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#!html <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /> <title>chat</title> <link rel="stylesheet" href="irclog.css" /> <meta name="generator" content="irclog2html.py 2.6 by Marius Gedminas" /> <meta name="version" content="2.6 - 2007-10-30" /> </head> <body> <h1>chat</h1> <table class="irclog"> <tr id="tApr 08 22:59:58"><td class="action" colspan="2">* kanarip has changed the topic to: Spin SIG meeting -- <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Spins">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Spins</a></td><td><a href="#tApr 08 22:59:58" class="time">Apr 08 22:59</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:00:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> first meeting!</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:00:05" class="time">Apr 08 23:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:00:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> hoorah! ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:00:11" class="time">Apr 08 23:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:00:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> who's there?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:00:19" class="time">Apr 08 23:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:00:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> i'm here</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:00:31" class="time">Apr 08 23:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:00:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">Southern_Gentlem</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144"> JamesBenWilliams</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:00:32" class="time">Apr 08 23:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:00:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">JeffreyTadlock</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:00:42" class="time">Apr 08 23:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:00:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> mether, spevack, ping</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:00:44" class="time">Apr 08 23:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:00:52"><td class="action" colspan="2">* iWolf may be afk for times if the kids get hungry</td><td><a href="#tApr 08 23:00:52" class="time">Apr 08 23:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:00:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:00:55" class="time">Apr 08 23:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:00:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> i am here</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:00:57" class="time">Apr 08 23:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:01:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> pong</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:01:01" class="time">Apr 08 23:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:01:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> MaxSpevack</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:01:06" class="time">Apr 08 23:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:01:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:01:08" class="time">Apr 08 23:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:01:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> < JeroenVanMeeuwen </td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:01:14" class="time">Apr 08 23:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:01:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> i'll keep the logs</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:01:24" class="time">Apr 08 23:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:01:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b"> JesseKeating (sortof)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:01:33" class="time">Apr 08 23:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:01:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> and i'll start with some drafts i put up on the wiki</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:01:40" class="time">Apr 08 23:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:02:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> first of all, a set of guidelines for users willing to make/create/invent/develop/maintain a spin: <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Spins/CommunitySpinGuidelines">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Spins/CommunitySpinGuidelines</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:02:04" class="time">Apr 08 23:02</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:02:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> this includes some things to DO or DONT, and it certainly does not exhaust all potential issues</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:02:41" class="time">Apr 08 23:02</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:02:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> i think we need to grow such guidelines over time</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:02:51" class="time">Apr 08 23:02</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:02:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> anyone?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:02:52" class="time">Apr 08 23:02</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:03:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> im here mostly as a reference if intent needs to be explained...my goal is to let non-board people figure out what they want as much as possible</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:03:08" class="time">Apr 08 23:03</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:03:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> spoleeba, cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:03:33" class="time">Apr 08 23:03</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:03:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">guidelines will make it easier on everyone, so growing them overtime is a good thing.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:03:43" class="time">Apr 08 23:03</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:03:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b"> kanarip: unfortunately I don't have many cycles to devote to this right now. I do however have faith in you (:</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:03:52" class="time">Apr 08 23:03</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:03:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">helps keep us from making the same mistakes as we learn</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:03:53" class="time">Apr 08 23:03</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:04:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> kanarip: patching packages is just not allowed. there is no chance that is going to be acceptable</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:04:03" class="time">Apr 08 23:04</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:04:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> mether, +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:04:16" class="time">Apr 08 23:04</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:04:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> I am somewhat ambivalent of change in default behavior. that is actually useful in some situations</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:04:45" class="time">Apr 08 23:04</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:04:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> mether, there was this message on a m-l about setting the default nautilus mode to browser <- that sorta thing is just bad</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:04:49" class="time">Apr 08 23:04</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:04:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> The best way for us to be successful, IMHO, is</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:04:56" class="time">Apr 08 23:04</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:05:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> to break down the conversation into specific pieces that can be achieved.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:05:06" class="time">Apr 08 23:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:05:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> one example is that Fedora 9 xfce spin would disable tracker on the live cd</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:05:06" class="time">Apr 08 23:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:05:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> part of the problem on f-a-b, which led to this spin SIG creation, was that everyone was trying to talk about 10 different things all at once.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:05:26" class="time">Apr 08 23:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:05:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> so we cant just outright say no. we have to consider it on a case by case basis</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:05:34" class="time">Apr 08 23:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:05:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> I like to break something down into Use Cases, and figuring out how to achieve those Use Cases</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:05:39" class="time">Apr 08 23:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:05:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> mether, ok, i see what you mean</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:05:49" class="time">Apr 08 23:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:05:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> From there, process tends to fall out.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:05:49" class="time">Apr 08 23:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:06:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> lets get some simple guidelines out and get people proposing and figure out how to expand it when we have a real need for it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:06:08" class="time">Apr 08 23:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:06:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> ok so what i'm hearing is:</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:06:11" class="time">Apr 08 23:06</a></td></tr> <tr><td class="other" colspan="3">\Apr 08 23:06:42 <kanarip> 1) let's take into account legitimate changes to default application behaviour</td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:07:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> and 2) let's not talk about 10 different things all at once < spevack?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:07:23" class="time">Apr 08 23:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:07:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:07:31" class="time">Apr 08 23:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:07:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> i'm not sure i know how to break down a conversation that starts out to be so general while this is the first meeting and all that</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:07:56" class="time">Apr 08 23:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:08:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> 3) lets keep guidelines very simple and straight forward</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:08:03" class="time">Apr 08 23:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:08:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> do we have a "secretary" for this meeting/group?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:08:15" class="time">Apr 08 23:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:08:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> 4) Be responsive and keep track of proposals</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:08:15" class="time">Apr 08 23:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:08:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> well mether, that was not what i was hearing, but i agree ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:08:22" class="time">Apr 08 23:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:08:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> we need someone to be like poelcat is for the Board</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:08:26" class="time">Apr 08 23:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:08:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b"> mether: instead of disabling tracker, why not just exclude it from the manifest?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:08:27" class="time">Apr 08 23:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:08:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> spevack, i am the secretary</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:08:38" class="time">Apr 08 23:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:08:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> kanarip: excellent!</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:08:43" class="time">Apr 08 23:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:08:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> f13: i need it post installation.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:08:43" class="time">Apr 08 23:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:08:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> f13: it is only disable while running as a live cd</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:08:59" class="time">Apr 08 23:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> anything else on these guidelines?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:09:25" class="time">Apr 08 23:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> i am not sure what the note on revisor means</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:09:44" class="time">Apr 08 23:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:09:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> #</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:09:54" class="time">Apr 08 23:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:09:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> *</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:09:54" class="time">Apr 08 23:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:09:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> 3. Revisor (community tool that allows more customization we just said we wouldn't allow).</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:09:54" class="time">Apr 08 23:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:09:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">Southern_Gentlem</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144"> kanarip i think what you have written up is a good start</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:09:57" class="time">Apr 08 23:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:10:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> mether, well, the initial proposal from spoleeba included spins in the broad sense of the word</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:10:13" class="time">Apr 08 23:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:10:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> which is what i was responding to for the Unity use-case</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:10:27" class="time">Apr 08 23:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:10:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> well i guess that note doesnt make sense without a lot of context that is missing</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:10:51" class="time">Apr 08 23:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:11:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> do we need to put out documentation on how to create those spins or is that out of scope for spin SIG?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:11:44" class="time">Apr 08 23:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:11:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> right</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:11:50" class="time">Apr 08 23:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:11:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> i think we should do the documentation</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:11:56" class="time">Apr 08 23:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:12:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> especially since we do the guidelines and technical review</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:12:06" class="time">Apr 08 23:12</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:12:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> kanarip, here is what i expect will happen..regardless of what this sig decides... as things are presented to the board for trademark approval..customizations will have to make sense in context to the purpose of the spin</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:12:13" class="time">Apr 08 23:12</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:12:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> kanarip, to gain trademark approval</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:12:30" class="time">Apr 08 23:12</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:12:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> I think the Spin SIG should make one of its goals to produce the authoritative document on how to create a Fedora spin, start to finish. Which the Board then is responsible for reviewing.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:12:33" class="time">Apr 08 23:12</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:12:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> alrighty</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:12:55" class="time">Apr 08 23:12</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> i do think that's why we're here</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:13:04" class="time">Apr 08 23:13</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> because we take particular interest in doing *just that*</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:13:14" class="time">Apr 08 23:13</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93">zcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93"> spins don't come out of a magical kanarip box?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:13:47" class="time">Apr 08 23:13</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:13:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> mether, i'll take revisor out of the page with guidelines</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:13:56" class="time">Apr 08 23:13</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:14:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> kanarip: are you planning to propose the fedora unity respins officially going forward? Any details on that would be good</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:14:01" class="time">Apr 08 23:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:14:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> zcat, no, those are just respins i pull from my a$$</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:14:07" class="time">Apr 08 23:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:14:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> behave people ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:14:18" class="time">Apr 08 23:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:14:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> mether, yes I am</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:14:21" class="time">Apr 08 23:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:14:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> how about Anaconda updates?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:14:35" class="time">Apr 08 23:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:14:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> mether, and that is an extremely interesting topic for after this meeting, i think</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:14:40" class="time">Apr 08 23:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:14:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:14:45" class="time">Apr 08 23:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:14:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> ok then I will wait</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:14:51" class="time">Apr 08 23:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:15:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> i thought we should sort of any issues with that before we reach that point in Fedora 9</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:15:10" class="time">Apr 08 23:15</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:15:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> so let's conclude the guidelines given all the notes and comments</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:15:13" class="time">Apr 08 23:15</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:15:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> mether, maybe.. ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:15:34" class="time">Apr 08 23:15</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:15:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> so, another document that we'll need to carefully review is...</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:15:50" class="time">Apr 08 23:15</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:15:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> the KickstartPool</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:15:53" class="time">Apr 08 23:15</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:16:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Spins/KickstartPool">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Spins/KickstartPool</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:16:00" class="time">Apr 08 23:16</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:16:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> here's what i am imagining is going to happen:</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:16:15" class="time">Apr 08 23:16</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:16:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> people submit us kickstarts doing cool spins given some guidelines</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:16:31" class="time">Apr 08 23:16</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:16:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> we need to keep track of those kickstarts, and try to find a way to make customizing a spin as easy as possible</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:16:55" class="time">Apr 08 23:16</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:17:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> there's documentation, of course</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:17:04" class="time">Apr 08 23:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:17:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> So, here's my question:</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:17:15" class="time">Apr 08 23:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:17:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> and there's a "base" which makes the live spin run</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:17:20" class="time">Apr 08 23:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:17:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> i think it's very important to prevent that base from being re-invented for each spin</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:17:38" class="time">Apr 08 23:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:17:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> same goes for localized spins</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:17:44" class="time">Apr 08 23:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:17:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> spevack, ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:17:51" class="time">Apr 08 23:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:17:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> If I (meaning a random user) wants to submit a spin, how do I even know where to start?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:17:55" class="time">Apr 08 23:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:18:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> poelcat: you are the guy who keeps everyone in line!</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:18:08" class="time">Apr 08 23:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:18:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f"> far from it... i just write down what the smart people say :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:18:35" class="time">Apr 08 23:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:18:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> The first thing that anyone thinking about the Kickstart Pool needs to ask is "how do new things get added to the pool" and "what happens when a new spin is added?"</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:18:37" class="time">Apr 08 23:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:18:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> spevack, you, being the random user, will have Spin Submission Process on the Wiki, my blog and anywhere else you turn to</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:18:42" class="time">Apr 08 23:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:18:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">spevack: $randomuser would use the guidelines and docs the SIG produces.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:18:53" class="time">Apr 08 23:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:19:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> *grin* on spevack being the random user ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:19:10" class="time">Apr 08 23:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:19:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> Every process needs a Sample Idiot to go through it. That's where I come in!</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:19:29" class="time">Apr 08 23:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:19:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> kanarip: the ks pool is sample ks files, snippets and stuff like a cookbook?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:19:48" class="time">Apr 08 23:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:19:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> mether, well...</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:19:58" class="time">Apr 08 23:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:20:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> like the draft says, we'll have "base", which is sorta what Jeremy Katz and other people with commit access to livecd-tools maintain to keep livecd's running</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:20:33" class="time">Apr 08 23:20</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:20:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> this would make a lot more sense if I could actually load a page on the wiki :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:20:46" class="time">Apr 08 23:20</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:21:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> the /etc/init.d/fedora-live creation in %post, sorta speak, the %post on disabling readahead etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:21:04" class="time">Apr 08 23:21</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:21:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">:)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:21:05" class="time">Apr 08 23:21</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:21:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:21:20" class="time">Apr 08 23:21</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:21:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> from there, one can create a custom spin by installing kde-*, gnome-*, etc</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:21:35" class="time">Apr 08 23:21</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:22:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> for what is worth, i think some sample ks files are good</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:22:02" class="time">Apr 08 23:22</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:22:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> again doing it's own little %post things to get those kde-* or gnome-* packages work together (or something like that)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:22:06" class="time">Apr 08 23:22</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:22:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> then comes the localization layer, of which one is going to be the default</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:22:24" class="time">Apr 08 23:22</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:23:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> so that when someone says, "hey, i want a dutch version", he can take the german localization ks, replace "de" for "nl" everywhere, spin with it and get the same product in dutch as it would have been in german</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:23:16" class="time">Apr 08 23:23</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:23:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> does that make sense?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:23:28" class="time">Apr 08 23:23</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:23:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">yes.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:23:37" class="time">Apr 08 23:23</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:23:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> because if it does i'll have samples ready by tomorrow</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:23:38" class="time">Apr 08 23:23</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:23:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> kanarip: +1 !!!!</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:23:42" class="time">Apr 08 23:23</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:23:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> cool!</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:23:55" class="time">Apr 08 23:23</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:23:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> then there's this:</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:23:58" class="time">Apr 08 23:23</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:24:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> once we get one "localized" spin that is good, it should be absolutely trivial to do that for every language, just by changing one line</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:24:10" class="time">Apr 08 23:24</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:24:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> otherwise we're doing it wrong</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:24:14" class="time">Apr 08 23:24</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:24:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> I have created a base ks file which I used for my spins and several others used it too.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:24:17" class="time">Apr 08 23:24</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:24:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> if all a user does is replace german for dutch; does he need to pass testing, etc, etc before he can become blessed?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:24:23" class="time">Apr 08 23:24</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:24:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> that is specifically for the localized spins</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:24:31" class="time">Apr 08 23:24</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:24:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> IMO, no</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:24:40" class="time">Apr 08 23:24</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:24:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:24:47" class="time">Apr 08 23:24</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:24:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> but there might be specific testing needed to make sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:24:56" class="time">Apr 08 23:24</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:25:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> the L10N is alright</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:25:04" class="time">Apr 08 23:25</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:25:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> for example some applications are popular in certain languages</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:25:14" class="time">Apr 08 23:25</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:25:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> kanarip, can't we have bugs that only show up with specific locales.. in terms of gui dialogs and what not?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:25:15" class="time">Apr 08 23:25</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:25:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> so, if we have "de" (German) being replaced for "nl" (Dutch), can we take the spin, create a torrent, add the torrent to a tracker and let the user seed himself?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:25:19" class="time">Apr 08 23:25</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:25:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> so defaults might need to be changed</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:25:21" class="time">Apr 08 23:25</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:25:30"><td class="action" colspan="2">* daMaestro wanders in</td><td><a href="#tApr 08 23:25:30" class="time">Apr 08 23:25</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:25:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> kanarip, dutch to german..maybe not... german to chinese...maybe</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:25:32" class="time">Apr 08 23:25</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:25:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> people translate strings that shouldnt be translate and screw up stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:25:35" class="time">Apr 08 23:25</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:25:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> spoleeba, those turn up as much in localized spins as they do on installations</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:25:37" class="time">Apr 08 23:25</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:25:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> spoleeba, do we need to prevent bugs or do we just tag along with $release ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:25:56" class="time">Apr 08 23:25</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:26:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> kanarip, im not assuming everything is tested equally</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:26:03" class="time">Apr 08 23:26</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:26:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> kanarip, as part of installations</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:26:09" class="time">Apr 08 23:26</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:26:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> spoleeba, neither am i, but localized spinning isn't Q&A</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:26:20" class="time">Apr 08 23:26</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:26:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> kanarip: in my mind, there is one set of questions for "all the stuff you do before you have an ISO" and another set of questions for "how do you distribute your ISO"</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:26:21" class="time">Apr 08 23:26</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:26:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> spevack, yeah, i'm getting ahead of myself</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:26:39" class="time">Apr 08 23:26</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:26:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> kanarip, there has to be some level of qa invovled</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:26:40" class="time">Apr 08 23:26</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:26:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> and they are totally separate topics that can be attacked in parallel.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:26:40" class="time">Apr 08 23:26</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:27:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> kanarip, whether or not you can fix what you find....is another issue</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:27:02" class="time">Apr 08 23:27</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:27:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> spoleeba, if, say, locale NL is going to screw up upstart, we'll know soon enough</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:27:29" class="time">Apr 08 23:27</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:27:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> obviously there is some "testing" involved, but it certainly ain't Q&A</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:27:44" class="time">Apr 08 23:27</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:28:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> kanarip, but testing..even for a different locale..might reveal that you need a locale specific workaround for example..which might be perfectly okay to do in the context of that locale</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:28:03" class="time">Apr 08 23:28</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:28:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> spoleeba, actually in fact it might need to be solved upstream because we won't allow spin-specific fixing of packages</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:28:47" class="time">Apr 08 23:28</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:29:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> that's simply keeping it sustainable on the long-term</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:29:07" class="time">Apr 08 23:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:29:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> Lets say Openoffice.org has 100% translation and Abiword has none, it makes sense for that language to have OOo as default. Blindingly switching just the language code wont be enough for a good localized spin</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:29:09" class="time">Apr 08 23:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:29:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> mether, right</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:29:23" class="time">Apr 08 23:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:29:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> so even if we dont understand the language</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:29:38" class="time">Apr 08 23:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:29:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> we can create the iso</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:29:43" class="time">Apr 08 23:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:29:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> but we are talking about $breakage</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:29:44" class="time">Apr 08 23:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:29:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> boot up and check</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:29:47" class="time">Apr 08 23:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:30:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> even some breakage is easy enough to see</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:30:04" class="time">Apr 08 23:30</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:30:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> my point exactly, get ks, spin, boot, sign off, submit</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:30:09" class="time">Apr 08 23:30</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:30:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> kanarip, i think there has to be some effort make to at least document breakage</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:30:15" class="time">Apr 08 23:30</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:30:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">we might consider having a person that speaks the language at least doing a sanity check.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:30:15" class="time">Apr 08 23:30</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:30:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> yeah, that would be a good thing to do</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:30:35" class="time">Apr 08 23:30</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:30:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> kanarip, even if it cant be fixed as part of the spin...if its too broken...we need to know</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:30:38" class="time">Apr 08 23:30</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:30:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> iWolf, that'd be the submitter</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:30:39" class="time">Apr 08 23:30</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:30:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> well, every spin needs an "owner" and in theory, a person submitting a spin for a particular language would be fluent in it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:30:58" class="time">Apr 08 23:30</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:30:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">kanarip: sounds good.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:30:59" class="time">Apr 08 23:30</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:31:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> I can't very well make the Japanese spin.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:31:03" class="time">Apr 08 23:31</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:31:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> and his buddy who he will buy beer and vouch on behalf of him to the SIG here</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:31:07" class="time">Apr 08 23:31</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:31:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> we'll have to write down what we want to test anyway</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:31:10" class="time">Apr 08 23:31</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:31:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> we might as well hand that to the submitter saying he needs to sign off on it</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:31:22" class="time">Apr 08 23:31</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:31:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> spevack, if they arent fluent in that language...we're gonna have a fun discussion at the approval step</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:31:38" class="time">Apr 08 23:31</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:31:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> spevack: i dont speak most of the languages I created the localized spins for ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:31:41" class="time">Apr 08 23:31</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:32:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> so, on the topic of Kickstart Pool; expect some sample kickstart files</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:32:55" class="time">Apr 08 23:32</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:32:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> mether: all kidding aside then, how do you know if it is right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:32:58" class="time">Apr 08 23:32</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:33:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> and some sample documentation to go along with those samples</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:33:12" class="time">Apr 08 23:33</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:33:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> spevack: i have full time translators verifying it</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:33:14" class="time">Apr 08 23:33</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:33:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> mether: well, fair enough :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:33:22" class="time">Apr 08 23:33</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:33:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> the person either has to be fleunt, or know someone who is :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:33:36" class="time">Apr 08 23:33</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:34:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> we just need to hold them accountable. how they manage it is their business</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:34:12" class="time">Apr 08 23:34</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:34:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> sometimes a bug is just a bug, not the end of the world</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:34:34" class="time">Apr 08 23:34</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:34:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">essentially a point of contact for the spin.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:34:38" class="time">Apr 08 23:34</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:34:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> we'll need a poc anywah</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:34:49" class="time">Apr 08 23:34</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:34:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> s/h/y</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:34:52" class="time">Apr 08 23:34</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:35:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> you are shy? ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:35:04" class="time">Apr 08 23:35</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:35:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> so about the submission process then</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:35:15" class="time">Apr 08 23:35</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:35:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> here's what i think:</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:35:19" class="time">Apr 08 23:35</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:35:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> people create a spin with a document and a ks, submit it to us, we do something L337 with it and sign off or respectfully reject</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:35:52" class="time">Apr 08 23:35</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:36:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> then, it needs board approval under certain circumstances</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:36:35" class="time">Apr 08 23:36</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:36:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> or does the board want to approve separate localized spins as well?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:36:47" class="time">Apr 08 23:36</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:36:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:36:49" class="time">Apr 08 23:36</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:37:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> didn't think so</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:37:13" class="time">Apr 08 23:37</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:37:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> how does rel-eng get into this picture?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:37:20" class="time">Apr 08 23:37</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:37:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> or QA?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:37:20" class="time">Apr 08 23:37</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:37:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> i know for sure, that they get involved with spins that get into the release process</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:37:53" class="time">Apr 08 23:37</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:38:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> does the board want to be involved in approving every spin?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:38:18" class="time">Apr 08 23:38</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:38:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> mether, yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:38:26" class="time">Apr 08 23:38</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:38:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> every spin concept i'm sure, yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:38:28" class="time">Apr 08 23:38</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:38:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> mether, because we have the trademark burden</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:38:40" class="time">Apr 08 23:38</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:38:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> every localized version of those spin concepts, not so sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:38:40" class="time">Apr 08 23:38</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:38:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> is that last minute rubber stamping or something more?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:38:43" class="time">Apr 08 23:38</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:38:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> kanarip, we'll find out</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:38:48" class="time">Apr 08 23:38</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:40:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> mether, rel-eng is hands off when it comes to the kickstart pool... over time i expect releng's suggestions to impact the guidance..since many of the spins in the kickstart pool will undoubtable want 'release' status at some point</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:40:02" class="time">Apr 08 23:40</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:40:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> ok. how about board. how actively involved does the board want to be</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:40:37" class="time">Apr 08 23:40</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:40:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> mether, but everything that will live in the pool needs trademark approval..how involved that it..will depend</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:40:47" class="time">Apr 08 23:40</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:40:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> about board approval; there's this SIG that can check certain things before it even gets to the board, the more things the board puts on the Spin SIGs plate to check, the harder our job will be and the easier spins that we hand off for approval will pass the board's judgement</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:40:52" class="time">Apr 08 23:40</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:41:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> so basically dont get to the point where the board has to reject something</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:41:34" class="time">Apr 08 23:41</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:42:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> anybody want to discuss some actual spin proposals?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:42:36" class="time">Apr 08 23:42</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:42:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> if there's doubt about approval, imagine a Fedora Codeina Spin... well...</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:42:37" class="time">Apr 08 23:42</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:42:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> mether, yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:42:44" class="time">Apr 08 23:42</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:42:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> if the board rejects something..then we'll make sure the reasons can be put into the guidance so it can be avoided in the future if at all possible</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:42:51" class="time">Apr 08 23:42</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:43:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:43:05" class="time">Apr 08 23:43</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:43:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> the rest though, can just be checked by the SIG before it's being handed off to the board</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:43:49" class="time">Apr 08 23:43</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:43:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> the line will be grey...and the line will move...because ultimately the board makes a decision based on whether or not they feel that spin concept will be bad for the fedora mark</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:43:50" class="time">Apr 08 23:43</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:44:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> such as the "Contains only Fedora packages" rule</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:44:01" class="time">Apr 08 23:44</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:44:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> its not a technical decision..</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:44:03" class="time">Apr 08 23:44</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:44:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> so let's put up a draft on the submission process also somewhere this coming week</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:44:53" class="time">Apr 08 23:44</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:44:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> i think what spoleeba means to say is that the "approval" of a spin is not purely objective. There is a subjective "is this good for Fedora if it has the Fedora name" question that it is the duty of the Board to defend.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:44:58" class="time">Apr 08 23:44</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:45:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> spevack, yeah, the trademark burden is as much a burden to the board as it is to anyone else ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:45:33" class="time">Apr 08 23:45</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:46:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> ok, so ... do we need to appoint someone as the SIG leader or something?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:46:28" class="time">Apr 08 23:46</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:46:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> kanarip: arent you already that since you volunteered?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:46:41" class="time">Apr 08 23:46</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:46:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> mether, i see a couple of other volunteers.. ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:46:54" class="time">Apr 08 23:46</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:47:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">yeah, we hate to break it to you kanarip, that's you.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:47:00" class="time">Apr 08 23:47</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:47:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">:)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:47:02" class="time">Apr 08 23:47</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:47:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> ok, ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:47:16" class="time">Apr 08 23:47</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:47:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> i'll do stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:47:19" class="time">Apr 08 23:47</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:47:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> thanks ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:47:24" class="time">Apr 08 23:47</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:47:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">that's not to say we aren't here to help though! ;)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:47:36" class="time">Apr 08 23:47</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:47:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> I will gladly watch other people do stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:47:57" class="time">Apr 08 23:47</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:48:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> next topic... are we ready for specific spins yet?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:48:11" class="time">Apr 08 23:48</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:48:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> don't you all go "i was born ready"</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:48:34" class="time">Apr 08 23:48</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:48:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> specific spins as in?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:48:34" class="time">Apr 08 23:48</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:48:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> specific proposals?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:48:45" class="time">Apr 08 23:48</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:48:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> the Education/XFCE not-yet-approved spins</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:48:47" class="time">Apr 08 23:48</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:48:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> xfce is already approved afaik</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:48:57" class="time">Apr 08 23:48</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:48:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> yes, specific proposals</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:48:59" class="time">Apr 08 23:48</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:49:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> do we need to approve it every release?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:49:05" class="time">Apr 08 23:49</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:49:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:49:18" class="time">Apr 08 23:49</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:49:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> if so, here is my proposal.<a href="http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/spins/livecd-fedora-9-xfce.ks">http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/spins/livecd-fedora-9-xfce.ks</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:49:34" class="time">Apr 08 23:49</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:49:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> there are some minor changes in package set</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:49:43" class="time">Apr 08 23:49</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:49:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> because it'll need board / rel. eng. / qa approval as well</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:49:44" class="time">Apr 08 23:49</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:49:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> shouldnt make much of a material difference</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:49:51" class="time">Apr 08 23:49</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:50:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> i am discussing that over with the xfce maintainers</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:50:01" class="time">Apr 08 23:50</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:50:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> let me put that up on the wiki</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:50:15" class="time">Apr 08 23:50</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:50:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> but that is good enough to get a good idea on what i am proposing. check it out and let me know</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:50:20" class="time">Apr 08 23:50</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:50:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> I have a few more proposals</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:50:28" class="time">Apr 08 23:50</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:50:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> kanarip, are you talking about 'released' spins now? or just the kickstart pool?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:50:35" class="time">Apr 08 23:50</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:50:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> depending on how much you want to discuss today</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:50:37" class="time">Apr 08 23:50</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:51:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> mether, can we put them up on the Spins wiki page? i was about to add them to /Agenda</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:51:11" class="time">Apr 08 23:51</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:51:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> point me to agenda page and I will add them all there</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:51:32" class="time">Apr 08 23:51</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:51:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> do you want to discuss them all now?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:51:42" class="time">Apr 08 23:51</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:51:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Spins/Agenda">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Spins/Agenda</a> but please wait until i have it saved ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:51:51" class="time">Apr 08 23:51</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:51:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> kanarip, i dont expect the board will want to approve any revisions to things already in the kickstart pool... the goal is to treat them as packages...do the approval upfront and then trust people to not be asshats about things</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:51:53" class="time">Apr 08 23:51</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:51:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> saved</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:51:54" class="time">Apr 08 23:51</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:52:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> spoleeba, ok, that's worth knowing ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:52:19" class="time">Apr 08 23:52</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:52:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> mether, feel free to add any spins there</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:52:33" class="time">Apr 08 23:52</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:52:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> do you need ks files for every proposal or is just the concept description ok?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:52:33" class="time">Apr 08 23:52</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:52:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> kanarip, for 'released' spins if ultimately up to releng how they want to deal with spins each release cycle..im assuming they will want to re-evaluate all proposeds spins and possible switch some out based on the release criteria</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:52:46" class="time">Apr 08 23:52</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:52:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> i'm down for .ks files, but you can add descriptions too mether </td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:52:53" class="time">Apr 08 23:52</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:53:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> mether, we're gonna need kickstart files... if there are customizations they need to come with context</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:53:20" class="time">Apr 08 23:53</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:53:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> spoleeba: i am not going to work on ks files if the concept itself is not worth exploring</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:53:43" class="time">Apr 08 23:53</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:53:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> mether, from the board's perspective..understanding why you are making a change is just as important as what the change is..</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:53:45" class="time">Apr 08 23:53</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:53:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">the more kickstart files we see now, the easier it will be to create the guidelines.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:53:54" class="time">Apr 08 23:53</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:53:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> we are not talking about getting to the board at this stage</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:53:58" class="time">Apr 08 23:53</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:54:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> mether, oh sorry</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:54:06" class="time">Apr 08 23:54</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:54:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> ! (whenever this topic is done, I have something to ask about)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:54:17" class="time">Apr 08 23:54</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:54:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> spevack, you go ahead</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:54:34" class="time">Apr 08 23:54</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:55:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> mether, you put on that page whatever needs the SIGs consideration</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:55:00" class="time">Apr 08 23:55</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:55:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> doing that if the wiki would just let me</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:55:11" class="time">Apr 08 23:55</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:55:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> something that i believe is within the scope of this SIG</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:55:13" class="time">Apr 08 23:55</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:55:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> but probably an action item for LATER</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:55:19" class="time">Apr 08 23:55</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:55:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> mether, maybe make a separate paragraph of fuzzy proposals ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:55:19" class="time">Apr 08 23:55</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:55:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> is spins.fedoraproject.org</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:55:23" class="time">Apr 08 23:55</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:55:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> spevack, +1000</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:55:30" class="time">Apr 08 23:55</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:55:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> there were some really nice ideas</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:55:32" class="time">Apr 08 23:55</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:55:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> a while back for that.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:55:35" class="time">Apr 08 23:55</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:55:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> and i think that it will be up to this sig to ressurect that work.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:55:43" class="time">Apr 08 23:55</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:55:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> and figure out how to move it forward</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:55:47" class="time">Apr 08 23:55</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:55:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> mether, i will say, that I expect the board to provide some initial guidance as to what to generally avoid when seeking trademark approval</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:55:50" class="time">Apr 08 23:55</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:56:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> but I think that the stuff we've been talking about to this point in the meeting is more critical</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:56:02" class="time">Apr 08 23:56</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:56:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> spoleeba: you are working on that?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:56:06" class="time">Apr 08 23:56</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:56:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> this is just something that should be on the TODO list</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:56:07" class="time">Apr 08 23:56</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:56:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> that's all i wanted to say</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:56:11" class="time">Apr 08 23:56</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:56:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> mether, we've discussed it a little</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:56:37" class="time">Apr 08 23:56</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:56:43"><td class="action" colspan="2">* kanarip will add that to the Agenda</td><td><a href="#tApr 08 23:56:43" class="time">Apr 08 23:56</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:56:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> thanks spevack </td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:56:45" class="time">Apr 08 23:56</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:56:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> spevack: will anybody from the Red Hat side help us with the fedora website stuff. we got lot of pending work there</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:56:52" class="time">Apr 08 23:56</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:57:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">spoleeba: it would be good to have that while we work up the guidelines.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:57:00" class="time">Apr 08 23:57</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:58:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> mether: I don't know. I think that if we present some of the work that needs to be done around, we could find people to help.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:58:03" class="time">Apr 08 23:58</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:58:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> iWolf, im not sure, its going to be quite obvious things</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:58:04" class="time">Apr 08 23:58</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:58:17"><td class="action" colspan="2">* spevack makes a note to contact the websites team and look into where we can find them some help.</td><td><a href="#tApr 08 23:58:17" class="time">Apr 08 23:58</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:58:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> spevack: yeah. Should I mail you?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:58:26" class="time">Apr 08 23:58</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:58:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> mether: i added it to my TODO list. I'll mail the websites team sometime soonish :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:58:39" class="time">Apr 08 23:58</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:58:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> anyways thats it for me</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:58:59" class="time">Apr 08 23:58</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:59:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> spevack, can you tell me where spins.fp.org got that attention?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:59:00" class="time">Apr 08 23:59</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:59:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> spevack: ok. let me know if they can help us for the Fedora 9 release. the download page needs urgent work</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:59:02" class="time">Apr 08 23:59</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:59:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">spoleeba</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"> gotta do work for a couple of hours</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:59:09" class="time">Apr 08 23:59</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:59:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> spevack: we already have good mockups for spins.fp.o too</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:59:16" class="time">Apr 08 23:59</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:59:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> thanks spoleeba </td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:59:17" class="time">Apr 08 23:59</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:59:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> kanarip: I saw a few mockups once, that duffy had made, but that was about it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:59:19" class="time">Apr 08 23:59</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:59:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> mether: exactly</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:59:25" class="time">Apr 08 23:59</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:59:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> spevack, ah, right</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:59:26" class="time">Apr 08 23:59</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 08 23:59:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> Mo is in #fedora-art if anybody wants to get some latest input</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 08 23:59:58" class="time">Apr 08 23:59</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:00:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> i have added a few proposals</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:00:25" class="time">Apr 09 00:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:00:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> i do want to but i'll keep myself occupied for a while doing the meeting minutes and wiki pages</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:00:27" class="time">Apr 09 00:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:00:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> i will ask then</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:00:40" class="time">Apr 09 00:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:00:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> meanwhile feel free to discuss stuff I added to agenda</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:00:58" class="time">Apr 09 00:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:01:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> as soon as it loads</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:01:40" class="time">Apr 09 00:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:01:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> one doubt</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:01:50" class="time">Apr 09 00:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:02:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> only one?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:02:06" class="time">Apr 09 00:02</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:02:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> if I wanted the xfce spin to move from being just torrent only to be available in the mirrors too, what do I do?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:02:10" class="time">Apr 09 00:02</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:02:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> i'm not going to bother mo right now, since i don't think any of us are in a position to run with the spins.fp.o frontend right now, and I'd rather not bug Mo any more until after F9</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:02:26" class="time">Apr 09 00:02</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:02:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> the way it looks now, you'd need to become an official release spin</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:02:29" class="time">Apr 09 00:02</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:02:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> if you count the numbers of spins, I have proposed 15 now</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:02:36" class="time">Apr 09 00:02</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:03:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> 12 of them are localized</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:03:11" class="time">Apr 09 00:03</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:03:14"><td class="action" colspan="2">* kanarip will request some fedorahosted.org space as well</td><td><a href="#tApr 09 00:03:14" class="time">Apr 09 00:03</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:03:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> where are going to retain the ks files?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:03:29" class="time">Apr 09 00:03</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:03:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> fedorahosted.org</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:03:36" class="time">Apr 09 00:03</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:03:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:03:43" class="time">Apr 09 00:03</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:03:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> whats the process in moving to a official release spin</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:03:56" class="time">Apr 09 00:03</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:04:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> we'll package whatever gets board approval and so forth</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:04:01" class="time">Apr 09 00:04</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:04:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> mether, i'm not sure; the board has to agree, and the spin is to be approved by releng. and qa before it's actually released</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:04:27" class="time">Apr 09 00:04</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:04:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> what's in between those two... is obscure</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:04:37" class="time">Apr 09 00:04</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:04:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:04:56" class="time">Apr 09 00:04</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:05:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> i will drop a mail</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:05:00" class="time">Apr 09 00:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:05:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> that's what we are here for though</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:05:06" class="time">Apr 09 00:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:05:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> do we need a spins-sig@fp.o alias?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:05:11" class="time">Apr 09 00:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:05:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> or fedora-derivatives mailing list?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:05:18" class="time">Apr 09 00:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:05:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> maybe we need a mailing list</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:05:23" class="time">Apr 09 00:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:05:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">a mailing list would be helpful.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:05:44" class="time">Apr 09 00:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:05:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> derivatives sounds like rebranding and such ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:05:52" class="time">Apr 09 00:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:05:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> i thought of fedora-derivatives instead of fedora-spins so as to help people basing their work on Fedora too</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:05:54" class="time">Apr 09 00:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:06:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">both for our planning and organizing and a place for someone trying to create a spin to drop by for questions.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:06:01" class="time">Apr 09 00:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:06:06"><td class="action" colspan="2">* kanarip will request a mailing list along with the fedorahosted.org space as well</td><td><a href="#tApr 09 00:06:06" class="time">Apr 09 00:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:06:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> do we want a place for both</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:06:19" class="time">Apr 09 00:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:06:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> or just for the spins</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:06:25" class="time">Apr 09 00:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:06:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> we might</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:06:26" class="time">Apr 09 00:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:06:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> i prefer fedora-derivatives</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:06:37" class="time">Apr 09 00:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:06:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> so we can cover both</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:06:39" class="time">Apr 09 00:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:07:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">everyone knows us as spins though....</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:07:02" class="time">Apr 09 00:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:07:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> mether, it does sound a little like it's only non-fedora derivatives, and not genuine fedora spins (and other spins)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:07:34" class="time">Apr 09 00:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:07:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a"> fedora-derivatives makes me think we are some sort of Financial Trading Group</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:07:43" class="time">Apr 09 00:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:07:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> how about spins-list@</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:07:43" class="time">Apr 09 00:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:08:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">kanarip: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:08:04" class="time">Apr 09 00:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:08:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> well go ahead with whatever makes sense as long as we can help derivatives too</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:08:11" class="time">Apr 09 00:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:08:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> mether, +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:08:18" class="time">Apr 09 00:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">i see no issues with helping derivatives as well</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:09:18" class="time">Apr 09 00:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:09:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> so even if people end up doing what would never pass muster officially, it is still useful to allow that kind of experimentation</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:09:20" class="time">Apr 09 00:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> allow and even encourage</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:09:30" class="time">Apr 09 00:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:09:36" class="time">Apr 09 00:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> so, we have enough to do from this one hour meeting</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:09:52" class="time">Apr 09 00:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> does the agenda page load for anyone</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:10:02" class="time">Apr 09 00:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:10:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> what say you, we meet next week?</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:10:02" class="time">Apr 09 00:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:10:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> yes, i'm editing it</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:10:08" class="time">Apr 09 00:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:10:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">mether</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"> sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:10:10" class="time">Apr 09 00:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:10:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">sounds good.</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:10:21" class="time">Apr 09 00:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:10:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> meeting minutes will be sent around, as well as the log</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:10:35" class="time">Apr 09 00:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="tApr 09 00:10:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">kanarip</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"> meeting adjourned ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#tApr 09 00:10:41" class="time">Apr 09 00:10</a></td></tr> </table> <div class="generatedby"> <p>Generated by irclog2html.py 2.6 by <a href="mailto:marius@pov.lt">Marius 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