :) | 16:21 |
| kparal | yes, I like working on it again | 16:21 |
| jlaska | Alrighty ... I guess it's open discussion time | 16:21 |
| jlaska | #topic Open Discussion - <your topic here> | 16:22 |
| jlaska | Anything not already discussed that folks would like to bring attention to? | 16:22 |
| * kparal notes: don't be mistaken, we don't create AutoQA so that we can test Fedora. we release Fedora so that we can have something AutoQA can test :) | 16:22 | |
| jlaska | AutoQA is a hungry beast and it needs feeding :) | 16:23 |
| jlaska | alright ... if no other topics ... we'll close out in 2 minutes | 16:24 |
| jlaska | 30 seconds ... <queue jeopardy theme music> | 16:26 |
| jlaska | alright, I think we're done today | 16:27 |
| jlaska | thanks all for your time | 16:27 |
| jlaska | I'll follow-up with minutes to the list later today | 16:27 |
| jlaska | #endmeeting | 16:27 |
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