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| zodbot | Meeting started Fri Jul 17 17:00:24 2009 UTC. The chair is ricky. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 17:00 |
| ricky | #topic Fedora Websites Meeting - Who's here? | 17:00 |
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| * ricky | 17:00 | |
| * sijis is here | 17:01 | |
| ricky | I get the feeling that this will be a short one :-) | 17:01 |
| * nb | 17:01 | |
| nb | hiemanshu, ping? | 17:01 |
| sijis | aren't they typically short? | 17:01 |
| ricky | mizmo, ianweller, nb, hiemanshu, onekopaka_away, anybody I missed: ping | 17:01 |
| ricky | sijis: They tend to be either really short (<15 minutes) or really long (>1 hour) | 17:01 |
| ricky | There hasn't been much in between | 17:02 |
| * hiemanshu is here now | 17:02 | |
| ianweller | hi | 17:02 |
| ricky | Cool, some more people, let's move on: | 17:03 |
| ricky | #topic Fedora Websites Meeting - Tasks | 17:03 |
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| ricky | OK, so any update on any of the tasks from previous weeks? | 17:03 |
| nb | blogs is stalled pending FAS integration | 17:03 |
| hiemanshu | Nope not really | 17:03 |
| nb | hiemanshu, is going to look at it today i think? | 17:03 |
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| ricky | sijis: Thanks for the websites fixes by the way, I committed them to puppet earlier so it should be live now | 17:03 |
| sijis | ricky: oh cool. :) | 17:04 |
| ricky | nb: What part is stalling it? What work needs to be done to unstall it? :-) | 17:04 |
| nb | ricky, getting the plugin to check the passwords | 17:04 |
| nb | it right now just checkes for a valid username | 17:04 |
| ricky | So if anybody has IE6, please test torrents.fedoraproject.org and fedorapeople.org | 17:04 |
| nb | it looks like it is checking password, but in practice does not work | 17:04 |
| ricky | nb: Has anybody gotten a chance to try debugging the issue on a publictest machine? | 17:05 |
| nb | ricky, not sure, all i know that has been done is that nigel looked at it that night | 17:05 |
| nb | and didnt figure anything out, i dont know that anyone has done much since then | 17:05 |
| * ricky remembers a few people being interested in doing the FAS auth testing | 17:05 | |
| sijis | i can assist with the password checking, if you need another set of eyes. | 17:05 |
| nb | .fasinfo sijis | 17:05 |
| zodbot | nb: User: sijis, Name: Sijis Aviles, email: sijis.aviles@gmail.com, Creation: 2009-05-24, IRC Nick: sijis, Timezone: US/Central, Locale: en, Extension: 5130830, GPG key ID: , Status: active | 17:05 |
| zodbot | nb: Approved Groups: cla_done sysadmin cla_fedora | 17:05 |
| zodbot | nb: Unapproved Groups: None | 17:05 |
| nb | sijis, i can send you the plugin or if ricky will sponsor you to -test you can access it there | 17:06 |
| ricky | sijis: It looks like we have none now, so definitely - go ahead and apply to sysadmin-test if you want to take a look | 17:06 |
| ricky | nb can probably walk you through the current setup | 17:06 |
| sijis | okay. i'll apply shortly. | 17:06 |
| nb | wheres the test fas? pt3? | 17:06 |
| ricky | YUp | 17:06 |
| nb | i need to change the fasauth plugin to use that | 17:06 |
| nb | so we aren't using production info | 17:07 |
| ricky | Yeah, that needs to be done ASAP | 17:07 |
| ricky | OK, anything else on blogs.fp.o? | 17:07 |
| nb | ricky, not really, otherwise i think we are ready to deploy | 17:07 |
| sijis | i know the wiki has a module for the fas authentication. i took a look at that a while back to have an idea how it worked. | 17:07 |
| ricky | I did also send an email to somebody at Red Hat that might have experience with wordpress mu auth. I haven't gotten any response on that yet. | 17:07 |
| ricky | sijis: That's supposedly what the current one is based on, but it looks like it's just not working. | 17:08 |
| nb | need to get a database created and get the database imported into there, or create a new one, import would be best because theres some annoying settings | 17:08 |
| ricky | So what *does* the current pugin do yet? | 17:08 |
| ricky | nb: we can import, sure. | 17:08 |
| ricky | Does it check that the username is in CLA + 1 non-CLA group? | 17:08 |
| nb | ricky, it checks to see that the username that is provided is a member of cla_done and i think one other group | 17:08 |
| nb | i know cla_done | 17:08 |
| ricky | OK. | 17:09 |
| nb | and then it adds them a wpmu account to use | 17:09 |
| ricky | Make sure the other group is non-CLA (it can't start with 'cla_') | 17:09 |
| nb | they can then go to signup after they are logged in | 17:09 |
| ricky | That's one point where it's different from the wiki. | 17:09 |
| nb | if they want a blog | 17:09 |
| hiemanshu | ricky, it checks if that person has an fp.o email ID | 17:09 |
| ricky | How does it check that? | 17:09 |
| hiemanshu | and uses that email ID for verification | 17:09 |
| ricky | I'd rather not even make an entry in the db without the proper FAS credentials, but if that's not feasible, then that's fine too. | 17:10 |
| ricky | OK | 17:10 |
| nb | hiemanshu, it checks if they have a fas account | 17:10 |
| nb | and if they are a member of cla_done | 17:10 |
| ricky | One other action that I remember mentioning is spam | 17:10 |
| nb | and i think one other non-cla | 17:10 |
| hiemanshu | ricky, what it does now is check if an ID exists, if that exists it send an email to <name>@fp.o | 17:10 |
| ricky | It'd be good if somebody could ask the GNOME folks about if they've had a spam problem or anything like that. | 17:10 |
| nb | ricky, we can disable non-logged in comments if we need | 17:11 |
| ricky | hiemanshu: Can it check if an ID exists+has CLA+1 non-CLA group, *then* send the email? | 17:11 |
| ricky | nb: That would cut the value of the service a good bit though :-( | 17:11 |
| nb | true | 17:11 |
| ricky | It'd probably stop me from using it, even. | 17:11 |
| hiemanshu | ricky, they will get an email only if they are member of it one non CLA group as well | 17:11 |
| * nb not sure if it actually cares about sending an email with the plugin | 17:11 | |
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| nb | hiemanshu, ? | 17:11 |
| sijis | can someone give me an examples of a non-cla group? | 17:11 |
| nb | sijis, anything that doesnt start with cla_* | 17:12 |
| ricky | sijis: sysadmin-test is one :-) | 17:12 |
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| hiemanshu | to get an fp.o email ID you need to have one cla_done and one non CLA group | 17:12 |
| nb | i.e. not cla_done, cla_fedora, cla_redhat | 17:12 |
| nb | hiemanshu, i know | 17:12 |
| nb | but it checks that directly, i didnt think it actually sent an email with the plugin | 17:12 |
| hiemanshu | nb, so that solves what we need | 17:12 |
| ricky | OK, so sijis is in sysadmin-test now to work on the auth plugin now | 17:12 |
| sijis | btw, i just applied to the group | 17:12 |
| ricky | sijis: We can talk with nb after the meeting to get you setup and working on it if you have some time | 17:12 |
| nb | sijis, /usr/share/wordpress-mu/wp-content/mu-plugins/fasauth.php should be it | 17:13 |
| nb | and it lives at http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp | 17:13 |
| sijis | ok, after meeting should be ok. | 17:13 |
| nb | yeah, i'll stop taking up meeting time :) | 17:13 |
| ricky | nb: I forget, are we packaging that or including that file with puppet? | 17:13 |
| ricky | And that file is 100% clean WRT licenses, right? | 17:13 |
| nb | ricky, neither ATM | 17:13 |
| nb | ricky, yeah | 17:13 |
| nb | ricky, probably puppet, although i could package it | 17:14 |
| nb | ricky, your preference? | 17:14 |
| ricky | OK, if it's going to be a package, then it wouldn't hurt to have the spec ready | 17:14 |
| ricky | That's if it'd be generally useful | 17:14 |
| ricky | Our wiki auth is currently not a package, for what that's worth | 17:14 |
| * nb doesnt think it would since it is specific to fedora? | 17:14 | |
| ricky | But I have no preference, whatever you think | 17:14 |
| nb | ricky, basically s/wordpress-mu-plugin-defaults/wordpress-mu-plugin-fasauth/ | 17:14 |
| nb | would work i think | 17:14 |
| nb | and change %files | 17:14 |
| * nb isnt too worried about a spec | 17:14 | |
| ricky | Hehe, yeah, it'd be easy to do either. | 17:15 |
| hiemanshu | I think puppet is better though | 17:15 |
| ricky | OK, so I guess that's all for blog.fp.o today. | 17:15 |
| ricky | sijis can hopefully work on getting the plugin working, then we can do some testing with auth to see that it works everywhere it needs to | 17:15 |
| nb | yeah | 17:16 |
| sijis | about packing.. if fas is a package and so is wpmu, why not package the auth-pluin? | 17:16 |
| ricky | Oh, the one other thing - anybody interested in talking to GNOME folks about their blogs setup? | 17:16 |
| ricky | I'm specifically interested in the issue of spam :-/ | 17:16 |
| nb | sijis, im not opposed, id do it if that is the consensus | 17:16 |
| nb | sijis, fwiw, it would be easier to update if it was not | 17:16 |
| nb | but i dont see us needing to change it | 17:16 |
| ricky | sijis it's a good question, I don't think we have a policy on what should be packaged vs. not at the moment | 17:16 |
| sijis | nb agreed. playing devil's advocate really. | 17:16 |
| nb | yeah | 17:16 |
| ricky | I personally prefer packages whenever possible, because development should not be taking place in our puppet repo | 17:17 |
| ricky | And having separate copies in the fedora-infrastructure.git repo and puppet just feels wrong (and allows them to get out of sync)_ | 17:17 |
| sijis | we could also 'reproduce' the environment if it was packaged easier. | 17:17 |
| nb | true | 17:17 |
| ricky | That'd be the case if it were in puppet too, but the points above still apply | 17:17 |
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| * hiemanshu is sorry about not being here completely | 17:18 | |
| sijis | understood. | 17:18 |
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| ricky | I just pinged otaylor on #fedora-admin | 17:18 |
| ricky | He's involved with some GNOME stuff and might be able to direct us to a good contact | 17:19 |
| ricky | Ah, looks like things are iffy there at the moment, the guy that set it up isn't available at the moment | 17:20 |
| sijis | that set what up? | 17:21 |
| ricky | Sorry, the person that setup blogs.gnome.org | 17:21 |
| ricky | Which looks very similar to what we'd like to do with blogs.fp.o | 17:22 |
| ricky | They use wordpress mu as well | 17:22 |
| ricky | OK, so the one other update about tasks in general is that sijis and I have been talking to docs about the possibility of getting some sort of knowledge baes software or something for docs.fp.o | 17:23 |
| ricky | sijis started a thread at https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-July/msg00092.html, and I sent a reply as well | 17:23 |
| ricky | So hopefully this will get considered in the zikula work that they're doing now - the main question for me right now is what belongs on the wiki vs. the knowledge base software? | 17:24 |
| ricky | quaid has posted some thoughtful responses to that, which is great | 17:24 |
| sijis | i think they are leaning towards the wiki | 17:25 |
| ricky | So that'll be a good conversation to keep up with about improving the "getting help" experience for new people | 17:25 |
| ricky | sijis: Yeah, the impression I've gotten so far is that the knowledge base might contain shorter articles or snippets that link to fuller tutorials/howtos on the wiki | 17:25 |
| mizmo | hi im here now (sorry) | 17:25 |
| ricky | Hey hey | 17:25 |
| ricky | We were just talking about some of the latest discussion we've had with the docs team about improving that | 17:26 |
| sijis | ricky: yes, that's correct. however, i my impression was also that the kb stuff would be in the wiki too. | 17:26 |
| ricky | sijis recently posted about what their thoughts on having a knowlege base type thing are, and I replied with some of my thoughts about what the experience is like for for somebody looking for help | 17:27 |
| ricky | sijis: For what it's worth ianweller mentioned to me that there's already a howto category on the wiki | 17:27 |
| ricky | Maybe we can work out some subcategories that it would be nice to have for our docs? | 17:28 |
| sijis | yeah, good idea. | 17:28 |
| ricky | OK, so the next task I see coming out of this is: Ask people in #fedora-ops what kind of docs would be helpful | 17:29 |
| sijis | i can't say that i've used the wiki a whole lot. i've just fixed a few typos/formatting things. | 17:29 |
| ricky | What common mistakes to new Fedora users make that we could write up some best practices for? | 17:29 |
| ricky | sijis: ianweller is our wiki czar, so he's a good resource for any wiki questions you might have | 17:29 |
| sijis | folks in #fedora might have some stuff too. nirik seemed to have run that fig. | 17:30 |
| ricky | Yeah, he's one of the people in #fedora-ops too | 17:30 |
| sijis | oh, okay | 17:30 |
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| sijis | fedora-ops is a group i haven't heard of yet. | 17:30 |
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| ricky | sijis: It's the channel where #fedora operators hang out | 17:31 |
| ricky | Let me just get a quick dump of actions so far here: | 17:31 |
| ricky | #action Get FAS Auth plugin working | 17:31 |
| ricky | #action Talk to GNOME people about their blogs setup (issues with spam?) | 17:31 |
| ricky | #action Talk to people in #fedora/#fedora-ops about what kind of docs could be useful to have | 17:31 |
| ricky | OK, so any other thoughts on docs.fedoraproject.org right now? | 17:32 |
| ricky | OK, so the last task update I have is get.fedoraproject.org feedback | 17:33 |
| ricky | mizmo: Mark has been wondering how to move forward with that last round of websites feedback - any ideas? | 17:34 |
| * ricky remembers that mizmo might have been working on some mockups incorporating some of that | 17:34 | |
| mizmo | ricky: yeh i still have the get.fpo one in progress, since fudcon berlin ive been working on a backlog of stuff from that week :( | 17:35 |
| mizmo | ricky: ill upload it to the wiki and post the link | 17:35 |
| ricky | No worries, no rush at all | 17:35 |
| ricky | Thanks a lot | 17:36 |
| mizmo | the feedback is good, the next steps are in my court | 17:36 |
| mizmo | to apply to the mocks | 17:36 |
| ricky | Awesome, we look forward to seeing what you come up with :-) | 17:36 |
| sijis | wasn't some feedback also provided for fp.o? | 17:36 |
| ricky | Yeah | 17:36 |
| ricky | I'm not sure if mizmo intends on working both at the same time or looking at one set of things first | 17:37 |
| nb | sijis, actually the group is irc-support-operators or something | 17:37 |
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| sijis | so two feedbacks went out.. fp.o and get.fp.o? | 17:37 |
| mizmo | i want to get get.fpo solid first | 17:37 |
| ricky | Sounds good, that fits with the priorities we had discussed | 17:37 |
| mizmo | i think www.fpo is a bigger kettle of fish :) we'll need involvement from other teams like marketing on that one | 17:37 |
| ricky | sijis: I think they're all in the same email thread | 17:37 |
| ricky | mizmo: Ohh, good point, I remember Jack pinging me about some last minute fp.o changes that I couldn't make for the F11 release | 17:38 |
| ricky | So communication there is definitely key | 17:38 |
| mizmo | yeh | 17:38 |
| ricky | OK, so that's all I've got | 17:39 |
| ricky | #topic Fedora Websites Meeting - Open Floor | 17:39 |
| sijis | mizmo: so are you the design/mockups guru? | 17:39 |
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| mizmo | sijis: i dont know if id call myself a guru but :) mockups are primarily what i do | 17:39 |
| mizmo | :) | 17:39 |
| sijis | ok. | 17:40 |
| * ricky wishes we could get a some clones of mizmo - it'd do us wonders :-) | 17:40 | |
| ricky | OK, so anything else anybody else wants to discuss? | 17:41 |
| ricky | Or any new people that have introduced themselves on list want to say hi? :-) | 17:41 |
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| sijis | hi, I'm Sijis. i live in Chicago, USA. my $job is a sysadmin. i enjoy walks in the park. | 17:42 |
| ricky | Welcome, sijis! | 17:42 |
| ricky | And thanks for tracking down that (ugh) IE6 stupidity | 17:42 |
| sijis | i truly enjoy working on websites. that's how i got into 'computers'. | 17:42 |
| ricky | #action Confirm that IE6 issues are fixed on torrents.fedoraproject.org & fedorapeople.org | 17:43 |
| ricky | Cool | 17:43 |
| ricky | sijis: Are you good with PHP? That's what the FAS auth plugin stuff will mostly be | 17:43 |
| sijis | yup. i'm decent in it. | 17:44 |
| ricky | Awesome, we'll get you setup with the auth plugin soon then, thanks | 17:44 |
| ricky | Anything else before we close up? | 17:44 |
| nb | no | 17:46 |
| nb | i dont think so | 17:46 |
| ricky | All right then | 17:46 |
| ricky | #endmeeting | 17:46 |
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| zodbot | Meeting ended Fri Jul 17 17:46:45 2009 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . | 17:46 |
| zodbot | Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-websites/2009-07-17/fedora-websites.2009-07-17-17.00.html | 17:46 |
| zodbot | Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-websites/2009-07-17/fedora-websites.2009-07-17-17.00.txt | 17:46 |
| zodbot | Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-websites/2009-07-17/fedora-websites.2009-07-17-17.00.log.html | 17:46 |
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