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Fedora Education SIG Meeting 5th June 2009
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Meeting Minutes
| sdziallas | okay folks, it's time on my watch, so let's get this started! :) | |
| sdziallas | how about a quick roll call? | |
| KarlieRobinson | Karlie Robinson | |
| * walterbender is me | ||
| * gregdek is here | ||
| * mchua is Mel Chua | ||
| rdieter | Rex Dieter | |
| * warren Warren Togami | ||
| * sdziallas is Sebastian Dziallas and happy to have so many people around here :) | ||
| * walterbender is happy ot have sdziallas around :) | ||
| sdziallas | heh. ;) | |
| * KarlieRobinson is here because of a shout on another IRC room | ||
| KarlieRobinson | I didn't know about the meeting until then. So consider me lurking | |
| sdziallas | Well, we're going to release a Fedora Education Spin with F11 (wiki page is here: Education_Spin). Now I guess it's a good time to discuss how to move on for F12. | |
| sdziallas | This F11 spin is probably not more than "take this live disk, give it a try and see all those great educational apps". It allows people to get a test drive. But it's definitely not a complete solution. | |
| sdziallas | So I'd like to talk about goals. | |
| warren | how big is hte edu spin? | |
| warren | https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/ | |
| sdziallas | warren: it's 620 MB right now... | |
| warren | perhaps K12's spin has different goals | |
| warren | they're aiming for about 1.5GB for live image | |
| rdieter | sdziallas: what would you say has been the level of interest or feedback on the edu spin, say for F-10 and/or F-11? | |
| * sdziallas thinks that it might be cool to have a complete educational solution "based on Fedora" | ||
| warren | K12Linux Fedora 11 will be standard live GNOME + openoffice + educational apps + LTSP server/client stack | |
| walterbender | warren: any reason not to add a Sugar session option to the K12Linux spin? | |
| sdziallas | rdieter: for F-10, I haven't heard a lot. For F-11, hanthana has been doing great work to promote it. I think our F-11 spin is a good improvement from F-10. | |
| warren | walterbender: it never used to work in the past, does it work now? | |
| warren | walterbender: haven't tried it since F-10 beta days | |
| walterbender | also, in terms of overall goals, is there a school server/school admin strategy as part of the Fedora suite? | |
| warren | walterbender: does sugar have any "logout" option? | |
| walterbender | warren: for you, we could add it :) | |
| sdziallas | warren: yup, "gconftool-2 --direct --config-source=xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults -s -t bool /desktop/sugar/show_logout true >/dev/null" | |
| warren | in the LTSP model every student has their own account | |
| walterbender | warren: there is an open ticket already... | |
| * hanthana is here | ||
| * mchua is confused which agenda point we're on, exactly | ||
| walterbender | warren: in Sugar, every student has their own account too | |
| sdziallas | mchua: yup, you're right. sorry... | |
| warren | I think K12 is sufficiently different to have a different spin. | |
| sdziallas | mchua: this should be F11 and major ideas for F12 | |
| warren | The LTSP bits are CONFUSING if you don | |
| warren | don't want it | |
| warren | but K12 can use Fedora Edu's list of edu packages | |
| warren | K12's group is struggling to define the list of edu packages | |
| warren | partly because they're a bunch of morons | |
| warren | ... | |
| sdziallas | heh ;) | |
| rdieter | and likely everyone wants something different? | |
| warren | including a pony | |
| warren | "let's pull things from suse's build service" | |
| hanthana | sdziallas: there is a requirement of python from local school | |
| * mchua is new to the edu sig - is our goal to make fedora useful to teachers (using it personally, using it in classrooms/labs?) individual students? entire institutions? at the k12 level, or focused on post-secondary? | ||
| sdziallas | hanthana: it should be already included... | |
| walterbender | hanthana: even if there wasn't we should provide a friendly Python environment for schools | |
| sdziallas | mchua: I guess that's what we're trying to figure out. It sounds like half-starting from scratch. Before, we had stated that... | |
| hanthana | sdziallas: cool, i didn't check it during the demo | |
| warren | sdziallas: anyway, please talk to the folks on k12osn | |
| sdziallas | mchua: teachers and students should be able to download a spin and get a look at the various educational applications around. | |
| hanthana | walterbender: python is a part of school syllabus here | |
| mchua | As a strawman, what I would personally love to see (and will explain why in a moment) is a post-secondary-focused spin where the use case is professors hand out disks to their students at the start of term and say "We're using this environment for this class; please install." | |
| walterbender | hanthana: should be everywhere :) | |
| warren | mchua: k12linux.org is a bit different, it is meant as an installer to deploy networks of LTSP thin clients, for schools mainly | |
| hanthana | :) | |
| sdziallas | mchua: we agreed that it didn't made sense to include everything, so we didn't want to clutter the spin and decided to include some apps we thought to be suitable. | |
| sdziallas | warren: this makes sense to me, will do! | |
| hanthana | warren: k12osn means the LTSP ? | |
| warren | hanthana: sort of | |
| walterbender | it would be great to leverage the momentum of the k12linux efforts in LTSP | |
| warren | k12osn is full of educators | |
| warren | many use LTSP there, but not all | |
| hanthana | warren: okay | |
| walterbender | we have too few resources there right now in the Sugar world | |
| warren | note that Red Hat based LTSP has been strong since ~2002 | |
| mchua | So, target user base being college students in (not-necessarily-edu-dept) classes interested in education, who want to tour/demo/contribute to education efforts as part of their coursework. | |
| warren | and today there are far more seats of LTSP Linux desktops in schools around the world than any other Linux | |
| walterbender | warren: let me rephrase my question from earlier: where are the RH efforts in terms of school administrative tools? | |
| mchua | For instance, the Math4 class (which KarlieRobinson can talk about) would be the perfect user group. | |
| warren | walterbender: there are none | |
| sdziallas | mchua: that makes some sense! | |
| * KarlieRobinson wakes up | ||
| sdziallas | mchua: and recruiting and gaining users / gathering feedback should also be on our todo-list ;) | |
| walterbender | warren: something to think about... a RH integrated solution... | |
| hanthana | guys, i need a small help, i need few points for 'why Fedora Edu Spin not Kubuntu' | |
| walterbender | warren: that could use LTSP or LiveUSB or whatever | |
| warren | walterbender: I tried to convince people, but there's no business model around it so they don't care. | |
| mchua | With the long-term goal of the SIG to be "let's highlight/improve/evangelize/help users implement in schools/etc the edu packages available in Fedora," and the short term goal of the f12 spin to be "give ourselves tools to do so." | |
| sdziallas | walterbender: as soon as I can get my hands on RHEL 6, I wanted to build Sugar for that. | |
| walterbender | warren: there will be a business model... | |
| warren | walterbender: the thing is, LTSP is ancient legacy technology, still very useful, but much better stuff is coming. | |
| walterbender | warren: but maybe not very big in the short term... | |
| warren | walterbender: long story | |
| sdziallas | mchua: +100 :) that should be noted, I guess! | |
| walterbender | warren: we have two issues with Sugar... | |
| warren | I don't care, frankly. | |
| * mchua notes that there are multiple conversations in this room right now - sdziallas, should we put walterbender and warren on talking about sugar/ltsp first, then go on to the other topics? | ||
| walterbender | (1) supporting the infrastructure, which RH can excel at | |
| sdziallas | mchua: sounds good to me, if that's fine with everybody (and fits into people's schedule) | |
| warren | I am here only to point out that this group should talk to the much larger existing educator group. | |
| warren | They lack leadership | |
| warren | but they are thriving | |
| walterbender | and (2) supporting pedagogy, which our mutual communities of teachers can help with | |
| walterbender | mchua: sorry. I thought the topic was general definition of goals | |
| * walterbender will sit back and listen for a while | ||
| warren | walterbender: I've been reassigned and must work on non-edu things. | |
| * hanthana wait till end of meeting :) | ||
| mchua | walterbender: no, no, sorry, it is (I think) but I was just getting confused about what everyone was talking about | |
| KarlieRobinson | me too | |
| * mchua posts sdziallas's agenda, for reference | ||
| mchua | * the F11 EDU spin and mainly our plans for F12 (application discussion) | |
| * collaboration with POSSE, but also projects such as SugarLabs & OLPC | ||
| * how to promote the spin to make people aware of it | ||
| * other ideas, at least if you come up with them ;) | ||
| mchua | sdziallas: what other topics do we have to add to that list given what everyone's just talked about now? | |
| sdziallas | mchua: thanks! (I should have done so before, I guess) | |
| mchua | I see hanthana with a "explain the difference between fedora spin and kubuntu" item | |
| warren | how soon will the F11 edu spin package list be ready? | |
| warren | I can reuse your list | |
| mchua | and warren with a "there's another edu group in fedora, we should do something with them" item | |
| sdziallas | mchua: I guess it basically means that we should raise the second part of the second point: relationship and cooperation with other projects | |
| * sdziallas nods | ||
| mchua | and... yeah, I think that's all, but I'd split the "collaborate with POSSE/SL/OLPC" into 3 separate agenda items. | |
| hanthana | guys pls pay more attention on Edu Sin marketing | |
| hanthana | kids like stickers, etc | |
| * hanthana away | ||
| sdziallas | warren: the one for the F11 edu spin is probably not enough. I wanted to raise the app discussion, too, so that goes into that direction, I suppose... | |
| warren | sdziallas: they're talking about that RIGHT NOW on their list | |
| sdziallas | mchua: splitting it makes sense | |
| warren | sdziallas: if you introduce your team on their list, state that the two spins have differnet goals | |
| warren | or they will be confused | |
| * hanthana is back | ||
| sdziallas | warren: I've been subscribed for rather some time to K12 Linux Devel | |
| warren | sdziallas: that's a different list | |
| sdziallas | warren: this is now k12osn list? | |
| sdziallas | warren: ahh, I see. | |
| mchua | ok - I tried to edit the agenda to reflect the discussion in this channel so far | |
| * the F11 EDU spin and mainly our plans for F12 (application discussion) | ||
| * collaboration with POSSE | ||
| * collaboration with Sugar Labs | ||
| * collaboration with OLPC | ||
| * collaboration with existing k12osn interest group (what is the difference between them and us?) | ||
| * how to promote the spin to make people aware of it | ||
| o explain the difference between fedora spin and kubuntu | ||
| mchua | anything missing or should we start going through this? | |
| sdziallas | warren: sounds like I should prepare a post to it after the meeting... | |
| sdziallas | mchua: this sounds very good to me! | |
| hanthana | mchua: feed back mechanism from end user | |
| warren | mchua: k12osn uses the same edu apps, but they mostly use it on LTSP terminal servers and thin clients, but they would be interested in Edu spin as well for non-thin client uses. | |
| mchua | hanthana: added to wiki under "how to promote the spin" agenda item. yay! | |
| * KarlieRobinson will be right back I need to prepare a package for Linus Torvalds father - extra psyched | ||
| hanthana | mchua: okay :D | |
| mchua | sdziallas, take it away! | |
| sdziallas | mchua: thanks :) | |
| sdziallas | starting from the top, I suppose... | |
| sdziallas | goals for the F12 Edu spin: I liked mchua's declaration from above... | |
| sdziallas | <mchua> With the long-term goal of the SIG to be "let's highlight/improve/evangelize/help users implement in schools/etc the edu packages available in Fedora," and the short term goal of the f12 spin to be "give ourselves tools to do so." | |
| KarlieRobinson | Sorry I have to go. My Disk jockey is having a fit about creating a disc for Linux Royalty | |
| KarlieRobinson | Bye all | |
| sdziallas | KarlieRobinson: oh... okay, see you soon! | |
| walterbender | KarlieRobinson: ciao | |
| <-- KarlieRobinson (n=karlie@webpath.net) hat #fedora-edu verlassen | ||
| mchua | yeah, so, proposed f12 spin user base being professors teaching (not-necessarily-edu-dept) classes interested in education, who want students in their classes to tour/demo/contribute to education efforts as part of their coursework. | |
| mchua | (noting that "education efforts" == stuff like Sugar.) | |
| mchua | (And yes, I have specific users in mind who want to do this with their classes, hence the proposal.) | |
| rdieter | mchua: yay, a concrete use-case for real people. win! | |
| mchua | my hope would be that after the f12 spin, if we're successful, we start working the age of the intended user base down | |
| * gregdek goes to get food before a 1pm meeting, but lurks. | ||
| mchua | making it easy for, say, high school classes to use the edu spin to contribute to the edu sig... then middle school.... then elementary... | |
| mchua | (er, that would probably be over the span of multiple releases. this is something like a 2-year operation, at the least.) | |
| mchua | but to start with unis since that's what I see as really easy to reach right now. | |
| mchua | a lot more curricular freedom to do projects there than in k12. | |
| mchua | er... I am talking too much. Thoughts? Amendments, criticisms to proposal? | |
| * rdieter cheers mchua , you're on a roll. go go go. :) | ||
| sdziallas | mchua: I feel like this is what we really need. It's a clear goal, a target group... great stuff! :) | |
| mchua | warren in particular, I'm kinda curious whether this duplicates work the k12 group is already doing, since I didn't know about it until you mentioned it in-channel. | |
| * mchua is new to all this! learning on the job w00t! | ||
| warren | mchua: not excatly | |
| mchua | sdziallas: should we set that as at least a strawman target/goal for the f12 spin? I don't know how the decisionmaking-ness works in this sig yet. | |
| mchua | warren: "not exactly" also means "actually yeah, it duplicates a little bit"? | |
| warren | mchua: k12osn is the user list. k12linux.org is the development project, which is almost dead now. feature goals met, and I had to move on to other things. I only spin new releases when there are new fedora. | |
| warren | mchua: k12osn user list lacks leadership | |
| warren | Fedora Edu could provide that. | |
| mchua | warren: k12osn list has k12 teachers on it, then? | |
| sdziallas | mchua: if nobody objects (we can vote on that, if people want to), I guess we can go with it! | |
| warren | mchua: many | |
| mchua | warren: AWESOME. | |
| warren | mchua: globally too | |
| mchua | basically, a ready-made list of users for *our* users to work with. | |
| mchua | "hey guys, here's the f12 spin so you can make stuff for the people on the k12osn list." | |
| mchua | "we are your toolmakers. please tell us what you need so you can get those teachers what *they* need." | |
| warren | big problem with k12osn is the lack of leadership, people have very different ideas of what should be | |
| warren | thus lots of ponies | |
| warren | pink pony | |
| warren | purple pony | |
| sdziallas | mchua: yay! :) that's what I've been thinking of... | |
| warren | 50 ft tall pony | |
| sdziallas | we should call mizmo for the pink pony ;) | |
| mchua | flaming pony! | |
| warren | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXoYK4b_q24 | |
| * mchua eyes burn | ||
| warren | gregdek: maybe keeping fedora-education-list dead is a better idea | |
| warren | gregdek: and instead impose direction and leadership on k12osn | |
| warren | gregdek: it didn't work to fork k12osn in these past years | |
| * sdziallas notes the f12 goal and... suggests moving on to our collaboration topics (including k12osn) | ||
| mchua | sdziallas: +1 | |
| sdziallas | sounds good? here we go: | |
| sdziallas | collaboration with POSSE (http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_2009) | |
| sdziallas | I firmly believe that this is a great project, and that it might help us to gather feedback from teachers involved in giving CS courses. | |
| sdziallas | So I'd love to see some cooperation here! | |
| sdziallas | Maybe we could get some feedback from them before and work on a special spin to fit their needs, so that they could continue to use a Fedora Edu Spin when returning from POSSE... | |
| mchua | that's what I was hoping. :) | |
| hanthana | ! | |
| sdziallas | hanthana: yup? | |
| hanthana | sdziallas: recently mozilla did a regional wise survey | |
| hanthana | can we do such a thingy for Edu Spin | |
| * walterbender has to disappear for a few hours... | ||
| hanthana | eof | |
| mchua | hanthana: well, if the posse group is our f12 target base, it's only 8 professors so we can actually interview them all. | |
| sdziallas | walterbender: okay... see you later :) | |
| walterbender | mchua: see you tomorrow :) | |
| mchua | walterbender: yep! | |
| mchua | my usual strategy is to make things for a concrete small group that's asking us to make stuff for them, and then once they're successful use the success stories to say "hey and more people want to adapt this to fit them, right?" | |
| hanthana | walterbender: have a nice day! | |
| mchua | (instead of designing for a huge but vague user group that may not use what we are making.) | |
| sdziallas | mchua: posse seems to be quite ideal as a user group, as those teachers seem to be already rather interested (if they weren't, they wouldn't have signed up, right?) ;) | |
| mchua | hanthana: I think it would be a great thing to bundle a survey with the completed f12 spin, though, like "here's the first version of what we have, how can we make it better for you, what are your demographics?" | |
| mchua | hanthana: do you think that would work? | |
| mchua | sdziallas: exactly! | |
| mchua | sdziallas: *and* we have them captive audiences for a week. | |
| sdziallas | mchua: yeah! :) did I already say I like the concept? I did... | |
| hanthana | mchua: yeah | |
| mchua | sdziallas: *and* they will be needing projects to work on for that week (to learn how to contribute to OSS projects themselves) *and* they will be needing projects for their students to help with over the next school year. | |
| sdziallas | mchua: where they could possibly use our special spin... | |
| mchua | right-o. | |
| mchua | so, I guess what I was hoping for the POSSE agenda item was to say "yeah, these 8 professors will be our first target users." | |
| mchua | the tricky part is that we have to get them CDs by July 19. | |
| mchua | Which is when POSSE meets. | |
| mchua | I don't know how much work goes into making a spin but that seems like a potentially aggressive schedule to me. | |
| sdziallas | mchua: I'll +1 this plan. | |
| sdziallas | mchua: that's possible. maybe we should draft up a roadmap in the wiki? or at least talk about one? | |
| hanthana | +1 | |
| sdziallas | mchua: I wanted to say: it's possible to realize this! | |
| mchua | re: roadmap - cool! yeah, want to do that right after this meeting? | |
| sdziallas | mchua: yup, sounds good to me! :) | |
| mchua | sdziallas: cool, what's next? | |
| sdziallas | next topic: collaboration with sugarlabs! | |
| sdziallas | in fact, this basically brings us to the question whether a possible should contain Sugar, I'd say. | |
| sdziallas | If we want to get people involved in educational efforts, this would be a good guess, I'd say. | |
| mchua | Personally, I'd like that. I don't know how much effort that would take, but I'd like that... it's an easy entry project for any CS class (just write a python game). | |
| mchua | is anyone willing to do (or already doing) the "get sugar into f12 spin" work? | |
| sdziallas | mchua: I agree. And it's already - as a test drive - in the edu spin... not much work, I can do so. | |
| mchua | (If someone can teach me, I'd offer to do it; I need to learn how to package and put stuff into the fedora ecosystem, anyhow.) | |
| mchua | w00t! | |
| sdziallas | mchua: we can work together on that, too :) | |
| mchua | yay! | |
| * mchua thinks this is a happy meeting | ||
| * sdziallas thinks he wants a tasks & owners list in the wiki | ||
| sdziallas | oh yeah! :) | |
| sdziallas | mchua: also, stating that: "this spin includes the highly-acclaimed sugar environment, which shipped on the olpc" can't be too bad for marketing... | |
| mchua | rdieter, hanthana, others - thoughts/interests/what should be in the spin? | |
| mchua | sdziallas: ooh, good point | |
| mchua | hanthana: marketing opportunities! | |
| hanthana | me too | |
| sdziallas | mchua: and as sugar is based on python... another chance of promoting it :) | |
| mchua | \o/ | |
| mchua | hanthana: was the "me too" for wanting to help with getting sugar in f12? | |
| * mchua notes we also need to make sure tools that *aren't* sugar get in f12 spin... | ||
| mchua | (and if there's a lot of interest in doing the sugar side I'll move to the non-sugar side) | |
| sdziallas | mchua: yup! what we've been doing for F11 was that we chose "normal" apps, that mostly had the same dependencies as the sugar apps, so that we saved space... | |
| sdziallas | heh :) | |
| rdieter | size of spin is a concern. if the constraint of limiting it to cd-sized remains, then every "add foo to spin" will likely need "remove bar to make space" | |
| sdziallas | rdieter: right, we should discuss cd vs. dvd | |
| sdziallas | we also needed to remove partly non-english stuff for F11 - this is something we probably shouldn't do for F12. | |
| mchua | good point | |
| hanthana | we can let non-english locales to re-spin it | |
| --> Rodrigo_Padula (n=Rodrigo@189.106.57.206) hat #fedora-edu betreten | ||
| mchua | should we make a list of the things we'd like to have in the f12 spin (ask mailing list to add things to a list on the wiki) and then make the size-cutoff decision once we see what each option would let us include? | |
| hanthana | but be sure, to make available free space | |
| sdziallas | mchua: sounds good to me :) | |
| mchua | ok, I'll take on the task of shooting that to the mailing list after this meeting then | |
| sdziallas | mchua: cool! | |
| Rodrigo_Padula | We will create a liveCD or liveDVD ? | |
| hanthana | guys we also need to identify big communities such as China, Europe, etc | |
| * Rodrigo_Padula sorry, I'm late | ||
| sdziallas | Rodrigo_Padula: hey! glad you made it :) | |
| rdieter | frankly, I'd rather drop the cd-size restriction, and explore other possiblities. otherwise, micro-managing the pkg list becomes quite a burdon, time/effort better spent elsewhere | |
| hanthana | i like both | |
| mchua | rdieter + 1 | |
| mchua | if there is a good package list from the edu sig, I imagine it would be fairly straightforward for me to, on july 18, burn 8 cds/dvds with a subset of that stuff | |
| hanthana | guys, lets have both releases and let users to enjoy the freedom of choice | |
| Rodrigo_Padula | Can I do a suggestion ? | |
| sdziallas | mchua: yup, sounds good! I'd be able to compose test spins (and host them probably with sugarlabs for testing) | |
| mchua | Rodrigo_Padula: go for it. | |
| Rodrigo_Padula | for me, the Educational SIG have to work in 3 ways | |
| Rodrigo_Padula | 1 - teach open source | |
| Rodrigo_Padula | 2 - teach with open source | |
| Rodrigo_Padula | 3 - cientific reasearchs with open source | |
| Rodrigo_Padula | we can organize this 3 ideas in 3 spins | |
| Rodrigo_Padula | the media price is the same, cd or dvd | |
| Rodrigo_Padula | so we can work on LiveDVDs | |
| Rodrigo_Padula | and do a list thinking in this 3 ways | |
| hanthana | ! | |
| mchua | Rodrigo_Padula: i think that's a cool idea. Personally, I'm working on a spin that does a combination of 1 and 2 because I have a project that has need for it. | |
| Rodrigo_Padula | good | |
| hanthana | i think we should merge 1 and 2 | |
| mchua | Rodrigo_Padula: but I'm sure there's room for people working on multiple spins if you want to run with 3. :) | |
| hanthana | if some one do not want to learn Open Source? | |
| sdziallas | maybe 1 & 2 sound like a good focus for F12? | |
| --> KarlieRobinson (n=karlie@webpath.net) hat #fedora-edu betreten | ||
| mchua | Hey KarlieRobinson! | |
| Rodrigo_Padula | sdziallas, Yes I think | |
| KarlieRobinson | Hi | |
| sdziallas | KarlieRobinson: welcome back :) | |
| mchua | KarlieRobinson: since you left, we've decided to make an F12 spin (yay!) focused on the POSSE profs as end-users (that part's on my shoulders, I think) | |
| KarlieRobinson | good | |
| Rodrigo_Padula | the 1 and 2 proposals are very different | |
| KarlieRobinson | While i was gone, I calmed down Brian so he could make the rest of today's discs | |
| mchua | KarlieRobinson: so our users are professors with classes that want to work on OSS edu projects, and the k12osn list (full of k12 teachers) are *their* users | |
| KarlieRobinson | good | |
| hanthana | we should able to teach Open Source while teaching with open Source | |
| mchua | KarlieRobinson: in other words, you + steve jacobs + math4 = the kinds of people we're designing for too | |
| mchua | Rodrigo_Padula, hanthana: totally agreed. so what are *you* going to do about it? :) | |
| KarlieRobinson | If what happened at RIT this last quarter is predicting for the future, that should be a good idea | |
| Rodrigo_Padula | Yes, but to teach with open source we need a lot of systems and packages | |
| Rodrigo_Padula | like gcompris, sugar | |
| Rodrigo_Padula | by now, in Brazil we are working to create the Educational group | |
| mchua | KarlieRobinson: ooh, yeah, so we should ask that class for feedback on our features list as well... hanthana, you still interested in that idea of making a survey? ;) | |
| Rodrigo_Padula | with teachers(K12) and TI guys | |
| Rodrigo_Padula | working with these 3 ways | |
| hanthana | mchua: yes | |
| mchua | Rodrigo_Padula: Awesome. I'd love to hear more about that, are you going to put out notes on the mailing list when things happen? | |
| Rodrigo_Padula | linking others projects like documentation, translation and local fedora magazine | |
| Rodrigo_Padula | mchua, Yes | |
| mchua | hanthana: I know nothing about making surveys... do you think you'd be able to crank out a short survey this weekend to send to KarlieRobinson 's math4 group (and maybe other groups if we can find them, who have done this stuff before)? | |
| mchua | Rodrigo_Padula: awesome. | |
| Rodrigo_Padula | at FUDCon I will present some ideas and recruit more people | |
| mchua | hanthana: and then we can see what kind of data we get from that, which would make the next survey round (that would ship with f12 spin) easier to adjust | |
| KarlieRobinson | You might be able to use something basic like Google Docs to make the survey | |
| sdziallas | Rodrigo_Padula: cool! (and I'll try to do so at FUDCon Berlin) ;) | |
| * mchua reads up to figure out what agenda item we're on | ||
| mchua | SIGs/Education/Meetings#Agenda_.26_Tasks | |
| mchua | ok, I think we've got the first 3 items down | |
| hanthana | mchua: i am really sorry, still preparing, collecting stuff to next week event, but i will do later | |
| mchua | hanthana: when do you want to do it by? I'll write it down so we don't forget | |
| mchua | hanthana: if you write the questions i can help get it online, get it out to people, and get back results | |
| mchua | so, it looks like we've finished talking about | |
| mchua | # the F11 EDU spin and mainly our plans for F12 (application discussion) | |
| mchua | # collaboration with POSSE | |
| mchua | # collaboration with Sugar Labs | |
| rdieter | If I may interject a quick question, who here will be at FUDCon Berlin? raise hands. if > 2, maybe we all should make a point to get together. | |
| mchua | (f12 = geared towards professors teaching their classes how to contribute to oss edu projects) | |
| * sdziallas is there. I know that Greg will be there, too. | ||
| mchua | (POSSE = our first target userbase) | |
| * rdieter too | ||
| sdziallas | rdieter: you coming, too? | |
| sdziallas | rdieter: coool! :) this will be great! | |
| mchua | (Sugar = will be included in the f12 spin, and sdziallas and mchua will work on it) | |
| * mchua is sad that Berlin is prohibitively on the other side of the world - I wish I could go! | ||
| hanthana | mchua: shall we do it together | |
| rdieter | Rodrigo_Padula: which FUDCon were you talking about presenting? | |
| mchua | hanthana: the survey? sure, just tell me when. | |
| Rodrigo_Padula | Latam | |
| sdziallas | mchua: sorry for getting you into your summary... we should get that on the wiki, too ;) | |
| rdieter | ok, :) | |
| Rodrigo_Padula | FUDConLATAM2009 | |
| KarlieRobinson | we can do presentation here in North America too | |
| KarlieRobinson | Senaca in Waterloo ON Canada | |
| KarlieRobinson | Ohio Linux fest, etc | |
| * mchua can help with the north america part. KarlieRobinson is a kickass speaker. | ||
| hanthana | mchua: lets do on Sunday or Monday? | |
| KarlieRobinson | We'll also be doing NYSCATE in Rochester with SugarLabs | |
| KarlieRobinson | Talk with Steve Jacobs if you'd like to do Nyscate, I'm a total Noob with the education side of things. | |
| mchua | hanthana: Monday is better for me, I'll be on #fedora all day so just ping me when you're around | |
| * sdziallas suggests to move on quickly, if everybody is fine... | ||
| hanthana | sdziallas: what about you? | |
| sdziallas | hanthana: hm? | |
| KarlieRobinson | Sorry I have to go again. One disc to one man yet it's like the queen is visting | |
| sdziallas | KarlieRobinson: hehe ;) | |
| hanthana | sdziallas: i mean making questions | |
| KarlieRobinson | I'll look for follow up if I don't make it back | |
| <-- KarlieRobinson (n=karlie@webpath.net) hat #fedora-edu verlassen | ||
| sdziallas | hanthana: I *might* be able to join you... normally I hang out on #fedora-devel / -edu... | |
| mchua | hanthana: I think the 2 of us should be fine on this, if not | |
| mchua | though sdziallas is always good to have around :) | |
| sdziallas | mchua: nothing promised ;) next week might be a bit busy for me... | |
| mchua | but yeah, +1 to sdziallas "shall we move on" suggestion | |
| sdziallas | just ping me if I'm required, ok? | |
| sdziallas | :) | |
| * mchua flexes ping-finger | ||
| mchua | will do. | |
| hanthana | mchua: i also new to creating questions ;-) | |
| sdziallas | okay! collaboration with olpc is coming up next. | |
| mchua | hanthana: then we'll figure it out together. :) | |
| mchua | whoops, sorry I was off topic sdziallas. yes, olpc. | |
| hanthana | mchua: okay, lets try then | |
| mchua | ...personally, I don't see anything for us to do with that right now (this might change in the future... I'll try to keep an eye out) | |
| sdziallas | mchua: I agree completely. | |
| Rodrigo_Padula | walterbender, is here ?? | |
| sdziallas | we're doing well with collaborating with sugarlabs, and... well, that can be revisited at a later time. | |
| mchua | they're a potential future user group for our users to work with, but there's no immediate way to get in touch with the deployments there, for the most part | |
| sdziallas | mchua: agreed. | |
| mchua | Rodrigo_Padula: walterbender is afk (and walterbender does Sugar Labs) | |
| mchua | sdziallas: +1 - SL for now, OLPC as a potential thing to bring up later if things come up. | |
| Rodrigo_Padula | mchua, yes I know | |
| sdziallas | mchua: okay, cool :) | |
| mchua | next? | |
| * sdziallas nods. | ||
| sdziallas | collaboration with k12osn? | |
| sdziallas | this has been already discussed, hasn't it? | |
| sdziallas | we could try to keep them posted, ask for input and so on... | |
| mchua | yeah, I think we're done with that | |
| mchua | sdziallas: were you going to announce what we're going to do for the f12 spin to them? | |
| <-- warren (n=warren@redhat/wombat/warren) hat #fedora-edu verlassen ("Leaving") | ||
| mchua | sdziallas: like, "hey we're making stuff for people who want to work with teachers like you... start queueing up projects you want those people to do for you!" thing | |
| sdziallas | mchua: good question. I think that's probably not a bad idea... +1 :) | |
| * mchua can't construct proper English sentences today | ||
| * mchua adds sdziallas --> k12osn to action items list ;) | ||
| mchua | anything else on k12osn? | |
| sdziallas | not from me ;) | |
| sdziallas | mchua: thanks! ;) | |
| sdziallas | now... promotions! | |
| mchua | next item? | |
| mchua | WOO! | |
| mchua | er, was that hanthana? | |
| * sdziallas looks | ||
| mchua | from my perspective, I (and gregdek) will make sure the POSSE profs know about the f12 spin | |
| mchua | and use it, and give us feedback on it | |
| mchua | (well, at least try it out while they're in Raleigh.) | |
| sdziallas | mchua: that's great! :) | |
| mchua | did anyone ( hanthana ? ) want to do more than that? | |
| sdziallas | we can add ideas or concrete plans at a later point in the wiki, too... | |
| * mchua personally has no bandwidth to do f12 spin outreach beyond POSSE until after July | ||
| mchua | sdziallas: ooh, yeah. I'll do that since I already have the features list request to put up on the wiki. | |
| sdziallas | mchua: :) | |
| sdziallas | mchua: I can try to get it up on SL... | |
| sdziallas | (unless bernie kills me) ;) | |
| mchua | awesome. | |
| sdziallas | good! sounds like we're through the agenda, right? | |
| hanthana | mchua: what | |
| mchua | and the survey question is already moving forward (or will again when hanthana pings me on Monday) | |
| mchua | hanthana: we were discussing outreach, was there anything you particularly wanted to do for that? | |
| * sdziallas smiles about the big progress we did. | ||
| * mchua thumbs-up to our fearless leader - thanks for calling this meeting, sdziallas! | ||
| * sdziallas thanks mchua and all the people who joined for the great work! :) | ||
| mchua | I'm *super* happy with what we got through... hang on and I'll post tasks | |
| mchua | * mchua to ask mailing list to read f12 goals and add packages/feature requests to a list on the wiki, so we can make size-cutoff decisions once we see what each option would let us include | |
| mchua | * mchua ditto above for outreach ideas, and to make sure POSSE profs remain tightly in the loop for f12 spin development | |
| mchua | * sdziallas to keep SL in the loop | |
| mchua | * hanthana to ping mchua on #fedora on Monday to make feature-request survey to send to KarlieRobinson and Math4 class (and possibly others) | |
| mchua | * rdieter, sdziallas, gregdek, and others at FUDCon Berlin to get together at FUDCon Berlin | |
| mchua | * sdziallas to announce what we're going to do for the f12 spin to k12osn | |
| hanthana | mchua: i have to leave now | |
| mchua | anything I'm missing or mistaken on? if this is good I'll post that to the wiki page so sdziallas can harass us through the list at our next meeting :) | |
| sdziallas | hanthana: thanks for all your work! talk to you soon :) | |
| mchua | sdziallas: (which is when, btw?) | |
| hanthana | can some one give me few point why Fedora Spin is better that Kubuntu | |
| mchua | hanthana: see you monday! ping me whenever then. | |
| hanthana | at leat via mail | |
| sdziallas | mchua: looks good to me! get it on the wiki :) go go go... | |
| mchua | hanthana: ask the mailing list? (I'm new here, so I can't really help there, sorry) | |
| hanthana | 11th i have to explain these stuff to MoE officials | |
| hanthana | ok | |
| mchua | sdziallas, will you be posting meeting logs? | |
| sdziallas | mchua: yup. | |
| sdziallas | re meeting time: maybe keep it this time... | |
| hanthana | cya guys | |
| sdziallas | hanthana: bye | |
| mchua | This time is generally good for me, yeah | |
| hanthana | bye! | |
| hanthana | good night | |
| sdziallas | mchua: okay! :) if I wouldn't be able to make it or wanted to suggest a change... I'll ping the list. | |
| mchua | sdziallas, I dumped it to SIGs/Education/Meetings#Agenda_.26_Tasks, I'm not sure what there is outdated or where the notes should be moved but I figured I'll leave that part to you. ;) | |
| * mchua starts in on her tasks | ||
| * hanthana away....... | ||
| sdziallas | mchua: we can take the tasks list out there, too... | |
| sdziallas | mchua: I like how we started, so... ;) maybe we can get rid of old stuff | |
| mchua | sdziallas: go for it, you know better what to purge than I do | |
| sdziallas | okay, will do :) | |
| sdziallas | now this sounds like a good time to adjourn a meeting... | |
| sdziallas | always wanted to do this: | |
| sdziallas | == MEETING ADJOURNED == | |
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