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- tflink (113)
- adamw (82)
- drago01 (20)
- maxamillion (17)
- kparal (8)
- satellit_ (8)
- nirik (7)
- abadger1999 (6)
- zodbot (3)
- athmane (3)
- jsmith (3)
- jskladan (1)
- pschindl (1)
Agenda
Previous meeting follow-up
- tflink reported that the review of python-yourls is complete and he just needed to do the initial build
- abadger1999 said that the pkgdb/package-specific test case link might not happen for a while if no-one submits a patch, but he would welcome a ticket
- maxamillion filed the ticket during the course of the meeting
Xen Release Criteria
- The group agreed that Xen functionality should not block Beta release, but may block Final release
- It was noted that Xen DomU support may affect EC2 support
Beta Preparation
- This section of the meeting again turned into a beta blocker review meeting: see log for details
Action Items
- tflink to build python-yourls for F15, F16, EL6 and create updates
- maxamillion to follow up with abadger1999 on the idea of linking from pkgdb to the list of package-specific test cases
- maxamillion create ticket for pkgdb to link to package-specific test cases
- tflink to start discussion about Xen DomU for Final Release Criteria
IRC Log
| tflink | #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting | 15:01 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Mon Sep 26 15:01:18 2011 UTC. The chair is tflink. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 15:01 |
| * pschindl is here | 15:01 | |
| tflink | #chair adamw | 15:01 |
| zodbot | Current chairs: adamw tflink | 15:01 |
| tflink | #topic roll call | 15:01 |
| adamw | yo | 15:01 |
| * jskladan lurks from the shadows | 15:01 | |
| tflink | alrighty, who's around for this last-minute meeting? | 15:01 |
| * tflink set a reminder for the announcement for next week | 15:01 | |
| tflink | jskladan, pschindl: welcome | 15:02 |
| tflink | adamw: did you have anything special in mind for an agenda other than followup, beta status and probably a mini-review? | 15:02 |
| * jsmith is here | 15:04 | |
| jsmith | (Lurking, mostly) | 15:04 |
| * nirik is also lurking in the shadows. | 15:04 | |
| * tflink welcomes the shadows of jsmith and nirik | 15:05 | |
| adamw | we could look at the Xen release criterion | 15:05 |
| adamw | as people keep poking me about that | 15:05 |
| tflink | good idea | 15:05 |
| tflink | ok, lets get started | 15:06 |
| tflink | #topic previous meeting followup | 15:06 |
| tflink | first up is "adamw to check in with tflink about python-yourls" | 15:07 |
| tflink | which I don't think happened, but I can update status anyways :) | 15:07 |
| tflink | the review is complete and code is committed, I just need to build packages and create updates | 15:07 |
| tflink | #action tflink to build python-yourls for F15, F16, EL6 and create updates | 15:08 |
| * kparal joins in late | 15:08 | |
| adamw | i think i tried but you weren't on the end of whatever i pinged | 15:08 |
| tflink | next up is "maxamillion to follow up with abadger1999 on the idea of linking from pkgdb to the list of package-specific test cases for a package" | 15:08 |
| adamw | hi kparal | 15:08 |
| * kparal was buying travel adapter for fudcon, sorry | 15:08 | |
| tflink | maxamillion doesn't seem to be here atm | 15:08 |
| adamw | i pinged him in -qa but no reply as yet | 15:10 |
| adamw | abadger1999: has that been followed up on? | 15:10 |
| abadger1999 | nope, hasn't. | 15:10 |
| tflink | so I guess we table this and add another action | 15:10 |
| adamw | 'maxa to really damn well do it this week' | 15:11 |
| abadger1999 | If someone wants to add it as a separate page linked from the package's acl page, I'll take the patch immediately. | 15:11 |
| tflink | #action maxamillion to follow up with abadger1999 on the idea of liking from pkgdb to the list of package-specific test cases | 15:11 |
| abadger1999 | Otherwise I'd est. a year out or so. | 15:11 |
| abadger1999 | I need to coordinate two pkgdb releases this year.. which means lots of coordination and bugfixing will be my priorities. | 15:11 |
| abadger1999 | please open a ticket if no one is working on it here, though -- I do have people who come to me looking for programming tasks and I think this is an intermediate level task so I could give it to one of them. | 15:13 |
| adamw | okay. thanks | 15:13 |
| tflink | #info if package-specific test case linking in pkgdb is desired, someone is going to have to write a patch for it | 15:13 |
| tflink | anyone want to take an action on creating that ticket? | 15:13 |
| * maxamillion is here | 15:14 | |
| tflink | an you already have an #action :) | 15:14 |
| tflink | maxamillion: would you be OK with creating the ticket to have the linking to pkg-specific test cases in pkgdb? | 15:15 |
| tflink | wow, that was oddly worded | 15:15 |
| tflink | ok, no volunteers so it'll be maxamillion or I | 15:16 |
| maxamillion | tflink: sure, I could do that ... not entirely sure where to file the ticket though, just need to track that down | 15:16 |
| * maxamillion goes to the googles | 15:16 | |
| tflink | #action maxamillion create ticket for pkgdb to link to package-specific test cases | 15:16 |
| tflink | ok, I think that's all of the followup from last week | 15:16 |
| tflink | did I miss anything? | 15:16 |
| * tflink assumes that silence means "no" | 15:17 | |
| abadger1999 | maxamillion: https://fedorahosted.org/packagedb/ and target it towards -- someone that I might assign it to that comes to infra looking to help. | 15:17 |
| tflink | #topic Xen Release Criteria | 15:17 |
| maxamillion | abadger1999: ah, rgr .. thanks :D | 15:18 |
| tflink | this came up in the comments for https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=708267 which is currently proposed as a F16 beta blocker | 15:18 |
| tflink | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=708267 | 15:18 |
| adamw | soo...we currently have Beta release criterion which reads "The release must boot successfully as a virtual guest in a situation where the virtual host is running a supported Xen implementation" | 15:18 |
| tflink | I thought that was something that came from infra | 15:19 |
| adamw | afaict this criterion is sort of a vestigial tail of the criteria: it was request by jesse at the time, and so we think there was something in releng/infra back then which actually needed xen to work | 15:19 |
| tflink | since they're still running Xen AFAIK | 15:19 |
| adamw | that's what we think | 15:19 |
| adamw | i went and asked jesse and the current releng team if they think we should still have it, and they said no | 15:20 |
| * nirik notes xen is still in use, but with no fedora guests. Our fedora compose box is bare hw. | 15:20 | |
| adamw | i haven't checked with infra (yet) | 15:20 |
| * tflink has F15 DomUs running, doesn't quite understand the problem | 15:20 | |
| adamw | so, i'm planning to propose we drop the criterion | 15:20 |
| adamw | tflink: as in, the bug? let's not get off track if possible =) the question isn't whether it works right now, but whether it needs to be in the beta criteia | 15:21 |
| adamw | criteria* | 15:21 |
| tflink | the only objection I have to that is that Dom0 is a F16 feature | 15:21 |
| maxamillion | tflink: +1 | 15:21 |
| adamw | feature process isn't blocker process, we already established that. =) | 15:21 |
| maxamillion | ah | 15:21 |
| maxamillion | crap ... rbb | 15:21 |
| maxamillion | brb* | 15:22 |
| tflink | it seems odd that we would advertize the ability to run Fedora as Dom0 but not support DomU | 15:22 |
| nirik | so, change it for f17 to be 'must boot as a guest in a fedora dom0' ? | 15:22 |
| adamw | tflink: minus ten points for using the S word! | 15:22 |
| adamw | the concept of 'support' is so vague as to be unhelpful, really, and the release criteria are certainly not an exhaustive list of everything fedora could be said to 'support' in some sense | 15:22 |
| adamw | the release criteria are supposed to be the stuff that absolutely needs to be working for us to consider the release, well, releasable | 15:23 |
| tflink | either way, I'm not sure that Xen DomU needs to be a beta criterion | 15:23 |
| adamw | do we really think we should slip the release another week if Xen support isn't working? | 15:23 |
| adamw | is the essential question | 15:23 |
| * nirik doesn't. | 15:23 | |
| tflink | for beta, probably not | 15:24 |
| * athmane thinks that xen domu support is NTH | 15:24 | |
| tflink | for final, maybe | 15:24 |
| adamw | okay | 15:25 |
| tflink | using the same argument that we have for live images - if people are installing from DVD media, its harder to work around installation issues | 15:25 |
| * adamw doesn't quite follow the parallel | 15:25 | |
| tflink | if creating a Xen DomU from DVD media fails, how do you update to fix that? | 15:25 |
| adamw | oh, i see. reasonable point. | 15:26 |
| adamw | so, let's say we all agree it's not Beta material, but it's not clear whether it should be final material or not | 15:26 |
| tflink | yeah, that works for me | 15:26 |
| adamw | and we can discuss further on the list? | 15:26 |
| maxamillion | back | 15:26 |
| maxamillion | +1 for not beta | 15:27 |
| athmane | also we don't have a working dom0 in fedora to test (unlike kvm) | 15:27 |
| tflink | proposed #agreed - Xen DomU Beta release criterion was rejected, unclear on whether or not DomU should be a final criterion, will discuss more on list | 15:27 |
| tflink | athmane: supposedly it works in F16 | 15:27 |
| tflink | #agreed - Xen DomU Beta release criterion was rejected, unclear on whether or not DomU should be a final criterion, will discuss more on list | 15:28 |
| * nirik notes that ec2 stuff is dom0 right? so that might affect that part of the compose for final? | 15:28 | |
| tflink | nirik: good point | 15:29 |
| tflink | #action tflink to start discussion about Xen DomU for Final Release Criteria | 15:29 |
| tflink | #info EC2 is Xen, DomU support may affect EC2 support | 15:29 |
| maxamillion | athmane: we don't? I thought that stuff was merged upstream into the 3.0.x kernel line | 15:30 |
| * maxamillion hasn't tested it though ... so ... :/ | 15:30 | |
| nirik | yeah, it's supposed to work... dunno if anyone has tested it much. | 15:30 |
| maxamillion | I plan to test this week | 15:30 |
| * tflink hasn't heard a whole lot on the xen list | 15:30 | |
| tflink | fedora-xen, rather | 15:30 |
| tflink | any other thoughts before we move on? | 15:31 |
| maxamillion | it might be a bit late but I might post to the fedora virtualization test day wiki page but note that I tested Xen instead of KVM | 15:31 |
| nirik | There was one tester a few weeks ago running into issues, but dunno if they got it working or not. ;( | 15:31 |
| athmane | Xen Pvops Dom0 feature seems to be at 75% | 15:31 |
| maxamillion | athmane: well, that's what the wiki page says anyways ... but I wouldn't be surprised if that was out of date | 15:32 |
| tflink | the last message I'm seeing on fedora-xen sounds like it's farther along than 75% | 15:32 |
| tflink | we'll see what happens | 15:33 |
| tflink | #topic Beta Preparation | 15:33 |
| tflink | #info Fedora 16 Beta RC2 was released last friday | 15:33 |
| tflink | the install and desktop test matrices look decent, still a couple of holes | 15:34 |
| tflink | 4 bugs were (re) proposed as blockers over the weekend | 15:35 |
| adamw | yeah, we need some coverage, but no obvious showstoppers seem to have emerged | 15:35 |
| tflink | other than nfs installs? | 15:35 |
| tflink | wait, 5 bugs, I missed one | 15:36 |
| tflink | well, sounds like time for a mini-review before we call this meeting over | 15:37 |
| tflink | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers | 15:37 |
| tflink | #topic (741211) "save traceback to bugzilla" test doesn't work when using randomize_tb to create a new bug | 15:37 |
| tflink | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741211 | 15:37 |
| adamw | oh, not that fucking one again. | 15:38 |
| tflink | is this really distribution? | 15:38 |
| tflink | I thought that we fixed this already | 15:38 |
| adamw | this is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=730887 | 15:39 |
| kparal | maybe the updates.img contains bad code? | 15:39 |
| tflink | adamw: that was libreport | 15:39 |
| adamw | looks like the same problem again. | 15:39 |
| tflink | regression from the last libreport update? | 15:40 |
| adamw | possibly. | 15:40 |
| tflink | proposed #agreed - 741221 - AcceptedBlocker - The installer must be able to report failures to Bugzilla, with appropriate information included | 15:40 |
| tflink | ack/nak/patch? | 15:40 |
| adamw | yeah, looks ack-y. | 15:41 |
| adamw | and re-assign to libreport. | 15:41 |
| * satellit_ in RC-2 Beta netinstall -last night-I was not able to send bug to bugzilla I could only save bug results locally. (gnome 3.1.92) | 15:41 | |
| tflink | proposed #agreed - 741221 - AcceptedBlocker - The installer must be able to report failures to Bugzilla, with appropriate information included. This needs to be re-assigned to libreport | 15:41 |
| kparal | +1 | 15:41 |
| tflink | #agreed - 741221 - AcceptedBlocker - The installer must be able to report failures to Bugzilla, with appropriate information included. This needs to be re-assigned to libreport | 15:42 |
| tflink | #topic (737093) [abrt] gjs-1.29.17-1.fc16: strcmp: Process /usr/bin/gjs-console was killed by signal 11 (SIGSEGV) | 15:42 |
| tflink | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=737093 | 15:42 |
| adamw | this is what happens when we take new upstreams as nth. grmph | 15:43 |
| adamw | looks like they dropped all patches when bumping to 2.0.5.980 but that one got lost upstream... | 15:44 |
| * satellit_ https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=737093#c11 | 15:44 | |
| kparal | satellit_: netinstall probably installed newer version from updates-testing | 15:45 |
| satellit_ | it worked | 15:45 |
| tflink | what is the documents favorite? | 15:45 |
| adamw | gnome-documents | 15:45 |
| adamw | new app | 15:45 |
| adamw | the easy fix for this is just to not have it in the Dash in beta | 15:45 |
| adamw | i meant to propose this and get it fixed ahead of rc2 but forgot :( | 15:45 |
| * tflink doesn't see it in RC2 live | 15:45 | |
| adamw | anyone see it in rc2 dvd? | 15:46 |
| adamw | if not, we're good... | 15:46 |
| satellit_ | yes but it fails | 15:46 |
| tflink | nvm, it's there but just not on the favorites panel | 15:46 |
| adamw | tflink: no, that matters | 15:46 |
| tflink | and it crashes for me\ | 15:46 |
| adamw | it's only a beta blocker if it's on the Dash by default | 15:46 |
| adamw | which I think is what you're calling the 'favorites' | 15:47 |
| adamw | if it's only there by browsing through or searching the whole set of applications, it's a final blocker, not beta | 15:47 |
| tflink | whatever the bar is that gets the apps added as "favorites" (far left in overview) | 15:47 |
| adamw | right - which has, like, Firefox, install to hard disk, nautilus and whatever else as default, right? | 15:47 |
| adamw | if that doesn't have Documents on it, we're good | 15:48 |
| * tflink realizes that he's missing a lot of terms for gnome-shell | 15:48 | |
| tflink | yeah, by default it has ff, evolution, rhythmbox, shotwell, files and install | 15:48 |
| tflink | so -1 beta blocker, +1 final blocker for me | 15:48 |
| adamw | for beta we only require 'elements of the default panel configuration' to work without crashimg | 15:49 |
| drago01 | the "bar" is called "dash" | 15:49 |
| adamw | (i'd count the Dash in that as it basically replaces the quick launchers in an old panel) | 15:49 |
| adamw | for final we require any app present on the menu system by default to at least pass a smell test | 15:49 |
| drago01 | whats the bug? (sorry just joined) | 15:49 |
| adamw | gnome-documents insta-crashing | 15:49 |
| drago01 | ah ok | 15:50 |
| adamw | it's a fairly well known bug, but as long as it's not in Dash by default in Beta, we're okay. | 15:50 |
| tflink | proposed #agreed - 737093 - RejectedBetaBlocker, AcceptedFinalBlocker - gnome-documents isn't on the dash for Beta RC2 and therefore crashing isn't a beta blocker. However, it does hit the final criterion - "All applications listed under the Applications menu or category must withstand a basic functionality test and not crash after a few minutes of normal use. They must also have working Help and Help -> About menu items " | 15:50 |
| tflink | ack/nak/patch? | 15:50 |
| drago01 | it should be ... (it is in the upstream default dash) | 15:50 |
| jsmith | ACK | 15:50 |
| kparal | ack | 15:50 |
| drago01 | wait | 15:51 |
| drago01 | it is supposed to be in the dash by default (if it isn't it is just a bug or an outdated shell build) | 15:51 |
| drago01 | what do we ship in the beta? | 15:51 |
| adamw | drago01: 'outdated shell build', most likely | 15:51 |
| adamw | beta does not have 3.1.92 and isn't going to be | 15:51 |
| tflink | drago01: it isn't on the dash for the beta RC2 image I'm running | 15:52 |
| tflink | running gnome-shell-3.1.91-2 | 15:52 |
| drago01 | adamw: ok | 15:52 |
| drago01 | tflink: should be in 3.1.90 | 15:53 |
| adamw | pretty sure it wasn't. | 15:53 |
| drago01 | http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/commit/?id=0133c6e174e705865adf97ed8cce11581d783c49 | 15:54 |
| satellit_ | adamw: I do have it here on DVD RC2 Beta install to HD done last night 3.1.91 | 15:54 |
| adamw | satellit_: network repo enabled or not? | 15:55 |
| adamw | ah. | 15:55 |
| drago01 | it would only not show up when 1) gnome-documents isn't installed or 2) update from previous build and same user | 15:55 |
| adamw | i think we override the list in the live image | 15:55 |
| satellit_ | only DVD as repo | 15:55 |
| adamw | but not on the DVD | 15:55 |
| adamw | fedora-live-desktop.ks:favorite-apps=['mozilla-firefox.desktop', 'evolution.desktop', 'empathy.desktop', 'rhythmbox.desktop', 'shotwell.desktop', 'openoffice.org-writer.desktop', 'nautilus.desktop', 'anaconda.desktop'] | 15:55 |
| adamw | so if it's there in a DVD install...blocker. | 15:55 |
| drago01 | ah that explains it | 15:55 |
| adamw | well, this is going to be funsies to fix. | 15:56 |
| * kparal will be back in 5 | 15:56 | |
| tflink | I thought that the proposed fix was to just not have it on the dash for beta? | 15:57 |
| adamw | tflink: yeah, but it'll be a bit tricky logistically | 15:57 |
| satellit_ | someone else has confirmed this ? on HD install | 15:57 |
| adamw | as that will require a gnome-shell build lower than 3.1.92 | 15:57 |
| * tflink can do an RC2 install in a bit | 15:57 | |
| adamw | satellit_: it sounds right: it's kinda what we'd expect | 15:57 |
| satellit_ | ok | 15:58 |
| drago01 | "remove from beta and add it later" isn't a fix imo | 15:58 |
| drago01 | the beta should be as close to final as possible | 15:58 |
| adamw | drago01: that's not practical. it'd never be done. | 15:58 |
| drago01 | good | 15:58 |
| adamw | as in, we would never be able to ship the beta. have you seen the delta of f16 'stable' vs. updates-testing atm>? | 15:59 |
| tflink | proposed #agreed - 737093 - AcceptedBlocker - gnome-documents is on the dash by default for dvd installs and hits the beta criterion "No part of any release-blocking desktop's panel (or equivalent) configuration should crash or be entirely non-functional on boot of the installed system using default installation choices" | 15:59 |
| drago01 | adamw: no but I suspect it be rather large by now | 15:59 |
| adamw | drago01: right. if we were trying to put all that stuff in the beta, it'd just be impossible. we have to freeze. the freeze periods have already been pared to the bone. | 16:00 |
| adamw | tflink: ack | 16:00 |
| drago01 | adamw: my point was not "add everything from updates testing" but rather "don't pull random stuff out and add it post beta" | 16:01 |
| tflink | drago01: other suggestions that don't involve pulling in a new gnome-shell et. al.? | 16:01 |
| tflink | any other votes on the changed proposal? | 16:02 |
| drago01 | tflink: ping cosimoc / walters re gnome-documents crash and see whether it can be fixed in time or not | 16:02 |
| adamw | drago01: it's not 'random stuff'. it's stuff that break the beta criteria. | 16:02 |
| tflink | #info ping cosimoc / walters re gnome-documents crash and see whether it can be fixed in time or not | 16:03 |
| drago01 | adamw: also instead of doing hack builds ... you could just remove gnome-documents from the default install | 16:03 |
| adamw | that were mostly written by the desktop team in the first place, and that dictate what's supposed to go into the release. | 16:03 |
| drago01 | (no conflict with updates-testing etc( | 16:03 |
| adamw | drago01: yeah, that was what i just thought too. | 16:03 |
| tflink | #agreed - 737093 - AcceptedBlocker - gnome-documents is on the dash by default for dvd installs and hits the beta criterion "No part of any release-blocking desktop's panel (or equivalent) configuration should crash or be entirely non-functional on boot of the installed system using default installation choices" | 16:03 |
| tflink | #topic (708267) Fedora 15 cannot install as a DomU, Fails to find hard disk virtual device | 16:04 |
| tflink | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=708267 | 16:04 |
| tflink | since we talked about Xen earlier ... | 16:05 |
| tflink | proposed #agreed - 708267 - RejectedBlocker - Xen DomU support is no longer a Beta criterion, will revisit if/when DomU support is accepted as a Final criterion | 16:06 |
| adamw | ack | 16:07 |
| tflink | it got quiet in here all of a sudden | 16:07 |
| tflink | #agreed - 708267 - RejectedBlocker - Xen DomU support is no longer a Beta criterion, will revisit if/when DomU support is accepted as a Final criterion | 16:07 |
| adamw | i think people are staging a silent protest against >1hr meetings =) | 16:08 |
| maxamillion | Re: pkgdb test case action item --> https://fedorahosted.org/packagedb/ticket/223 | 16:08 |
| * tflink proposes that we forgo discussion of the 2 re-opened blockers | 16:09 | |
| tflink | in the meeting, anyways | 16:09 |
| tflink | maxamillion: thanks for the update | 16:10 |
| adamw | tflink: fine by me | 16:10 |
| adamw | actually... | 16:10 |
| adamw | on the nfs ISO one, we probably need a bit more testing | 16:10 |
| maxamillion | tflink: certainly, sorry for the delay ... I'm attempting to multitask and hitting a lot of context switching overhead :X | 16:11 |
| tflink | maxamillion: no worries | 16:11 |
| tflink | adamw: I can try that out today | 16:11 |
| adamw | tflink: awesome, thanks | 16:11 |
| tflink | other than that ... | 16:12 |
| adamw | i'm gonna work the new acceptedblockers | 16:12 |
| tflink | #topic Open Discussion | 16:12 |
| tflink | adamw: are you playing secretary or am I? | 16:12 |
| tflink | #info pkgdb test case action item --> https://fedorahosted.org/packagedb/ticket/223 | 16:12 |
| adamw | tflink: i've done a few | 16:12 |
| tflink | ok, since pretty much everyone has disappeared ... fuse set for 2 minutes | 16:13 |
| kparal | not disappeared, just switched to read-only mode :) | 16:14 |
| tflink | kparal: will keep that in mind next time we need ack/vote :) | 16:15 |
| tflink | ok, thanks for coming everyone! | 16:15 |
| * tflink will send out minutes shortly | 16:15 | |
| tflink | #endmeeting | 16:15 |
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